Editing Talk:United Republic of North America

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why is there a link to a halo 3 level here,it has nothing to do with it,since africa (which is where any fighting on Earth in the games takes place) is on the other side of the world from north america

**If you read some more about the United States, more particularly Salem, Oregon, you'll find out why the URNA was associated with [[Voi]], [[Kenya]]. File:UNSCoH_Dingo_without_letters.PNG|30px]]UoH/D Company|<font color="silver"><b>Colonel]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 10/16/2007

Is it just me or does this sound like a succesor state/nation to the USA rather than an organization, after all, not many organizations are 'republics'. Tony, you can tell i've been waiting for this since our edit war on the USA lol! :P --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 13:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

**Let's see if more information comes out about this, possibly in [[Halo: Uprising Issue 2|Issue 2]] of [[Halo: Uprising]]. Though it seems like the URNA is either a union like the EU, a country, or an organization. Though you might be right...you beestard. :D. File:UNSCoH_Dingo_without_letters.PNG|30px]]UoH/D Company|<font color="silver"><b>Colonel]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 10/17/2007

The URNA could just be a union of [[Canada]] and the [[United States of America]]. Now, don't start nitpicking on me just because I mentioned a union of Canada and the USA, 'cause I know you Americans hate Canada. But this is just one of the possible theories. Damn, I wish Bungie would reveal some information about the national changes that have occurred on Earth in the Halo games. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 18:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:Americans hate Canada? If there is such a meme, it's not widespread enough for me to have picked up on it. In any case, I can agree with your theory. I don't believe we've actually heard "United States of America", we've just assumed it was there because stuff inside of it still exists. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:38, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Americans and Canadians don't really hate each other it's just a joke.--[[User:Darth Scott|Darth Scott]] 19:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

::Contact: Harvest mentioned it twice, actually, though it's hard to tell from the context whether it still exists.
::"She had thought it would appeal to Harvest's colonists, most of which came from the heartland of Earth's old United States of America and could trace their ancestry back to the now defunct states of Scandinavia."
::Why call it the "old" United States of America?
::"The territory wasn't part of the United States, not in any formal sense. Some people who lived in the Zone still considered themselves American, but like everyone else on the planet they were citizens of the United Nations -- a sea change in governance that was inevitable once humanity began to colonize other worlds."
::That makes it sound like it's still around.
::Personally, I think that the US has split. The URNA is a separate nation in the Pacific northwest, while the "new" United States takes up the rest of the old territory. --[[User:Jordan117|Jordan117]] 06:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I think it's called the "old" United States because it's been absorbed either  by the [[UN]] or the URNA. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 09:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

::Most likely it's an organization like the European Union. File:CommanderTony Logo.PNG|25px]]UoH|<font color="silver"><b>General]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 12/27/2007


ALL RIGHT, here's what I think. I think the North American Union is essentially one of 6 unions under the ultimate control of the UEG, but all still have some sort of autonomy. Say China with Hong Kong for example---China only deals with Hong Kong's defense and diplomatic relations. Hong Kong does everything else on its own. So the UEG could be "China" and the 6 Unions could be "Hong Kong".

The unions themselves---well think of it like a sort of US state---united under a federal government, and THAT federal government, in turn, is controlled by a even higher power, being the UEG.

For example---the 6 unions (North American Union, consisting of all countries within North America), the South American Union, the European Union, the African Union, the Pan-Asian Union, and the Australian-Oceania Union. The Commonwealth of Australia still exists---but its power is like a US state.

Meanwhile, the reason the UEG isn't mentioned too much in the Halo games is because that its mostly based on Earth. Yes, the UEG owns all colonies and worlds under Human space. But it's sort of like...Microsoft as it was to Bungie. Bungie and all other game companies were the "colonies" and the UEG was "Microsoft", meaning that Bungie and the other companies make, mostly by themselves and mostly on their own authority---but Microsoft still essentially controlled them, just not as much.

You all might be a little confused so let me sum it up---the UNSC is the primary explatory, defense, and scientific arm of the UEG. It technically still has a sort of "civilian government"---presumably the CA is both the UNSC's civilian government but at the same time acts as a sort of central civilian government for most agencies/colonies under the UEG. The Colonial Military Administration is probably Earth's arm that is responsible for not just the UNSCDF (UNSCDF, not UNSC), but most military operations under any Human agency.

-LiquidNazgul (damnit, I can't use my account on Halopedia for some reason)


Why do we assume it's United Republic of North '''America'''? Wouldnt '''Africa''' fit better? After all, the game takes place ''in'' Africa. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 23:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

You mean "United Republic of North Africa"? Doesn't really sound like it would make any sense, considering that North Africa doesn't really stand for anything important in Halo. It's called the "United Republic of North America" because the [[Fueder Construction]] factory is located in Salem, and Salem is located in the URNA as seen in the level [[Floodgate]]. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 23:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

: Ah, see, that's what tripped me up. I had no idea where Salem is or what it was. Thanks. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 19:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Asked Frankie about this just now... ==

I was at the ODST launch party in Seattle few hours ago, and guess what, I ran into Frankie! So I asked a few questions about Halo cannon, which included the United Republic of North America. What I asked was, of course, pretty basic given how little we know about it. Surprisingly enough, it turns out Frankie didn't really know a whole lot either:-)

So I asked Frankie what countries URNA includes, and he said something to the effect of, "we really didn't think about it a whole lot," and could not say for certain to the extent of URNA's territorial jurisdiction. He said he'd rather not define URNA territories because that can upset some people (which I think the discussion on this page pretty much confirms), but he'd "imagine" that URNA will include The US, Canada, and Mexico.

