Editing Talk:Shield world

speculation shouldnt be mentioned in this article.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 06:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

:It probably can't be helped, the interior of shield world was only vaguely described. In addition, A dyson sphere would have the surface area of millions of planets. The characters only spent time in one little area of it, theoretically, they could spend the rest of their lives looking for the forerunner on shield world and still not find them even if they occuped 90% of the living space there. -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

== Title ==

AFAIK, we don't know whether there's one Shield World or multiple ones. It seems like this article should be rewritten based on that, but I probably won't do it. Also, is it the humans' name for it or a translation of the Forerunner name? --[[User:68.44.13.236|68.44.13.236]] 16:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Its the human translation, from Halsey herself. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 16:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering if we should add the line that Spark spoke in Halo 3, was something like "I expected the ark to be part of a shield facility"

There are multiple Shield Installations. I can prove it. As we know, Shield Worlds are Shield Installations, In Halo Wars the [[Micro Dyson Sphere]] containing [[The Apex]] is called a Shield World, therefore There is that AND the one on [[Onyx | Planet Onyx]](Deceased). [[User talk:Dreaddraco2|Dreaddraco2]] 21:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Could it not be possible that there are mutiple worlds housing portals to the same sheild world? In ghosts of onyx im sure its 
mentioned that hasley estimates the dyson shpere to be roughly a bit larger than Earth. If this is the case it wouldnt of held
many Forerunner.

Id guess, speculation only of course based on knowledge from the boioks and terminals, that there are infact mutiple sheild worlds each leading to different dyson spheres. If this is the case, there could very well be forerunner populating each one, happily going about their exsistence, the knowledge of their ancestors either forgotten or merely put aside. In one of the terminals, there is a quote from a supposed Forerunner, writing a letter to his father about having to do what is right and not wanting anyone else to get their hands bloodied. This could very well be refeering to the firing of the rings and the sheild worlds as he claims he can not hide behind safe doors ( not sure of exact quote). This implies that some Forerunner did reach the sheild worlds and did survive the firing. The fate of them would of course be unknown.

== Name ==

Didn't Offensive Bia refer to the shield world as the Maginot Sphere when he prepared to engage Mendicat Bias? [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 15:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No, the Maginot Line was the border between Flood and Forerunner territory. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Rename ==

Guilty Spark calls it a "Shield Installation," so should it be renamed? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Micro Dyson Spheres. ==

Okay, I am a little confused as to what a Micro Dyson Sphere is exactly. What is it? It says it is tiny, but in reality it is massive, is this true, also, what is the atmosphere and climate like? Is it like the Ark? What? Please answer these questions, I would appreciate it. --[[User:Lord Lycan|Lord Lycan]] 01:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

*Ok,this is how I see it.From the outside,the sphere would look small,but on the inside,it(from what another user said)has the space of a thousands planets' surface.In other words,the inside is in another space(like slipspace).I hope that helps you.[[User:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 01:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
**After reading the Dyson Sphere Wikipedia article, it would have to be sized in comparison to the star its surrounding, which, at its smallest, would still be big, just not solar system big like regular sized theoretical ones.  They could be based on artificial small stars, meaning that their size could probably be about Jupiter sized, if not bigger.  Since they're Forerunner constructs, they're probably like the Ark in atmosphere, which is in turn similar to Earth.  Not sure about a surrounding atmosphere of either gas or another shell on top, but they can't be on the inside, that's where the energy to power it comes from.  [[User talk:Arcdash|Arcdash]] 01:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Shield World (Halo Wars) ==

Should I make an article about the 'Shield World' in Halo Wars? It's very different to that of the one mentioned in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, and is only called a Shield World because it's mentioned in Campaign: Theatre Mode: One Less Sun in the Universe. It's the Micro-Dyson Sphere Surrounding a star. It is merely a hollow sphere cover that can sustain life, and CONTAINS a sun and (Presumably) [[The Apex]], Unlike the one in the book, It isn't anything to do with SlipSpace, and is not a portal, It is also the heart of the only known Artificial Supernova (Caused by the  FTL Reactor) in the Halo Universe. --[[User talk:Dreaddraco2|Dreaddraco2]] 21:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:LOL, nice organized! Until now I was 100% sure that [[the Apex]] was the shield world talked about above, but now I'm more confused. - {{JEA13/Sig}}

