Forum:Halo 4 armor opinions
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For Halo 4 we have many choices for our SPARTAN-IV armor customization. Here are my opinions on what's available so far. Be reminded, this is just for kicks and I am in no way bashing the game or its features. You have any opinions, feel free to leave them under mines.
Air Assault
I'll add a pic of the helmet when it becomes available.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 16:43, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
- Pretty much the same as it was in Reach. Not bad looking though.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 09:05, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
Aviator
Looks similar to the Grenadier variant.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 07:25, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I see a little bit of resemblance to Grenadier, but I think it really looks like a beefier version of the Recruit helmet. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- This definitely reminds me of the armour in Crysis, or a mix of the nano-suit and Grenadier. --TentacleTornado 15:01, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Interesting. It says in the description that this armor is recommended for those who pilot Broadsword A/X's. A longsword replacement? Missing Mandible 10:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
- This definitely reminds me of the armour in Crysis, or a mix of the nano-suit and Grenadier. --TentacleTornado 15:01, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
CIO
Kind of reminds me of the alien robot from "The Iron Giant". It looks okay for the most part.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- It definitely reminds me of the Iron Giant, its not the best armour, but its not that bad either. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- The way the GUNGNIR-style camera eyes are oriented reminds me of the Pfhor from the original Marathon. In Marathon 2 and Infinity, the Pfhor's eyes were inverted so the bottom eye wouldn't look like a clown nose; because of this change, they went from looking somewhat comical to looking like they had Predator plasma casters aimed at their faces at all times. The similarity is coincidental, of course, given that Marathon is Bungie's property. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Commando
Looks good. Unfortunately that's just from a side view. He didn't turn his head back to the front in time for a front shot.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 13:06, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
- Aww.. Another thats been changed to death... It was good in Reach, but it looks kinda bad to me.. --TentacleTornado 16:19, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
Deadeye
Looks okay. Don't understand the middle "deadeye" visor piece but its probably for aesthetics.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Its alright. Kinda similar to Rogue, It will probably be its replacement since the Rogue is already taken. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- Meh. It isn't bad, but it certainly doesn't grab my attention. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Defender
Despite vaguely resembling the JFO helmet - one of my favorites - this one is hideous. However, I really like its backstory. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Does resemble the JFO helmet but also in my opinion, the War Master helmet as well, kinda has similar elements including the shape of the visor. I can't see its back story, the image is a lil blurry.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Enforcer
This one looks like a bulkier version of the B5D Operator helmet. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Engineer
Helmet looks weird and a lil ugly. Must have some new technology for the visor or a hidden camera somewhere, otherwise you wouldn't be able to see out of it.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- The armours nice, but the helmet is weird... I don't really see how someone could see through that, unless they had some sort of sophisticated HUD system. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I certainly looks functional, but I'm afraid it looks more like a welding helmet than a MJOLNIR variant. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
EOD
From an aesthetic perspective, I don't like the sleeker contours and separate eyepieces of this version; it certainly looks inferior to the Mark V variant and even the Mark VI. Practically speaking, however, these design elements make sense given the helmet's function. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I admit, I like the Mark V more but this one is okay.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- It does look more practical than the past versions, but , again, I preferred the Mark V. --TentacleTornado 15:01, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Personally, I had been a long time fan of EOD, used it all the time.
Though the Mark V is my favorite version, to me this is just sad, it just looks like some tired guy.
Not gonna plan on using this in Halo 4 unless it is re-edited, hopefully.GMASTER 09:48, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
- Personally, I had been a long time fan of EOD, used it all the time.
