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Covenant Species Weights

I know there isn't much room in Wikis for jokes, but here's just one to start off a long analysis. Please don't ban me. Cracked.com ran an article called 5 Things We're Making Fatter in Addition to Ourselves. And I've noticed a somewhat similar trend over the Covenant species articles with their weights. They've almost all gone up, to somewhat ridiculous levels, with the exception of Elites, who have lost about 200 lbs. and Prophets, who've stayed the same.

I don't have precise figures to quote, but from memory here is a comparison of the original species weight to the current one:

Grunts: 118 kg/260 lbs (current) vs. 110 lbs (original)

Jackals: 88 kg/195 lbs (current) vs. ~150 lbs (original)

Drones: 130 kg/280 lbs (current) vs. ~130 lbs (original)

Brutes: 680 kg/1500 lbs (current) vs. 1100 lbs (original)

Just looking at these, the Grunt and Drone figures seem ridiculous. How does a Grunt, a much shorter and smaller creature than a human, weigh in so much heavier? And the Drone would be in the obese category in human classification, yet not only is it a pretty trim-looking creature, it's a flying one.

The Jackal and Brute aren't as egregious as this, but they're still somewhat implausible figures. The Jackal is supposed to have hollow bones and it looks pretty skinny, but it's probably the most acceptable figure out of these four. Before the Elite's weight was changed from around 500 to its present of around 320 lbs, the Brute weighed 1,100. So it weighed a little more than twice as much as an Elite. Plausible. Now with the new figures, the Brute weighs 5 times as much as an Elite. Which makes little sense to me.

The source of these figures seems to be the Halo Encyclopedia, and I think the standard is to use the newest material as the main source in case of conflicts. But we've all read through/contributed to the rants about how riddled with errors the Encyclopedia is, and I think I can see the source of the error in some of these cases.

The've mixed up kilograms with pounds.

It makes very strong sense for the Grunt and the Drone especially, because those kilogram figures are almost the same as the old pound figures. The Jackal would be a little bit on the anorexic side if it were only 88 pounds, so in that case the 195 lb. figure should probably be more correct. The Brute was always a heavyweight, but consider, if it were 680 pounds it would weigh a little more than twice as much as the old Elite did, the same that it used to be when the Elite was 500.

My proposal is to change the weights of the Grunt, Drone, and possibly the Brute so that it's the same number in pounds that it is now in kilograms. If it's unacceptable to consider correcting typos/errors in the Halo Encyclopedia like that, then my proposal is to find the more accurate-sounding numbers in the old sources, and replace the current ones with those. Flayer92 01:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

The Unggoy are 5 foot 6 inches. The Yanme'e are 5 foot 10 inches and the Kig-yar are 6 foot 8 inches. Just wanted to let you know in case you didn't notice yet. ;) -- Ultra Force 17:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

As for the weight issue, I think that there weight should be based on their size, and hight. This is my opinion. Don't quote me. For grunts, which are about 4 to 5 feet tall, and are squat, like a frog, I think that they weigh approximately 150 to 250 lbs. Jackals, whitch are about 5 to 6 feet tall, about as tall as an average human, and are bird like, with hollow bones, should weigh about the same as grunts. Drones, which are about the size of grunts, would weigh about 350 to 450 lbs. This is because of the drones bulky exo-skeloton. As for them flying, their home planet has a higher gravity than Earth's. There for, it makes sense that they would be able to fly better on a lower gravity planet, like Earth or Reach. As for Elites, the covenents main fighting force, with a height of about 8 feet, and being very lean and muscular, weigh approximately 500 to 600 lbs. Coupled with thier body armor, about 600 to 700 lbs. Brutes, which are about a foot taller than Elites, weigh about 800 to 1000 lbs. This is becaus they live on a planet that has twice the gravity of earth, and are similar to gorillas. As for Hunters, witch are about 12 feet tall standing up, I think that a good portion of their weight is in their armor. With their armor, I think that they weigh about 1500 lbs, give of take. Remember, this is just my opinion. If you have any comments just post.Siphon117 22:09, 17 December 2010 (EST)

Source formatting

I suggest we change formatting of sources for books and games because I think it looks a bit more precise. And here are my suggestions for my proposal:

1. Books: [[Name of book]] - Any sub-titles, page Page number ("Quote (optional)"), or if you want to link right to the book: [[Name of book]] ("Quote (optional)")
2. Games: [[Name of game]] - [[Name of level/Name of level (level)#Any sub-title|Name of level, Any sub-title]] ("Quote (optional)"), or if you want to link right to the game: [[Name of game]] ("Quote (optional)")

And as an example: If you want to source a quote from page of Halo Encyclopedia as an example:

And for something like a section from a level in Halo 3:

And other ways.--SPARTAN-125 Cally99117

Wiki Improvement Poll

In counting down the release of Halo: Reach (Sept 14) and experiencing the end of 10 wonderful years of all that is Bungie, what do you think Halopedia should do to celebrate? - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 17:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

We are already a pretty reached-out (no pun intended) wiki and I don't think that would be so different of awesome. The whole halopedians-only matches sound exclusive and unfun as well. My suggestion is below:

Contests. Everything reach themed in any medium. Poetry, photoshopping, screenshots, songs, animation. Anything you could work, and we have enough users to run something like that. 1st 2nd and 3rd for each category. Cairo 'my sig's broken' Cat 07:48, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, we should replace the file of John holding an MA5C with a file of Noble Six. The background should be changed too (the Tsavo Highway background is getting old). And instead of the usual white-and-light-blue colors of this wiki, we should have a more "Reach" feel to it. Such as using darker and gloomy-er colors. Just a suggestion. -- Ultra Force (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits) 20:32, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I mean John is the iconic charator of The halo series. You here Halo and you think of him. Perhaps we can get a new picture of him,and a new background though. --Blahmarrow 22:37, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Do an "all of the above" section, inculding "Making the wiki reach style" and "Hosting PC and XBoxLive for wikians only matches". That would help those of us who lack XBox live. --- Cprl. Echo 1 File:Lewa.jpg High Resolution, Poor Quality 00:52, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think maybe make a Halo:Reach theme but instead of simply replacing the image of MasterChief we make an image of him alongside Noble 6. Alternatively we could make a theme that shows all the Halo games as a homage to the series which would be fitting as this is Bungie's final Halo game--Soul reaper 03:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Just like Soul reaper said, we should update the theme to have a more "Reach" like feel but it shouldn't be total. --Reddy645 20:44, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I like the new darker background, fitting in with Reach's atmosphere. But, since Master Chief is Halo's iconic character, I say, alongside having the Reach Chief (since he's most likely going to make a cameo appearance), we also have like a group picture of all the important characters within the series, including Noble Team as a whole and the ODST squad. The main characters should take center stage though. --k1ll8 saurav 20:31, September 1, 2010

Since we don't know whether Master Chief will appear as a character, I would recommend having the members of Noble Team set to random, as well as Buck - we can't forget our Nathan Fillion love since he's returning for Reach. -- Specops306 ^{Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek} 03:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

A Better Idea is to Get a picture of all of the Famous Halo Characters, and Photoshop them all into one page, with Master Chief standing in front holding his Assault Riffle Over his Shoulder --Killerrin 05:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

If only customising the wiki theme were that simple.... but alas, it is not. Sorry, can't be done. :( - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 05:49, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

These are a few ideas i came up with for a Reach themed wiki logo--Soul reaper 06:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

• Noble6logo.png
• Noble6logo2.png
• Noble6logo3.png
• Noble6logo4.png
• Noble6logo5.png
• Noble6logo6.png
• Noble6logo7.png

• sigh*... the wiki logo cannot be altered. It is there, permanently, until we have another wiki-skin change. As such, it's pointless to propose any changes to the wiki logo.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 06:58, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or is the new theme running a lot slower than the old one? It may be due to the ONI background thing, but I'm not sure. My computer's not exactly top of the line but the old theme ran a lot smoother. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:02, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's expected to run slower, but not a lot slower. All images have been compressed to their smallest possible filesize. Have you tried disabling the ads using AdBlocker (Mozilla)? It would certainly decrease the load-time and make it smoother.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 07:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, "a lot slower" may've been a bit of an overstatement; it's within bearable limits but still noticeable. I am using Adblock though; guess I'll just have to live with it. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:50, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, well then forget a logo change. It can stay the way it is. However, the link colors are annoying me. They don't fit in with Reach's color scheme. If it's possible to change the color of the links, consider yellow/gold. -k1ll8 saurav 21:53, September 2, 2010

Human Colonization

Can anyone find out what was the approxomate number of human colonies before and after the Covenant war?

It's already mentioned in the "population" section of the Human article. -- Specops306 ^{Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek} 06:01, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Messed up Main Page

Is it just me, or is the Main Page looking kinda messed up right now? What happened? --Serithi 09:20, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you're referring to the ridiculously long advert on the right column, then yes, it is messed up. If not, it's looks normal. Perhaps you have a different display problem? Mind if you could provide a screenshot?- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 14:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Something is displacing the right hand column for me, shifting it down a few centimeters. That may be something like what he means. -- Specops306 ^{Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek} 21:26, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Scratch that, it's messed up again. Serithi 06:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

@Serithi; some screenshots would be helpful.

@Specops306; that would be the ridiculously long advert... something which is out of my control...- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 10:56, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sister Site Issue

Sorry if this is not allowed here. One of the sister sites, Halo Machinima Wiki, is lacking moderators, only having 2, and many pages are being vandalized and removed overall. Is this not a matter of this site or can it be dealt with here? I personally think this site should be involved, however that is not my decision. I will remove this section if it is required because I do not know if this section's allowed here. NarutoROCKS189 05:09, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest talking to any active moderators over at Halo Machinima Wiki. If there are none, you can apply to become a moderator. To do so, head here and discuss with Wikia Staff on how to become a moderator.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 05:56, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blogs?

Ok,I dont know if this is just a glitch or what, but every once in a while when I type something into the search box and it is accurately spelled, it takes me to a list of halopedia blog suggestions. Is it just my computer or what?

A glitch most likely. Wikia is updating its internal systems, as announced globally a few days ago, so I think that caused the error. They might go away in a few weeks. - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 10:28, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mediawiki

I think the headlines of the site are lost in the background because the text is black and the background is dark. Maybe consider using white text for the headlines? Bioniclepluslotr 13:34, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's only for this page and that other page. If you try other pages, it should be fine. :P - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 15:38, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Then why not outline the white text in black. It looks really bad for a mainpage, just sayin. File:Radioactivity symbol.png RadiationNeon (CHATTER) 03:50, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

If you mean "outline the black text in white" that might be a good idea, actually. --Dragonclaws^(talk) 05:20, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Nope, like the first post says, white text. But then other pages would be white text. That's why I said black outline.--File:Radioactivity symbol.png RadiationNeon (CHATTER) 06:19, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Which is also useless as the theme comes offline by the end of September. It's just one page (two if you included Main page) affected.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 06:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Monaco problem

There's a problem with Monaco skins across Wikia. For some reason, submenus don't receive the position:absolute setting, so they don't function properly and are near-unusable. Problem affects Firefox 3.6.3 Portable and possibly higher versions as well. Have not tested on other browsers -- can't at this time.

Simple fix that you guys could implement for Halopedia specifically:

#navigation div.sub-menu.widget{position:absolute}

The problem stems from some (useless) CSS meant for browsers with JavaScript turned off; the CSS sets submenus to position:static. It seems to have been intended to make the menus usable with JS off. It has absolutely no useful effect, however, because the submenus don't even exist on the page when JS is off. (As part of Wikia's dreadful menu system, the menus are created dynamically, with their contents retrieved via AJAX.) This CSS, then, has no point; it may be safely overriden without further disadvantaging JS-less browsers.

So you can implement the fix listed above and solve the menu issue for Halopedia specifically, or you can wait for Wikia to fix the problem. Alternatively, if anyone here is friends with a Wikia staffer, you can pass the fix onto them and see what they can do for Wikia as a whole.

By the way, I've been away for a while. Love what you guys've done with the place.  DavidJCobb  22:24, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Added and done. Haven't encountered anyone having the problem so far. Anyway, don't be too happy. A new skin is coming out soon and will replace Monaco. Keep a look out for bugs. :) - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 22:29, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

i think that's bogus

Personally, i think that the covenant soldiers have stayed in shape. in halo 3 they were almost all skinny. and if they do look fat, that is just their large amount of armor.

couldn't agree more,also arbiter had realy thick armor in halo wars,the he was stripped of rank and armor in halo 2 right? after that he fled to humans?or was it before that?(EliteHonorGuard 14:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC))

Halo Wars Arby and Halo:2/Halo:3 Arby are 2 different people/lizards/squids.Halo wars Arby dies at the end of the game and the Halo Trilogy's Arby was a Fleet Admiral in Halo:CE.He only became the Arbiter at the beginning of Halo:2 X Aikou x 01:36, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

What the?

Didn't Halopedia have a Reach theme a few days ago? This is very confusing.Blahmarrow 13:41, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

It was turned off like 20 minutes ago, actually.-- Forerunner 13:47, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's over.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 13:43, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

It was a special theme for the release of Reach. We hadn't changed permanently. --Dragonclaws^(talk) 18:50, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ah alright then. I thought there was a problem with something! Glad I was wrong!Blahmarrow 22:19, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

I actually preferred the Reach theme. Ah well - change comes in leaps and bounds, for better or worse. -- Specops306 ^{Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek} 04:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

"New content" on Reach articles

I think the game has been out long enough that we can start removing this tag on some articles like commendations and medals, where all the information is already there. Yea/nay? KickButtUnggoy 21:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

It depends on the page, use your best judgment. Que Sera, Sera 19:23, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

I agreeBlahmarrow 22:40, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

As long as it's removed once the page in question has been updated with the new content. There's really no point in removing it until then, since it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the template. Sometimes "new content" can get added weeks or even months after a new title has been released. But yeah, if all the available info is there, go right ahead. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:23, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Main Page

The main page looks pretty shabby at the moment. Is it going to be tidied up any time soon? 86.138.197.204 23:41, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

I would think so. Halopedians are hoping for the site to be fully completed by Jan 2011.--Blahmarrow 14:14, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

Ah, that's very good. Just hope this site surpasses the Wikia one. 217.39.87.129 18:08, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

Bold/Overly Black Main Page

I think that the text in the rounded boxes as well as the borders of the boxes are way too black. It makes the main page look rather, unappealing. I would like to see it improved, but I don't want to put a bunch of work into it unless there is a general consensus. So what do you guys think? Matortheeternal 15:09, 12 November 2010 (EST)

I took initiative and lowered the padding on the rounded boxes from 2px to 1px. I would also like to unbold the font, and maybe change it from Century Gothic to Arial. But I'm not going to do this until someone tells me I can. Matortheeternal 15:35, 12 November 2010 (EST)

Added arial and sans serif as alternatives in case the user's computer doesn't support Century Gothic.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 17:06, 12 November 2010 (EST)

Ok, that's a good start, but I think it'd be good if we could unbold the text in the contentboxes. I've tried to find where it tells the text to turn bold in Template:Header and Template:Header/2, but I can't find it. I'll check again. Matortheeternal 17:03, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Yeah I just got totally lost. I don't understand this whole visual id thing. Like, if I want to unbolb the text in the navbar, I just see {{{basestyle|}} and {{{titlestyle|}} and a bunch of other crap. I guess I really don't know enough code. :S But yeah, IMO, that super-bold text is ugleh. But maybe that's just me. Matortheeternal 17:25, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Reach-specific categories

Seeing as the Halo: Reach launch hype has come and gone, I think it would be appropriate we got rid of the Reach-specific categories such as Halo: Reach Species or Halo: Reach Characters. To my understanding, these were created for a Reach pre-launch portal page and serve no useful purpose anymore. We don't have game-specific categories for the other games either, so Reach should be no different in that regard. I wasn't involved with the Reach portal page, so I thought I'd ask for the view of someone who was behind the project. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 15:47, 23 November 2010 (EST)

It was Joeplay, a Wikia Staff in charge of promoting Halo: Reach through Halopedia (Halo.Wikia). I think we can remove that without referring to him. :P - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 15:59, 23 November 2010 (EST)

Polls

I just wanted to know if their are any polls in the main page?

Large Potential Canonicity Issue

It has recently occured to me that a number of articles associated with the events depicted in Halo Wars now have no official source to confirm their canonicity, among these are: Keiichi-047, Unidentified SPARTAN-II (Harvest), Ustaf 'Nbekee, 'Crolunee, Helena Roman.

The issue is that the website that originally contained the gameplay extracts involving these characters, the "Official Halo Wars Website" was recently disbanded. Instead the link goes to a Halo Waypoint page in regards to Halo Wars the game, with all traces of the original website deleted.

So my issue is, do these articles still warrant as canon? Or does the removal of the promotional website and subsequent lack of proof for their canonicity warrant these articles as void? SomethingDifferent 05:10, 25 November 2010 (EST)

These articles would still be canon (depending on what has been confirmed so far), but it would be hard for others to accept it as so since the citations no longer exist. Thus, we would need to apply the burden of proof test in the future if one ever questions the credibility of the articles. The burden of proof would have to rely on the discussion pages (if exist) or simply by words of those who have edited it. This has happened before in the case of Iris and AdjutantReflex, two articles that would remain sourceless to some point. - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 05:24, 25 November 2010 (EST)

Understood, thank you. SomethingDifferent 05:29, 25 November 2010 (EST)

Logo overlap

Having the Chief icon on top of the page content interferes with things like selecting article titles (for copying and pasting into links). A quick fix is to give #p-logo a z-index of 1 or lower. DavidJCobb 13:40, 10 December 2010 (EST)

Editing userpages

Could the coding please be altered to allow me to edit other people's userpages/userwikis/user-whatever? A lot of wanted pages are being linked from there.-- Forerunner 14:04, 20 December 2010 (EST)

Upcoming maintenance

Hosting company says maintenance window 12am–6am eastern standard time Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. 2 hours downtime for PDU replacement. --User:Porplemontage/sig 22:50, 27 December 2010 (EST)

thundestone

the skull i found is the thunderstone,i turned it on and nothing happened.one day,i forgot to turn it on,and it worked!all the grunts where engineers,and the brutes where high rank too.is this a glich or is the thunderstone skull only activated by not turning it on.(EliteHonorGuard 18:01, 1 January 2011 (EST))

Glitch.-- Forerunner 18:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)

easter eggs on the ark

one glich is when your gonna shoot the first shot at the begging of the level,throw a sticky,onto the middle of the platform.it will explode.the grunt in there will go flying,but insted of hitting the ground,he will float in the air,swingging his arms as if falling.this may take a few tries.2.when you get to the anti air cannon,shoot your gun rapidly at the phantom.the phantom will drop the peice its holding,and it will flip off the cliff.EliteHonorGuard 18:06, 1 January 2011 (EST)

reach's point in time

alot of my friends say halo reach takes place in the future (in the halo universe) but i know for a fact that halo reach takes place in the past.bunji rewound time so they would have a planet full of spartens to blow things up right?EliteHonorGuard 18:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)

The "present" in the Halo universe is after the Human-Covenant War. The fact that you're fighting the Covenant (and more importantly Sangheili) shows that it takes place before the Great Schism - October 2552. As the game shows the date at the start of each level, you'd know that the game takes place between July 23 2552 and August 30 2552. Halo: Combat Evolved is September 19-21 2552, Halo 2 is between October 20 and November 17, while Halo 3 continues from there until March 3.-- Forerunner 18:48, 1 January 2011 (EST)

thnx for clearing that up EliteHonorGuard 23:36, 3 January 2011 (EST)

Hello everyone

Hi, I am newbie.This is my frist post ...lol. say hello to everybody.