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== Images Again ==
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Hey, everyone. Just wanted to make sure that you all know that image uploading is up and running. I'd like to put together a team to go through the wiki and upload all the images eventually. To upload an image, click on "Upload File" in the sidebar, and the rest is self explanitory.  Have fun! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 11:14, 1 Sep 2005 (EDT)
== Covenant Species Weights ==


== The Big Move ==
I know there isn't much room in Wikis for jokes, but here's just one to start off a long analysis. Please don't ban me. Cracked.com ran an article called 5 Things We're Making Fatter in Addition to Ourselves. And I've noticed a somewhat similar trend over the Covenant species articles with their weights. They've almost all gone up, to somewhat ridiculous levels, with the exception of Elites, who have lost about 200 lbs. and Prophets, who've stayed the same.
Report any problems that you have with the Wiki. I'd be surprised if there weren't any. --<span style=" -variant: small-caps;">'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'')</span> 16:59, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)


Some pages are missing history. We can live with that, right? --<span style=" -variant: small-caps;">'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'')</span> 07:52, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)
I don't have precise figures to quote, but from memory here is a comparison of the original species weight to the current one:


== Gettin' Started ==
Grunts: 118 kg/260 lbs (current) vs. 110 lbs (original)


All members can discuss in this space, not just admins. Any ideas regarding Wiki organization would be awesomely appreciated.
Jackals: 88 kg/195 lbs (current) vs. ~150 lbs (original)


Okay. I got the front page settled for now. Now I start on the Humans.  I think links should list: History, Human Technology and Transportation (or something along those lines), Characters, and whatever else we can think up. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:23, 5 Nov 2004 (Eastern Standard Time)
Drones: 130 kg/280 lbs (current) vs. ~130 lbs (original)


== Changed Main page - broken up ==
Brutes: 680 kg/1500 lbs (current) vs. 1100 lbs (original)


I thought it'd be an OK thing to break the Halo games from the universe, and both from the main page, into sections.  If you don't like it, I can change it back, or someone can just un-edit the page change. --[[User:Buz|Buz]]
Just looking at these, the Grunt and Drone figures seem ridiculous. How does a Grunt, a much shorter and smaller creature than a human, weigh in so much heavier? And the Drone would be in the obese category in human classification, yet not only is it a pretty trim-looking creature, it's a flying one.


Looks good to me.
The Jackal and Brute aren't as egregious as this, but they're still somewhat implausible figures. The Jackal is supposed to have hollow bones and it looks pretty skinny, but it's probably the most acceptable figure out of these four. Before the Elite's weight was changed from around 500 to its present of around 320 lbs, the Brute weighed 1,100. So it weighed a little more than twice as much as an Elite. Plausible. Now with the new figures, the Brute weighs 5 times as much as an Elite. Which makes little sense to me.
I've been working on this stuff a bit (while I have spare time at work). Whatcha think so far?
--[[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]


===More Content===
The source of these figures seems to be the Halo Encyclopedia, and I think the standard is to use the newest material as the main source in case of conflicts. But we've all read through/contributed to the rants about how riddled with errors the Encyclopedia is, and I think I can see the source of the error in some of these cases.


Okay, I added a walkthrough section for halo 1 and 2 on the main page.
The've mixed up kilograms with pounds.


But this has made the page a little lopsided...
It makes very strong sense for the Grunt and the Drone especially, because those kilogram figures are almost the same as the old pound figures. The Jackal would be a little bit on the anorexic side if it were only 88 pounds, so in that case the 195 lb. figure should probably be more correct. The Brute was always a heavyweight, but consider, if it were 680 pounds it would weigh a little more than twice as much as the old Elite did, the same that it used to be when the Elite was 500.