- It does look more practical than the past versions, but , again, I preferred the Mark V. --TentacleTornado 15:01, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
EVA
This is probably my favorite iteration of the EVA helmet. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Definitely looks slightly different from the other EVA's, given the curved nature of the visor towards the mouthpiece.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Quite similar to the Pilot armor in Reach. Since I like that one, this one also grabs my attention. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 11:40, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
- Did they really had to change it? It was already perfect :( --ShadowDancer |contribs| 07:13, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
- Its a shame, isn't it? --TentacleTornado 12:22, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
- I don't really like EVA all that much. I feel it makes you an easy target for snipers.--Spartacus, Halopedia Administrator Talk 14:33, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
- Its a shame, isn't it? --TentacleTornado 12:22, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
FOTUS
The helmet looks similar to the Promethean Knights. Don't understand the large spike on top; just seems like an armor for asethetic purposes. Pretty much makes you look like a knight.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
This armor reminds me of the Hayabusa instead. It looks cool but impractical. Is the spike for head-butting enemies? That would be quite useful. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- Reminds me of Megatron.. Like the Promethean knights do. What purpose could that spike possibly serve? Headbutting? An advanced aerial? --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I like the notion that this suit is reverse-engineered from Forerunner tech, probably Promethean Knights. However, the spike on top is simply annoying. It's like 343 Industries decided to mar the quality of an otherwise awesome helmet for the sake of continuing their running unicorn gag. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I just found out that this armor isn't canon; here's a Ducain23 video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrciso63AmY&feature=g-all-u
- Manufacturer: 343 Industries
- Info: Tested in the rough and tumble streets of downtown Kirkland, Washington. Missing Mandible 09:58, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
- Yes, it most likely is canon. Why would they put armor in the game if it isn't canon? It makes no sense. Furthermore, the article itself states that the description for FOTUS is definitely a pun and should not be taken seriously.--Spartacus, Halopedia Administrator Talk 13:57, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
GUNGNIR
Looks similar to the one from Reach.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- I hope it stays like the one in Reach, its nice to have another helmet that looks similar to its previous iteration. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I like how this one isn't as boxy as the Mark V version. It isn't as bland as the original. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
I like the Pulse variant. Bioniclepluslotr 23:04, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
HAZOP
Kinda fits its name better than the previous iteration.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Oh, dear. I liked the one in Reach, although this helmet looks like it more suits its original purpose. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- Like Tentacletornado said, the GEN2 version of the HAZOP helmet looks better suited to its role than the Mark V version. This one is appropriately reminiscent of a gas mask. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Infiltrator
The helmet just looks menacing and screams ugly...or scary. Fits the name.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- I'm not sure if I like this or not. I would prefer it if it had a real visor. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- As seen in the PAX Prime video, this one has too many lights around the "jaw" to seem like a proper stealth helmet. It's too round, as well. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
So, the function of this one is to help you infiltrate into the enemy territory and scare the hell out of your enemies? If not, why does it look like that? xD?--ShadowDancer |contribs| 14:52, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
Locus
Another armor that looks menacing. Also looks similar to the GUNGNIR helmet, with no visor. Kinda looks like a human skull.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one is pretty scary, it must be the replacement for EVA[C]. This is one I'll be avoiding. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I bet this helmet is great at demoralizing Innies. The skull theme reminds me of Emile's helmet. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Mark VI
Simply a classic. However its gotten old to me. I rather have the upgraded variant.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 09:05, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
- Again, like with Commando, the changes made seem to have made it worse rather than better. This is really unfortunate, it was always one of the best-looking helmets in the game. Too many changes for my liking. Also, have you guys seen the body armour? It has the caption of Mk VI, but looks only vaguely like it. More like a cameo than a canon version. Anyway, John's upgraded Mk VI looks a hell of a lot better than this pseudo-Mk VI --TentacleTornado 16:19, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
- Out of curiosity, do u think Master Chief's armor in the campaign will be the Mark VI in multiplayer or not? User:Yoonhyuk-740
Oceanic
The helmet reminds me of the "Big daddy's" helmets from Bioshock.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Another one I'll be avoiding. The helmet fits the name, it reminds me of the old diver helmets. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- It really looks like an old school diving helmet, so the name is appropriate. The huge faceplate makes sense, given that it's designed for underwater operations. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Orbital
Pretty much the EVA armor except with different aesthetic features to the visor.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one is reminiscent of the Mark V EVA helmet. I like how the AEON skin is a tribute to Emile, showing that NOBLE Team's legacy extends to more than just a statue. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
The AEON looks like someone stuck a skull sticker on the guy's forehead. Not a fan. Bioniclepluslotr 23:06, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
Operator
Kinda looks similar to the commando armor from Reach. Looks alright; I'd rock it.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- I liked Operator in Reach, but this is completely different. Not for me I'm afraid. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Pathfinder
