Editing Talk:Jameson Locke

==Ethnicity==
I dont know if this is relevant but I looked up Mike coulter and Mike is black. Should we put that Locke is black?- B312

:Well, I don't think we usually do it. However, adding a photo of the actor may be a good idea. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 13:42, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

:Trivial. The same reason why [[Jun]] and [[Kojo Agu|Romeo]] didn't have their ancestry/skin color listed in the color. A picture of the actor (i.e. a profile pic) is also unnecessary since we'll eventually have a photo of him playing as Locke soon.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  14:06, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

==Current rank==
I was just wondering if Lieutenant Commander was his rank in 2552 or 2558. I'm not saying we should remove this mention, the article is fine as it is now. But the report he made clearly stated "Thel 'Vadam'''''ee''''', Supreme Commander, Fleet of Particular Justice". None of these mentions would suit a report made after the war. I would also assume that this report was "actually" accessed by the Master Chief at some point in ''Halo 2 Anniversary'' (2552), as the ''Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide'' also confirmed that he had actually accessed the terminals in ''Halo 3'' et ''Halo 4'' (same thing with Noble Six and the data pads). So Locke compiled his report during the war and it was accessed by the Chief in 2552. Later scenes (when Thel is Arbiter) might be accessible in later terminals, as ''CEA'' did have Covenant terminals. As for the Arbiter's speech during the trailer... Perhaps it's not really in the terminals (like Guilty Spark's speech in the CEA terminals trailer) and it could be in his discussion with Locke ("Your" Master Chief calls me friend). So basically Locke's rank may not be the same in ''Halo 2 Anniversary'' and ''Halo 5''. Again, I'm not suggesting to change the article, I just wanted to know your opinion on this. At least we know he's ONI, so "Spartan" is not his rank. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 16:09, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

:I always thought that he complied the reports around 2558 and was meeting with 'Vadam for information on his backstory. However, the report is about 'Vadam during the war, so his name and rank during the war was used instead. Though I could be wrong. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 16:52, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

::It's definitely a bit unclear when Chief accessing the file takes place or when the content does; [[Forum:Halo 5: Guardians (General)#Timeline and John|here's the Forum section for this]]. I suspect that even if it was 2552, he is probably still the same rank. It would be a bit silly to reveal his full name and rank (in a fairly off-handed, unimportant place), then change that rank as soon as he's seen in the present. Lieutenant-Commander is pretty high-ranking already, so I doubt he would have moved up even if it was 2552. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:20, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

:::I think I was right, in the documentary Locke said that the report was compiled on September 26th, 2552. So I would say it's likely the Master Chief did access the Terminal (at least the first one) in "real time" during ''Halo 2'', like those in ''Halo 3'' or ''Halo 4''. And Thel is portrayed as he was before becoming the Arbiter, so this really sounds like it's pre-post-Covenant War. (wtf did I just say?) [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 20:37, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

::::Well, at least this means we don't have to worry (as much) about Thel being listed as an ONI target. Is that documentary floating around somewhere? Also, I'm assuming those new pictures at the bottom of the article are from this documentary, and it looks like Locke has a BR55, which is nice to see. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:27, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

:::::It's on Waypoint or Live, which ever you want, just keep in mind it's an hour long. [[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]][[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]][[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]] 17:48, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

::::::Ah, that explains why I couldn't find it, thanks. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 21:10, 1 November 2014 (EDT)