What should go on the right side? Weapons? Vehicles? Something?? Gimme some ideas. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 11:17, 28 Jan 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
My proposal is to change the weights of the Grunt, Drone, and possibly the Brute so that it's the same number in pounds that it is now in kilograms. If it's unacceptable to consider correcting typos/errors in the Halo Encyclopedia like that, then my proposal is to find the more accurate-sounding numbers in the old sources, and replace the current ones with those. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 01:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


:"Technology" heading with links to Weapons, Vehicles and stuff? Maybe a timeline? I'd expect that to be fairly long though. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 14:46, 28 Jan 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
== Source formatting ==
I suggest we change formatting of sources for books and games because I think it looks a bit more precise. And here are my suggestions for my proposal:
#Books: <code>'''''<nowiki>[[Name of book]]</nowiki>''''' - ''Any sub-titles'', page Page number ("''Quote (optional)''")</code>, or if you want to link right to the book: <code>''<nowiki>[[Name of book]]</nowiki>'' ("''Quote (optional)''")</code>
#Games: <code>'''''<nowiki>[[Name of game]]</nowiki>''''' - <nowiki>[[Name of level/Name of level (level)#Any sub-title|</nowiki>''Name of level'', Any sub-title<nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> ("''Quote (optional)''")</code>, or if you want to link right to the game: <code>''<nowiki>[[Name of game]]</nowiki>'' ("''Quote (optional)''")</code>
And as an example: If you want to source a quote from page  of ''Halo Encyclopedia'' as an example: <ref group="Source formatting">'''''[[Halo Encyclopedia]]''''' - ''Chapter Six: The Forerunners'', page 185 ("''The Libarian had a deep respect for humanity, whom she viewed as “special” among all of the sentient life she had catalogued and felt it was well worth the sacrafice of her life to save them.''")</ref>


::That sounds pretty good to me. I'll whoop it up. As for the timeline, that's gonna be a BIG undertaking...but I might throw it on the front page so it can start. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:59, 28 Jan 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
And for something like a section from a level in ''Halo 3'': <ref group="Source formatting">'''''[[Halo 3]]''''' - [[Sierra 117#Quid Pro Quo|''Sierra 117'', Quid Pro Quo]]</ref>


:::Or now that I think about it, maybe a list of the Halo novels would be better? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 12:46, 25 Feb 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
<references group="Source formatting"/>


== Images ==
And other ways.--{{User:Cally99117/Sig}}


Arg, images! Well, I see that you're taking care of getting images fixed up, DragonClaws, and I appreciate it a whole bunch.
==Wiki Improvement Poll==
 
In counting down the release of Halo: Reach (Sept 14) and experiencing the end of 10 wonderful years of all that is Bungie, what do you think Halopedia should do to celebrate? - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
I tried to enable uploading onto the wiki, but for some reason, it's not wanting to work correctly, so I'm gonna have my php experts take a look and get this all fixed up.
 
Until then, thanks for all your hard work! -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 28 Jan 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
 
== Red Vs Blue ==
 
Have you considered adding a section for [http://www.roosterteeth.com Red Vs Blue]? It might help to beef up your site a bit, at least giving it the same kinda basis as the Homestar Wiki. Give a bit of trivia and whatnot. Up to you, but I think it could really improve the site a bit. And if you've never been there and have no idea what I'm talking about, it's a site where they use Halo Mulitplayer to act out Episodes of their Web-Show. It's actually quite funny and well done. Give it a chance if you haven't already done so.
 
-- (Btw, this is Thunderbird L17, from the Homestar Wiki) [[User:70.70.212.72|70.70.212.72]] 01:05, 9 Mar 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
 
:We have the beginings of a [[Red vs Blue]] article. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 01:19, 9 Mar 2005 (Eastern Standard Time)
 
==Movie==
I've made the start of a page on the [[Halo Movie]]. I would think that it deserves a link on the front page, however, I don't know how to add it myself as everything is about games. Thoughts? Also, should [[The Flood]] have a link under "Inside"?--[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 14:18, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)
 
I added the movie link, I'll look into the flood link. - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
 