The helmet looks somewhat similar to the deadspace helmet. Also the boots look a lil funny to me.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- This is nice. If only it had a real visor. This is one I could see myself wearing. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I like this helmet's design and canonical function. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I'm surprised that no one has said anything about how it looks like the Cylons in the original Battlestar Galactica.Missing Mandible 20:40, 4 September 2012 (EDT)
- I like this helmet's design and canonical function. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Pioneer
The helmet looks Forerunner-ish, almost like the UNSC got its design from Forerunner elements. Just looks weird.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Oh, dear God. I can't really see anyone wearing this. Maybe its the purple, but this looks like a joint UNSC-Covenant effort (I'd usually be happy about this, but this is just ugly). --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- At least this one looks functional. The fact that it was used by the first teams to land on Installation 03 increases its appeal for me. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Protector
I'll add a pic of the helmet when it becomes available.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 16:43, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
- Not sure what to make of it. I'm not even sure if I like it or not.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 13:06, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
Raider
I'll add a pic of the helmet when it becomes available.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 16:43, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
- One word...Ugly. Kinda looks like it has ears. I need a pic of it without the armor skin so I can get a better look of it.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 16:37, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
Ranger
I'll add a pic of the helmet when it becomes available.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 16:43, 8 September 2012 (EDT)
- Looks strikingly similar to the EOD variant. Basically a copy with a similar purpose. Nonetheless it looks straight.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 13:06, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
Recon
Unchanged from Halo 3 or Reach, for the most part. Another favorite choice of mines.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- I'm very happy that this has remained unchanged. This was always the best looking helmet. I'd be overjoyed to wear this. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- My favorite Recon variant is the Mark V. This one is too similar to the Mark VI for my taste. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Agreed, I actually have that helmet equipped with my Spartan character in Halo: Reach.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I like the blend of the Mk V and VI in this recon, I haven't stopped wearing recon since I pre-ordered Halo: Reach. You can never have too much recon! --TentacleTornado 15:01, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- No. I've had a proper look at it here. Definitely a step down from both Reach and 3 in my opinion. --TentacleTornado 17:43, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
- Agreed, I actually have that helmet equipped with my Spartan character in Halo: Reach.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- My favorite Recon variant is the Mark V. This one is too similar to the Mark VI for my taste. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Recruit
Overall, my favorite armor to date. To me, it seems the most relevant to Mjolnir armor and maintains that classic "Spartan" look.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
This armor reminds me of marine pilot helmet you see in Halo 3. It's more traditional for the Spartan armor. I would choose to have this one as my Spartan's armor. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
I will most probably wear this, probably because it is the one of the most like Mk VI armour we've seen. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I like the "classic" design. At least some of the SPARTAN-IVs in the campaign will wear this helmet, which is cool. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- It reminds me of the Mark IV in the Halo Wars reveal trailer, especially in the top section. I always liked that helmet, and wished they hadn't just gone with a safer but more generic Mark V-esque version. -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 21:03, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- Speaking of GEN1 series... Found this gem when I was redditing. Looks like Rooster Teeth won't have problem with RVB then. :P —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 22:12, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Interesting, good thing I pre-ordered the Limited edition, incidentally. This is my favorite armor, and just as said before, it does keep that "classic feel". Maybe I'll just keep it white, or just change it to Black, IDK.--GMASTER 10:06, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
- Looks like we no longer have to pre-order the LE to get it- just the skin for it. Someone goofed.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:08, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
Rogue
Nice, straightforward armor to rock. Adds a twist to the large visor by making it square instead of rounded. Although I think it would make head shots easier.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
This armor is like the Pilot armor from Reach, but angular. Probably my second favorite. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
Very similar to Pilot, not for me really. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- At first I assumed that this was an all-new helmet with the same name as the Vestol Corporation's model. However, its armory description states that it is the same helmet, albeit drastically redesigned. It looks like a more intimidating EVA or Orbital helmet to me. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
They should have given it a different name, since it doesn't resemble the original Rogue in any way. Bioniclepluslotr 23:08, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
Scanner
Screams Star Wars to me...Makes it kinda hard to peak around corners.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- I don't mind this one. I could see myself wearing it. Although it does just look like someone just strapped binoculars to someones helmet. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- It looks like a Spartan glued a CD-ROM drive to his helmet. I hope this one never made it past the concept art phase. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