The [[Halo Wars]] Shield World is a hollow sphere. The apex is probably on a planet/moon INSIDE this sphere with the sun. Thats why in a cutscene, [[Serena]] says "Isn't anyone freaked out that we're INSIDE the planet?"[[User talk:Dreaddraco2|Dreaddraco2]] 21:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:Here's what I got after analysing the cutscenes: The Shield World in Halo Wars is not similar in function like the one in Ghost of Onyx. Instead, it is used to store the so-called Forerunner Warships. This is later revealed to be the Apex, which I believed to be some kind of platform... In addition, the planet is not fully composed of Sentinels like what we've read in Ghost of Onxy (Quote: The planet is the Sentinels... or something close to that..). Thirdly, the Sentinels we see in Halo Wars are not of special purpose like the [[Onyx Sentinels]]. Maybe this Shield World is more of, like I said before, to store Forerunner Ships? So, maybe the term Shield World is not to protect the Reclaimers but also the Forerunner's properties? Oh, let's not forget this is Ensemble's addition on the Halo Universe... so it might contradict the old canon...-<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 21:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much.
Here's what I think it's like:

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The BIG circle is the hollow [[Micro Dyson Sphere]], the small one to the left is the sun, and the smaller one to the right is [[The Apex]]. It's probably a Shield World, because it Shields the [[Forerunner]] ships.
[[User talk:Dreaddraco2|Dreaddraco2]] 22:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

:Unlikely regarding the Micro Dyson Sphere, though I love how you utilise the math feature to draw out the outline of the Shield World. In Halo Wars, the centre of the planet is the Apex. Supporting this claim is the fact that there are no similarities between the two shield world. Thus, I believe that each Shield World is unique in terms of the function and purpose. This also applies to the Halo Installations where none of them have the same purpose/function. -<b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>ub<font color="#FF4F00">7</font>ank</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 22:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


==Braidenvl's recent edit==

I don't have Halo: Cryptum on me right now, but I think it didn't say that.  Actually, I don't think it said which one was more common.
Discuss here.  If we find out that Braidenvl's wrong we'll revert it.  If he's not then we won't. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  13:49, 14 April 2011 (EDT)!!

:I only said that in the edit summary. My edits had nothing to do with that subject, so there is nothing to revert. Anyway, I skimmed ''Cryptum'' after making that edit and realized that I was mistaken. I based my assumption on the fact that, according to the Didact, the Shield Worlds outnumber the Halos. I assumed that, because there are so many Shield Worlds, most, or perhaps all except Onyx, would be built according to the simpler design, as it could be more easily manufactured. Again, I simply misremembered the Didact's words. I was wrong. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 14:48, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Nevertheless, it's not really made clear which one is the more common type. It would certainly make sense to be the ''Halo Wars'' one, especially considering how ''Cryptum'' describes them as "fortress worlds", essentially military bases. The Shield World in ''Halo Wars'' (and apparently the other installations the Covenant encountered earlier) seems like it was built primarily to be a fortress rather than a shelter, considering the fact it housed a fleet of warships. It was probably meant to be a habitat or refuge as well, considering the Earth-like surface, but it seems more temporary than the Onyx construct; I doubt a simple planetary shell would protect from the Halo effect. Then there's the obvious matter of the size; I doubt even the Forerunners could mass-produce Onyx-type Dyson spheres in a matter of a few hundred years while simultaneously fighting the Flood.

::As we have, as of now, no idea which one is the rule and which is the exception, I think both types should be described in the article as equals. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:18, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:::I was about to suggest the same thing. While I certainly agree that the ''Halo Wars'' kind is the more prevalent type, we don't one way or the other. Thus, I feel that the article should mention the general concept, i.e. ''shelter from the Halos'', ''Dyson sphere'', ''false exterior, terraformed interior'', whilst mentioning Onyx and the ''Halo Wars'' kind in separate sections. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 15:26, 14 April 2011 (EDT)


Well one thing that could explain ALL of your problems is on Bungie.net. If you go here (http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=57843301&postRepeater1-p=2) and look at Astrogenesis's post on page 2.  Then that could explain it.  Then, they wouldn't even HAVE to make multiple Dyson Spheres. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:18, 14 April 2011 (EDT)!!!

== Planetary shell type ==

I think that section should be renamed. It is never refereed to by that name and as it is a fan name it should be renamed '''Dyson Shell''' type as that is the correct term for that type of Dyson Sphere. Also I think it should be noted that the Sentinels around the Micro Dyson sphere act like a Dyson Swarm--[[Special:Contributions/210.56.81.72|210.56.81.72]] 06:12, 13 August 2011 (EDT)