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==Pre-amble== | ==Pre-amble== | ||
For those of you that don't know, the contact of an IRC channel is the user with the highest access, who is responsible for running the channel in collaboration with the higher level ops (in our case, the other Halopedia admins). | For those of you that don't know, the contact of an IRC channel is the user with the highest access, who is responsible for running the channel in collaboration with the higher level ops (in our case, the other Halopedia admins). | ||
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===Reasoning=== | ===Reasoning=== | ||
Now, as to my reasons for wanting contact status: | Now, as to my reasons for wanting contact status: | ||
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===So, what will change?=== | ===So, what will change?=== | ||
'''Nothing.''' | '''Nothing.''' | ||
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==Questions== | ==Questions== | ||
:''Anything I haven't covered above? Feel free to ask any questions here.'' | :''Anything I haven't covered above? Feel free to ask any questions here.'' | ||
==Voting== | ==Voting== | ||
:''Please indicate support or opposition below. If we can keep this nice and tidy that'd be for the best. Anything longer than a couple of lines should probably be in discussion.'' | :''Please indicate support or opposition below. If we can keep this nice and tidy that'd be for the best. Anything longer than a couple of lines should probably be in discussion.'' | ||
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#'''Strong''' {{support}} - from what I've seen, Manticore is obviously the best user to this position. He is very trustworthy user who knows a lot (probably even more than ''I'' do!) about IRC and thus he has my full support. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] <sub>([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|Contact]])</sub> 17:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | #'''Strong''' {{support}} - from what I've seen, Manticore is obviously the best user to this position. He is very trustworthy user who knows a lot (probably even more than ''I'' do!) about IRC and thus he has my full support. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] <sub>([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|Contact]])</sub> 17:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#{{support}} - sure, he atleast has the irc knowlege to be worthy of it. oh, and hes a decent person too. --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]] 18:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | #{{support}} - sure, he atleast has the irc knowlege to be worthy of it. oh, and hes a decent person too. --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]] 18:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#{{support}} --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br | #{{support}} --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br> 19:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#<s>{{support}} --[[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]</sub> <sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]</sup> 19:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC) </s> | #<s>{{support}} --[[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]</sub> <sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]</sup> 19:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC) </s> | ||
#:''I've heard some rumors... And I didn't like what I heard.'' [[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]</sub> <sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]</sup> 19:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | #:''I've heard some rumors... And I didn't like what I heard.'' [[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]</sub> <sup>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]</sup> 19:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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#::AJ is Sgt.johnson, no? I never mentioned him. Why are we bringing him up? As for CR, I was just recalling what we had discussed before. My op status in #halopedia was just an example, I could care less if I ever got it back. Commander Tony and GPT were the two admins who had added me about 5 times, before Manticore decided to stop playing the add/remove game, change my access level to -50, add me to the auto-ban list, and be done with it. Real mature, right? As I said, I could care less about whether the admins then or now approved or disapproved of my #halopedia access, it's not that important. I just used Manticore's way of handling the situation in my oppose reason. I'd be happy to discuss any further issues with you, forgottenlord. --{{User:Charitwo/Sig}} 01:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | #::AJ is Sgt.johnson, no? I never mentioned him. Why are we bringing him up? As for CR, I was just recalling what we had discussed before. My op status in #halopedia was just an example, I could care less if I ever got it back. Commander Tony and GPT were the two admins who had added me about 5 times, before Manticore decided to stop playing the add/remove game, change my access level to -50, add me to the auto-ban list, and be done with it. Real mature, right? As I said, I could care less about whether the admins then or now approved or disapproved of my #halopedia access, it's not that important. I just used Manticore's way of handling the situation in my oppose reason. I'd be happy to discuss any further issues with you, forgottenlord. --{{User:Charitwo/Sig}} 01:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#:::AJ comes up because you claimed that support from channel regulars matters when it comes to being opped. Just like with the CR case, your inability to grasp important details in what was being discussed and drawing different conclusions from the evidence