Anyway, not sure how I'd incorporate this info on the actual article. Any suggestions?

P.S. Not making this up. Even got a photo taken with him, which I can provide should someone asks for it. Also, when I told him I was Halopedia member, he set me up with guys from Ascendant Justice blog. SWEET! [[User talk:SoulTown|SoulTown]]

== New Image ==

Well thanks to the Halo Encyclopedia we now know that the URNA is just Canada, Mexico and the United States. However the image on the page still includes the countries of the Caribbean; anybody able to change this?--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 21:53, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

==Don't We Know the Political Distinctions?==
I was not under the impression that Canada was involved in the reorganization. I do think that Mexico and the former US are what is in Halo the URNA. The Encyclopedia could be correct, but if anyone's read its first edition, the information in it was not to be trusted. The revised edition fixed much of it but it was not originally assembled with great care regarding canon. If Bungie's official Covenant-themed halo2.com from when Halo 2 was about to be launched, there were pages that showed the various political entities on Earth. The highlight for North America seemed to only include the USA and Mexico as a single color. Canada wasn't represented, but no data point to translate from the Covenant language was there either, so Canada would exist, but wasn't part of the halo2.com site's interaction. At any rate, it was the USA and Mexico that was highlighted and that is what I assume Bungie intended for the URNA as far back as even Halo 2. The remainder of the continents had most of their political divisions in about the same state, with Europe grouped as a single political entity. I have a pic I screencapped from the Halo 2 site from back when it was active if there was somewhere applicable to upload it here. (as an aside, outside of the Encyclopedia, is there a canonical mention of Canada at all?) [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:42, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

:Despite its numerous mistakes, our official position on the Halo Encyclopedia is to assume the information inside is correct unless it is explicitly contradicted by another piece of canon. Can you post the pic you're talking about? The fact that Canada wasn't included wouldn't necessarily mean that it was intentionally excluded. As for the canonical mention, you can see them on its [[Canada|page]]. Canada is where many of the citizens of Cleveland fled when the city was invaded by the Covenant. It's also be explicitly stated as the birthplace of Sergeant [[Lian Devereaux]]. When push comes to shove however, the official Halopedia [[Halopedia:Canon policy|Canon policy]] is that print and film works trump promotional materials. Despite its numerous mistakes, the Encyclopedia, as a written reference work, would trump Halo2.com, which was a promotional site.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 22:14, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

That's unfortunate. Halo2.com was put together by Bungie. The Encyclopedia was, well, not sure who put it together considering all the errors but it wasn't checked out well by 343i. They (and I) had a hand in trying to fix what we could, but it really needed to be redone. That's what the Visual Guide was for...kind of a way to make up for the Encyclopedia. I'm not saying Canada is excluded, just saying that in Bungie's world it was not a part of the URNA. The images I saved from the old halo2.com I placed on my own website here. Note that Alaska doesn't seem to be a part of the URNA either. [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 23:28, 16 June 2013 (EDT): 
http://msfm.seryan.com/specialpics/Earth2552_Map.jpg

That's an interesting graphic. The border between Canada and the United States looks pretty weird, actually. You can make out New England, but it's a lot harder to make out the Great Lakes region. Then you've got the western half of the border, which in real life is a ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMkYlIA7mgw mostly]) straight line along the 49th parallel, but in this graphic is anything but. Interestingly, this graphic also includes Central America, and excludes Alaska. On a side note, what did the description for Africa say? Because this graphic seems to imply that it's a single entity, but as far as we know, the [[East African Protectorate]] is its own entity within the [[Unified Earth Government]]. We've also never heard of any sort of united South American political entity. Overall, I'd say this graphic deserves a note or a mention in the trivia section of the URNA page, but I don't think it's enough for us to remove Canada from the list and add the countries of Latin America.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 00:14, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
:For an in-universe perspective, we can also note that this graphic is from a Covenant point of view. It's possible that their information wasn't 100% accurate.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px|bottom]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty'''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''-'''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112'''</span>]] [[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:red; font-family:Arial">'''''Admin'''''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Rusty-112|<font color="blue">'''comm'''</font>]]</sup> 00:17, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

::Yes, the Canada/USA border is unusual. Interesting that Madagascar wasn't included in Africa.[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 06:38, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

==Locations not mentioned==
Given the examples of New Phoenix and Chicago, where the city has expanded across large areas to the point where other notable locations are subsumed, is it wise to have locations listed that have not been mentioned when we don't know they still do? -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 06:34, 6 September 2015 (EDT)
:I was under the impression the page was only supposed to list locations that have been mentioned somewhere in the lore. Most of them probably come from ILB, but since it's been ages since I listened to it I can't really say off the top of my head which ones actually do appear or are mentioned. It would be preferable to have more specific sources for each of them.  --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:01, 6 September 2015 (EDT)