== Spartan generation ==

I don't believe it has been expressly stated by 343i that Locke is indeed a SPARTAN-IV. The only evidence that we would have to suggest he is a Four is his MJOLNIR GEN 2 armor typically seen on these troops whereas Two's continue to use Mark VI. Seeing how we know that certain Threes, such as Noble Team, utilized Mark V, and a Two wore SPI, we know that your generation doesn't necessarily determine which armor you're equipped with. Mike Colter, Locke's actor, is 37 and an Alpha Company SIII could be in their mid-30's. Simply put, we shouldn't simply assume that he's a SPARTAN-IV until we know for certain, which I'm sure he is, but you can never be too safe. {{User:Helianthus/Sig}}
:I agree, the mention of him being a SPARTAN-IV should be removed until we get a confirmation of what he is.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 18:12, 22 July 2014 (EDT)
::Although it isn't absolute proof he's a SPARTAN-IV, the fact he has a surname would suggest he is. Then again, there are a number of Spartans who have surnames. [[Special:Contributions/82.27.24.49|82.27.24.49]] 07:16, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
:::All Spartans have surnames (see Halsey Journal documents), it's just that the second and third generations don't utilize them for everyday identification purposes as the ORIONs and Fours do. {{User:Helianthus/Sig}}
:A more likely explanation (in my opinion) is that he is part of ONI, not the Spartan Branch. This would explain why he has the ONI symbol in the Halo 5 cover art. --[[User:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] ([[User talk:Weeping Angel|talk]]) 17:32, 16 August 2014 (EDT)
::Locke is in fact a Naval Intelligence agent, and the cover art for ''Guardians'' suggests that is still the case after he underwent augmentation. However, ONI's Spartans to date are all aligned with a particular generation and utilize much of the same equipment such as MJOLNIR. {{User:Helianthus/Sig}}

==Spartan during Nightfall?==

Does anyone agree that Locke doesn't really look like a Spartan in Nightfall? I know it's speculation, and would be more appropriate on a forum page, but he does appear to be the same general size as all the other people, including the Sedran Colonial Guard members. [[Special:Contributions/82.27.24.49|82.27.24.49]] 07:16, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

:Several interviews with 343i employees refer to ''Nightfall'' as Locke's "superhero origin story", suggesting that his augmentation occurs after the series. As you mentioned above, the jury's still out on whether he's a SPARTAN-IV or something else. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 19:16, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

::Right, didn't know they'd said that. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/82.27.24.49|82.27.24.49]] 07:43, 16 August 2014 (EDT)

== Agent Locke will be a playable character... ==
Agent Locke will be a '''''main''''' character. Someone fix this.{{Unsigned|98.65.201.42}}
:There's not a thing wrong with that statement. He's a main character and is playable, which tends to be the case with main characters.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:38, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

== "spartan" IS NOT a rank ==

Locke's rank should be listed as LIEUTENANT COMMANDER, not Spartan. Spartan is a classification of Soldier type, but it's not a rank. 

'''For example:'''

* John 117- is a Spartan II '''soldier''', and has a Master Chief '''rank'''

* Carter- is a Spartan III '''soldier''', and has a Commander '''rank'''

* Nobel 6- is a Spartan III '''soldier''', and has a Lieutenant '''rank'''

* Locke- is a Spartan IV '''soldier''', and has a Lieutenant Commander '''rank'''


Listing Spartan as a rank is incorrect, as it's a soldier type. Spartan's have ranks within their soldier type, the title "spartan" itself is not a Rank.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 14:02, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

:The Spartan-IVs are part of the Spartan branch, which has its own [[Spartan Operations#Rank_structure|ranking structure]]. Within the branch, Spartan ''is'' a rank. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 14:20, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

::What about Sarah Palmer being a Lieutenant Commander in Halo 4, then being a Commander in Spartan Ops and Halo 5? She's Spartan Commander Sarah Palmer. If Spartans had no ranks that would make her Spartan Spartan Sarah Palmer, rather than Spartan Spartan Sarah Palmer.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 14:42, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

:::What if I told you....Commander is a title. And she wasn't a Lt. Commander in ''Halo 4''. Though the Spartan branch no doubt originally was supposed to use Navy ranks. You go into the Spartan branch and you leave your rank behind.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 14:52, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

:::: I understand, however you are incorrect about Halo 4. In Halo 4 she was a Lt. Commander. The Halo 4 digital manual even said she was a Lt.Commander. It has been retconned after the game shipped. Hence the confusion.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 15:14, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

:::Sarah Palmer as Spartan Commander is similar to a naval officer of any rank in command of a vessel being addressed as "captain" regardless if they're an actual captain, an ensign, or any grade in-between. It's not so much a rank as it is a billet and tradition. Jameson Locke resigned his commission as a LCDR in the Navy when he transferred to Spartans. {{User:Helianthus/Sig}}

:::: Alright, I understand it now. But let's at LEAST make mention of this in the Spartan Branch page. Sound fair?[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 15:14, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

:::::John and Carter have nothing to do with the Spartan branch so that makes things even more confusing. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 15:46, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

Let's take any further discussion to the Spartan talk page. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 16:17, 26 April 2016 (EDT)