results in many other questions. I'm not positive what changing your access to level -50 does, but if it, on its own, does nothing, it works well as a clear message of "stop f***ing with this" - which, actually, isn't an inappropriate response since other admins were giving you ops without full consultation of the team as is supposed to happen. Adding you to autoban could be for plenty of reasons so if you would be so kind as to provide logs of these incidents, that would be helpful - for all I know, autoban could've been because you'd been bitching at Manticore too much about him removing your ops access. I'm not saying there aren't plenty of reasons to oppose Manticore's being given contact - after all, I did vote against him, myself - nor am I saying that you are wrong with at least some of your claims and have legitimate reason to oppose Manticore on at least some of these grounds. I'm merely saying the evidence you provide conflicts heavily with the evidence I have at my disposal and thus raises serious questions about your claims. As such, your evidence needs to be backed up by more than just your heresay. Truly, from such a perspective, Manticore's word carries more and he has directly disputed your claims. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 02:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | #:::AJ comes up because you claimed that support from channel regulars matters when it comes to being opped. Just like with the CR case, your inability to grasp important details in what was being discussed and drawing different conclusions from the evidence results in many other questions. I'm not positive what changing your access to level -50 does, but if it, on its own, does nothing, it works well as a clear message of "stop f***ing with this" - which, actually, isn't an inappropriate response since other admins were giving you ops without full consultation of the team as is supposed to happen. Adding you to autoban could be for plenty of reasons so if you would be so kind as to provide logs of these incidents, that would be helpful - for all I know, autoban could've been because you'd been bitching at Manticore too much about him removing your ops access. I'm not saying there aren't plenty of reasons to oppose Manticore's being given contact - after all, I did vote against him, myself - nor am I saying that you are wrong with at least some of your claims and have legitimate reason to oppose Manticore on at least some of these grounds. I'm merely saying the evidence you provide conflicts heavily with the evidence I have at my disposal and thus raises serious questions about your claims. As such, your evidence needs to be backed up by more than just your heresay. Truly, from such a perspective, Manticore's word carries more and he has directly disputed your claims. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 02:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#::::It's both your and Manticore's opinion to deem whatever reasonings I give as you well please, however they still are my reasons for opposition. I think changing my access to -50 and autobanning me was an inappropriate way of handling compared to discussing the matter on the admin | #::::It's both your and Manticore's opinion to deem whatever reasonings I give as you well please, however they still are my reasons for opposition. I think changing my access to -50 and autobanning me was an inappropriate way of handling compared to discussing the matter on the admin email list and saying "Hey guys, perhaps we should chat about this Charitwo #halopedia access bit instead of fighting over removing and adding him." My reason is the way he handled it, ''not'' removing it to begin with nor. My statement saying a few channel regulars supported my having ops was just a part of it, it was ''never'' intended to weigh for or against my opinion that he could have handled that situation a little more appropriately, which is my whole reasoning behind #3. Ultimately, it still led up to sannse being the only one allowed to change access for the time being. That incident alone is probably not enough, but combined with what happened with #wikia and this "so called" raid, along with petty incidents in the past across various channels, deems my opinion of this discussion toward opposition. --{{User:Charitwo/Sig}} 02:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#:::::Your attitude is worse than useless. This is why so many votes are not just up/down votes over the issue. We don't need people just rattling off "I vote against you" because what we want is reasoned debate and intelligent discussion. Stating a bunch of claims and then failing to back it up is as bad or worse than just giving a vote - especially when the person you're making the claims about doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. This isn't just about your vote, it's about the reason behind your vote. Why is that important? Because other users and admins can come along and look at these reasons and make INFORMED decisions about how they want to vote with full knowledge of Manticore's history. Furthermore, giving this information may reveal something to Manticore that he wasn't aware of so that he can take corrective action and recognize his flaws and failings. It becomes worse than useless because as it is, your sole result is creating bitter feelings while providing nothing that can be used for constructive gain by this community or any of its individuals. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | #:::::Your attitude is worse than useless. This is why so many votes are not just up/down votes over the issue. We don't need people just rattling off "I vote against you" because what we want is reasoned debate and intelligent discussion. Stating a bunch of claims and then failing to back it up is as bad or worse than just giving a vote - especially when the person you're making the claims about doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. This isn't just about your vote, it's about the reason behind your vote. Why is that important? Because other users and admins can come along and look at these reasons and make INFORMED decisions about how they want to vote with full knowledge of Manticore's history. Furthermore, giving this information may reveal something to Manticore that he wasn't aware of so that he can take corrective action and recognize his flaws and failings. It becomes worse than useless because as it is, your sole result is creating bitter feelings while providing nothing that can be used for constructive gain by this community or any of its individuals. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#:::::PS: I'm actually quite interested in your claims being proven as they're the first claims against Manticore's handling of the bureaucratic side rather than just the moderation side (of which we have MORE than enough) --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | #:::::PS: I'm actually quite interested in your claims being proven as they're the first claims against Manticore's handling of the bureaucratic side rather than just the moderation side (of which we have MORE than enough) --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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#:Maybe he won't abuse his power if he's contact...After all, he is "srz admonin". I'm staying out of this one now. [[User:BananaCat|<span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Banana</span>]][http://halopedian.com/User_profile:BananaCat <span style="color: #7D4E28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Cat</span>] <sup>[http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:UserBoard&user=BananaCat <span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Message Me</span>]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/BananaCat|<span style="color: #7D4E28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Edits</span>]] </sub><sup>[[Special:Editcount/BananaCat|<span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Stats</span>]]</sup> 14:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | #:Maybe he won't abuse his power if he's contact...After all, he is "srz admonin". I'm staying out of this one now. [[User:BananaCat|<span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Banana</span>]][http://halopedian.com/User_profile:BananaCat <span style="color: #7D4E28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Cat</span>] <sup>[http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:UserBoard&user=BananaCat <span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Message Me</span>]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/BananaCat|<span style="color: #7D4E28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Edits</span>]] </sub><sup>[[Special:Editcount/BananaCat|<span style="color: #577D28; font-family: Die Nasty; font-size: 12pt;">Stats</span>]]</sup> 14:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | ||
#{{Oppose}} After a lot of thought, I've decided to oppose. In truth, I believe that it is desirable to have the contact be a Halopedian, but in truth, I don't see any satisfactory options for such a contact. Indeed, only Dragonclaws would I, at the time, consider for the position and even then, his present lack of activity makes him illsuited for such a job. We can operate satisfactorily for now with Sannse as contact. While Contact is a bureaucratic position, the reality is that IRC requires moderation as its most important skill and giving you what is, in some ways, a promotion with a clear history of poor moderation actions simply goes against what I believe to be proper. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 01:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | #{{Oppose}} After a lot of thought, I've decided to oppose. In truth, I believe that it is desirable to have the contact be a Halopedian, but in truth, I don't see any satisfactory options for such a contact. Indeed, only Dragonclaws would I, at the time, consider for the position and even then, his present lack of activity makes him illsuited for such a job. We can operate satisfactorily for now with Sannse as contact. While Contact is a bureaucratic position, the reality is that IRC requires moderation as its most important skill and giving you what is, in some ways, a promotion with a clear history of poor moderation actions simply goes against what I believe to be proper. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 01:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
#<s>{{Oppose}} As has been stated above, the many times of abuse of power. You've been a nice guy, usually a silent one, but there have been plenty of times (some quoted on my IRC quote page, as ShadowyLeftHand linked to earlier) where you've banned for no good reason. Sorry man. --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br | #<s>{{Oppose}} As has been stated above, the many times of abuse of power. You've been a nice guy, usually a silent one, but there have been plenty of times (some quoted on my IRC quote page, as ShadowyLeftHand linked to earlier) where you've banned for no good reason. Sorry man. --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br> 14:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)</s> | ||
##Sorry, I'm a little confused. You [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Halopedia:IRC_Channel/Contact&diff=546496&oldid=546428 supported here]. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 05:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC) | ##Sorry, I'm a little confused. You [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Halopedia:IRC_Channel/Contact&diff=546496&oldid=546428 supported here]. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 05:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC) | ||