== Behind the scenes... ==
 
there could be a link to the real life people who created halo on the front page. The authors, voice actors, and designers behind everything could always use a little more credit.          -[[Ed]]
 
== Why? ==
 
I'm sorry, but why are you bringing back Halopedia as an independent wiki? The Halopedia of Wikia is an evolution of Halopedia.org, and it is thriving. When Halopedia was first made in 2004, there was nothing like it. The other Halo Wiki was a repository of multiplayer knowledge and was not that comparable with Halopedia. When Halopedia.org failed, everyone migrated the wiki to the basically dead halo.wikia.com and had it keep the Halopedia name and community. Why start Halopedian.com now? It isn't necessary to divide the Halopedia community and halo.wikia.com because there is no distinction at this point. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 18:24, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
 
:I agree with Dragonclaws. I have also listed several points on [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Specops306 306's talk page] on why I oppose the restoration of the old Halopedia. Though, it is good to see her again - too bad I joined AFTER November. How about a day when we change the .wikia layout to monobook just to experience that feeling again. -- [[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 19:52, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
 
::No matter what, Wikia is going to have a Halo wiki of some sort, even if everyone moved here. Our goal in bringing the site back is to provide an independent alternative to the Halopedia on Wikia, just like how there is Bulbapedia and Wikia's Pokemon wiki or mariowiki.com and the Wikia Mario wiki. These communities exist side-by-side and it's ultimately better for everyone. We've seen Wikia making offers to independent wikis, and we don't think one company should have a monopoly on wikis. Unfortunately, none of this was considered when the site moved to Wikia. Regarding hosting--we have a much more powerful server now and are prepared to buy more servers as the site grows. --[[User:Halopedia One|Halopedia One]] 20:32, 12 August 2010 (EDT)
 
:::It still doesn't make sense to attempt to recreate Halopedia as an individual site like making two [[Wikipedia:Ship of Theseus|ships of Theseus]]. "Will the real Halopedia please stand up?" Maybe you could make another Halo wiki without compromising the Halopedia identity. As it is, it just seems strange. Incidentally, are you AgentSeethroo? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 02:38, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
::::I thought that too, but he'd use his account here. Also, I don't see any advertisements. How exactly are you going to keep this running without income? The Pokemon and Mario wikis are both in existence because they were simply unaware of the other. They have their own followers and work independently of each other. They're trying to one-up their competitor and take its visitors. Two Halopedias run by the same people isn't going to work in a competitive environment. halopedian.com would have quite some influence over older members by re-introducing them to the original... while halo.wikia.com would keep the majority of the population who want the information ''now'' as opposed to spending a year writing it up. Besides, we have too few who remember the old halopedia, and few of those got an account before 3 November 2005.-- [[User:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 09:43, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
:::::We're prepared to serve advertisements to logged-out users when the time comes. And Wikia creates a wiki for every subject no matter what--a Google search could have solved anyone's unawareness. Back to the matter at hand, you're right. The same people should not run both sites indefinitely. For example, if enough people took on the task of cleaning up this wiki, we could refer people to Wikia while they work. At some point we would branch off, but competition doesn't have to mean hostility. --[[User:Halopedia One|Halopedia One]] 13:00, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
::::::I still see no point as to why we should change back. The current site at Wikia is perfectly fine, and changing would just cause more confusion and unnecessary work. We are already one of the most popular wikis on Wikia, and have the advantage of being in touch with Microsoft through them. --[[User:General5 7|General5 7]] 19:41, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
Like I said, Wikia is not going to give up that wiki. You can continue to edit there and nothing is going to happen to it. --[[User:Halopedia One|Halopedia One]] 20:03, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
:But the fact still remains: there is no huge advantage to changing back to the original Halopedia. --[[User:General5 7|General5 7]] 20:18, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
 
::It's fine that you disagree. The important thing is that the original, independent Halopedia is back and there's an alternative to Wikia. --[[User:Halopedia One|Halopedia One]] 17:10, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

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Covenant Species Weights

I know there isn't much room in Wikis for jokes, but here's just one to start off a long analysis. Please don't ban me. Cracked.com ran an article called 5 Things We're Making Fatter in Addition to Ourselves. And I've noticed a somewhat similar trend over the Covenant species articles with their weights. They've almost all gone up, to somewhat ridiculous levels, with the exception of Elites, who have lost about 200 lbs. and Prophets, who've stayed the same.

I don't have precise figures to quote, but from memory here is a comparison of the original species weight to the current one:

Grunts: 118 kg/260 lbs (current) vs. 110 lbs (original)

Jackals: 88 kg/195 lbs (current) vs. ~150 lbs (original)

Drones: 130 kg/280 lbs (current) vs. ~130 lbs (original)

Brutes: 680 kg/1500 lbs (current) vs. 1100 lbs (original)

Just looking at these, the Grunt and Drone figures seem ridiculous. How does a Grunt, a much shorter and smaller creature than a human, weigh in so much heavier? And the Drone would be in the obese category in human classification, yet not only is it a pretty trim-looking creature, it's a flying one.

The Jackal and Brute aren't as egregious as this, but they're still somewhat implausible figures. The Jackal is supposed to have hollow bones and it looks pretty skinny, but it's probably the most acceptable figure out of these four. Before the Elite's weight was changed from around 500 to its present of around 320 lbs, the Brute weighed 1,100. So it weighed a little more than twice as much as an Elite. Plausible. Now with the new figures, the Brute weighs 5 times as much as an Elite. Which makes little sense to me.

The source of these figures seems to be the Halo Encyclopedia, and I think the standard is to use the newest material as the main source in case of conflicts. But we've all read through/contributed to the rants about how riddled with errors the Encyclopedia is, and I think I can see the source of the error in some of these cases.

The've mixed up kilograms with pounds.

It makes very strong sense for the Grunt and the Drone especially, because those kilogram figures are almost the same as the old pound figures. The Jackal would be a little bit on the anorexic side if it were only 88 pounds, so in that case the 195 lb. figure should probably be more correct. The Brute was always a heavyweight, but consider, if it were 680 pounds it would weigh a little more than twice as much as the old Elite did, the same that it used to be when the Elite was 500.

My proposal is to change the weights of the Grunt, Drone, and possibly the Brute so that it's the same number in pounds that it is now in kilograms. If it's unacceptable to consider correcting typos/errors in the Halo Encyclopedia like that, then my proposal is to find the more accurate-sounding numbers in the old sources, and replace the current ones with those. Flayer92 01:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Source formatting

I suggest we change formatting of sources for books and games because I think it looks a bit more precise. And here are my suggestions for my proposal:

  1. Books: [[Name of book]] - Any sub-titles, page Page number ("Quote (optional)"), or if you want to link right to the book: [[Name of book]] ("Quote (optional)")
  2. Games: [[Name of game]] - [[Name of level/Name of level (level)#Any sub-title|Name of level, Any sub-title]] ("Quote (optional)"), or if you want to link right to the game: [[Name of game]] ("Quote (optional)")

And as an example: If you want to source a quote from page of Halo Encyclopedia as an example: [Source formatting 1]

And for something like a section from a level in Halo 3: [Source formatting 2]

  1. ^ Halo Encyclopedia - Chapter Six: The Forerunners, page 185 ("The Libarian had a deep respect for humanity, whom she viewed as “special” among all of the sentient life she had catalogued and felt it was well worth the sacrafice of her life to save them.")
  2. ^ Halo 3 - Sierra 117, Quid Pro Quo

And other ways.--SPARTAN-125 Cally99117

Wiki Improvement Poll

In counting down the release of Halo: Reach (Sept 14) and experiencing the end of 10 wonderful years of all that is Bungie, what do you think Halopedia should do to celebrate? - 5əb'7aŋk(7alk) 17:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)