The upper part seems to weight more than UNSC Forward unto dawn and Johnson's cigars together. Those who wear the helmet must have really strong necks :P --ShadowDancer |contribs| 15:29, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
Scout
Nothing much to say about it other than it hasn't changed much from Halo 3.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Scout is my favorite helmet in Halo 3, but the one in Halo: Reach is (sorry Jun) hideous. This one resembles the one from Halo 3, but is still not pretty in my opinion. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I like all the ones that appear from previous games, and this is no exception. I've always liked scout, even its Reach iteration, and it is one I will probably wear. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- I definitely prefer the Mark V version, which has a nice combination of design elements from Halo 3's Recon and Scout helmets. This one is identical to the Mark VI, which also looks really good, just not as good. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Soldier
Helmet is kinda ugly, in a menacing sort of way.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Another I will avoid. It would probably look better with a larger visor, but that's just my opinion. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one looks menacing and practical. From what I understand, this is actually a starter helmet. I'll play my first few War Games sessions and Spartan Ops missions with Recruit, (which makes sense canonically), but I'll definitely use this one after leveling up a few ranks. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Stalker
Just plain ugly to me.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- The fact that this helmet is a ripoff of Brute Stalker tech is pretty cool. The helmet's background really shows in its design. From a head-on view it reminds me of a cobra with its hood flared. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I actually thought it was a descendant of the basic Mark V helmet that the Chief used to wear - the flares over the visor gave me that impression. It doesn't help that it's entirely green, not allowing us to see much detail. -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 21:06, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Strider
Don't understand the purpose of this helmet. Kinda looks like the pilot helmet.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- This is pretty ugly. Just looks like an elongated EVA. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one seems redundant given that EVA, Orbital, and even the redesigned Rogue are already in the game. Like Scanner, I haven't seen proof that this one ever made it past the concept phase. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Tracker
Definitely fits its description. Seems like the "scanners" on the front of the helmet are blocking the visor.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Looks like Air Assault with 3 LED lights attached to me, it will probably grow on me though. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- Practicality: good. Aesthetics: bad. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Vanguard
Vanguard looks good, but it doesn't stay in the frame long enough to get a clear look. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- It doesn't stay on frame long enough because the "rushing" dude didn't bother to let the Spartan look back towards the front. We need Halopedians at these events (1 recording the video, 1 playing the game) so that we can get better footage. But then again, he may not have had time, since I believe the games are started whether a player is ready or not (considering the length of the lines).--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Venator
Pretty much will make you look like a power ranger. The helmet looks similar to the ones from deadspace. Being that this is concept art, I assume it'll look different from the release.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- The helmet is very similar to the one on Dead Space, although I may use the body armour. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one looks awesome and is not-to-subtly taken from Dead Space. It would be really cool if the armory description mentioned "action against the Flood on Gamma Halo" or something of the like, which would make the shout out that much better. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
War Master
It's a canonical version of the Haunted helmet. What's not to like? --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- I didn't notice that! It does have the Haunted look embedded in it's design.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 12:43, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
Warrior
The mouth covering looks similar to Optimus Prime's. Nonetheless, this is my all-time second favorite armor.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- When the first images came out of multiplayer, this armour got me worrying. Its not the best armour here in my opinion. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- Since this is the default S-IV helmet, I'll wear it at some point. I like the functional design, but it isn't the best-looking MJOLNIR helmet. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)
- It's been confirmed somewhere that it's not default. Bioniclepluslotr 23:11, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
- The Recruit armor, unfortunately, is only for players who purchased limited edition. But if this is the default, I'm somewhat disappointed. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 09:24, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
- My theory: The Recruit is default "canon-wise", while the Warrior is default "gameplay-wise".
I wonder if its possible to transfer/copy the Recruit armor (or any other exclusive armor/skins) to another gamertag without that person having purchased the LE...--Killamint [Comm|Files] 10:38, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
- My theory: The Recruit is default "canon-wise", while the Warrior is default "gameplay-wise".
Correction, the Recruit armor is available in-game without having to purchase the LE. I just re-read the bulletin & latest bulletin and someone got it confused. Its the skin for the Recruit armor that's exclusive, NOT the armor set!--Killamint [Comm|Files] 09:01, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
- And the fans rejoiced. —S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 10:41, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
Wetwork
The visor running down the center of the helmet is just plain weird. Definitely not your normal looking armor. Obviously, its for aesthetics.--Killamint [Comm|Files] 20:30, 28 August 2012 (EDT)
- Why does this remind me of Gundam? Its pretty weird if you ask me. --TentacleTornado 11:09, 29 August 2012 (EDT)
- This one looks nice. The sleek yet angular lines remind me of a praying mantis. --Courage never dies. 10:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT)