Talk:Operation: TORPEDO: Difference between revisions

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:That's not the point - Pyrrhus won a number of engagements, but lost so much of his men that any other battle on the scale of the previous engagements would have led to his defeat - it ''did'' lead to his defeat, in fact. The SPARTAN-IIIs were the only force capable of attempting these engagements due to the strategic element (heavily-fortified; outside of UEG space and thus without defencive support). After the Beta force was almost entirely wiped-out, the UNSC was incapable of sending S-IIIs on large-scale operations they were designed for, of which they were, again, the only force capable of attempting. Therefore, a battle with the same statistics as those encountered in TORPEDO (minus the S-IIIs; plus a company of 300 ODSTs) would have been a UNSC failure.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|Fore]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|run]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|ner]]''''' 19:13, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

::We must remember that the SPARTAN-IIIs were very important to the UNSC, despite their few engagements. Both PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO pushed the Covenant back temporarely, and even slowed them down, but the enemy held more than enough resources to recover from their loss. The UNSC, on the other hand, did not. The destruction of both companies in their respective engagements each put the war in the Covenant's favour on the ''long-term'' - there was now no longer a company of elite supersoldiers capable of destroying entire shipyards or refuelling plants. This would major engagements ''afterwards'', which could have been avoided by later S-III deployments, take place and push the UNSC back even further.- '''[[User:Forerunner|Fore]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|run]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|ner]]''''' 19:26, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

::Pyrrhus had "staggering" losses in order to achieve his goal. The UNSC did not. For the incorporation of pyrrhic into this article, you have to consider only the numerical result and consequences. 298 people lost their lives in order to take out tens of thousands of Covenant + whatever. If the Spartans failed, than it would be a COVENANT pyrrhic victory. SomethingDifferent 19:19, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

:::Besides, it mentions the company's inability to operate after the engagement, which stands alone from the anything to do with pyrrhic, but still satisfies the ratio of casualties the Spartans had (ratio =/= pyrrhic). SomethingDifferent 19:21, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

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 :That's not the point - Pyrrhus won a number of engagements, but lost so much of his men that any other battle on the scale of the previous engagements would have led to his defeat - it ''did'' lead to his defeat, in fact. The SPARTAN-IIIs were the only force capable of attempting these engagements due to the strategic element (heavily-fortified; outside of UEG space and thus without defencive support). After the Beta force was almost entirely wiped-out, the UNSC was incapable of sending S-IIIs on large-scale operations they were designed for, of which they were, again, the only force capable of attempting. Therefore, a battle with the same statistics as those encountered in TORPEDO (minus the S-IIIs; plus a company of 300 ODSTs) would have been a UNSC failure.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 19:13, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
+::We must remember that the SPARTAN-IIIs were very important to the UNSC, despite their few engagements. Both PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO pushed the Covenant back temporarely, and even slowed them down, but the enemy held more than enough resources to recover from their loss. The UNSC, on the other hand, did not. The destruction of both companies in their respective engagements each put the war in the Covenant's favour on the ''long-term'' - there was now no longer a company of elite supersoldiers capable of destroying entire shipyards or refuelling plants. This would major engagements ''afterwards'', which could have been avoided by later S-III deployments, take place and push the UNSC back even further.- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 19:26, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
 ::Pyrrhus had "staggering" losses in order to achieve his goal. The UNSC did not. For the incorporation of pyrrhic into this article, you have to consider only the numerical result and consequences. 298 people lost their lives in order to take out tens of thousands of Covenant + whatever. If the Spartans failed, than it would be a COVENANT pyrrhic victory. <font color="black">Something<b>Different</b></font> 19:19, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
 :::Besides, it mentions the company's inability to operate after the engagement, which stands alone from the anything to do with pyrrhic, but still satisfies the ratio of casualties the Spartans had (ratio =/= pyrrhic). <font color="black">Something<b>Different</b></font> 19:21, 19 April 2011 (EDT)