Talk:Tem'Bhetek's faction

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I'm wondering if this article is really necessary. I don't know if I would really call it a faction, since it was literally just the Minister and Prelate working together to get revenge on the Sangheili. I'm sure they were still technically allied with the rest of the San'Shyuum, just not currently with them at the time. The other "members" are just the Jiralhanae and Yanme'e aboard Spear of Light that happened to be subordinate to the Prelate during the Covenant and still remained so after the war. Also, if we do keep it, I think we might need a better name since the Minister and Prelate both had "equal" authority (and if anything the Minister still retained greater power). Though I can't think of a better name so... I don't know, just my thoughts. --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 13:34, 5 October 2016 (EDT)

I also noticed the naming problem, but as you said it's hard to come up with a good alternative. "Tem'Bhetek's and Boru'a'Neem's faction" would be undesirably complex, and since Tem was the more prominent member, at least narratively speaking, I guess it sort of makes sense to use his name rather than the other. Also a good point about whether this is really a "faction" or just being the two San'Shyuum and their followers, though I imagine a lot of the other post-war groups we list as factions are subject to similar ambiguities - e.g. did Luro 'Taralumee have an established faction in place or did he merely "consolidate power" within the command structure of another organization? Thankfully, the word "faction" is pretty inclusive, and actually implies the presence of a larger umbrella organization; in most cases that's assumed to be the Covenant proper, though some of the factions can also be part of a post-war splinter group (as with how Sali 'Nyon's faction started out).

In any case, I doubt this group called themselves anything or had an established political structure in place, but then I don't recall it being mentioned if they were in contact with other San'Shyuum either. I think the article can stay, albeit maybe with some adjustments to tone down the implication they're a proper organization. On that note, I think a lot of our Covenant splinter faction articles are too rigid when it comes to their "Military structure" sections, for example, assuming that their ranking systems work just like in the Covenant just because we see troops wearing a certain type of armor. I would imagine a lot of the post-war groups are more individualized than that, using whatever armor they can find and gaining members from different units, etc. which would make the supposed "ranks" a lot more muddy. --Jugus (talk) 06:17, 6 October 2016 (EDT)