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== Skirmishes Section == | == Skirmishes Section == | ||
I think the section should be summarized and have links instead of jamming everything. It looks messy and also surpasses the Wiki Standards. Maybe recreate the articles again? [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt></font>]][[ | I think the section should be summarized and have links instead of jamming everything. It looks messy and also surpasses the Wiki Standards. Maybe recreate the articles again? [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt></font>]][[halofanon:Category:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt></font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt></font>]] - File:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 20:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:- :Agreed. However, Ajax, HaloDude, Simon rjh, and I had an argument and I was out-voted :( Therefore, I'm afraid it will have to stay as is, unless the other admins agree with us. [[Help:Rollback|<font color="#100000">Ri</font><font color="#600000">ck</font><font color="#A80000">rol</font><font color="#D00000">ler</font>]][[User:ImperatorExercitus|<font color="#404040">Gen</font><font color="#909090">eral</font><font color="#C0C0C0">ÌṂρεσάḹόґ</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:ImperatorExercitus|<font color="black">My</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/ImperatorExercitus|<font color="violet">Victories</font>]]File:Cavalier_achievement.gif|28px]]</sub> 20:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | :- :Agreed. However, Ajax, HaloDude, Simon rjh, and I had an argument and I was out-voted :( Therefore, I'm afraid it will have to stay as is, unless the other admins agree with us. [[Help:Rollback|<font color="#100000">Ri</font><font color="#600000">ck</font><font color="#A80000">rol</font><font color="#D00000">ler</font>]][[User:ImperatorExercitus|<font color="#404040">Gen</font><font color="#909090">eral</font><font color="#C0C0C0">ÌṂρεσάḹόґ</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:ImperatorExercitus|<font color="black">My</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/ImperatorExercitus|<font color="violet">Victories</font>]]File:Cavalier_achievement.gif|28px]]</sub> 20:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:Huh...and where does it state that on the policy? So far, I haven't found it. | :Huh...and where does it state that on the policy? So far, I haven't found it. | ||
Well, if there is such policy (Weird, I've been here for so long, I didn't notice it...), I'm guessing we could at least get rid of the disorganized Battle Infobox.[[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt></font>]][[ | Well, if there is such policy (Weird, I've been here for so long, I didn't notice it...), I'm guessing we could at least get rid of the disorganized Battle Infobox.[[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt></font>]][[halofanon:Category:Subtank|<font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt></font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt></font>]] - File:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 20:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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I prefer the original image because it shows the final result of the battle, which fits really well.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:01, 28 August 2016 (EDT) | I prefer the original image because it shows the final result of the battle, which fits really well.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 11:01, 28 August 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Concurrent Battles - New Halopedians, Old Issues == | |||
Whilst I’m not advocating for deleting all of the articles on the concurrent battles, I’m not sure if all of them are notable enough to warrant their own articles. [[Talk:Outbreak at the Containment Facility|As discussed here nearly 9 years ago]], we have to be careful with creating unnecessary articles that could simply be covered in the main article. Even with new information from Fireteam Raven, this could open a can of worms in the future. Just a point for your consideration. —<span style="font-family: Eurostile;">'''[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:#000;">SPARTAN</span>]][[User talk:Spartan331|<span style="color:#888;">331</span>]]'''</span> 20:45, December 31, 2019 (EST) | |||
:I'm not sure you're wrong about that either. Some might be notable enough to have their own sections, but not all. I'd say [[Mission to Destroy Installation 04]] is unnecessary for one or at least should get a better title.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 23:04, December 31, 2019 (EST) | |||
::I'm definitely open to suggestions about the name of that article, its largely a "I couldn't think of anything better" thing. However, given the additional info from the last level of Fireteam Raven, I felt it was a large enough scale engagement to justify a dedicated page (though the page being created before I actually got round to being able to sit and write it did put a hamper on some of my plans). | |||
::I'll briefly talk through the thought process here because it was discussed a fair bit in Discord but not so much outside (as an aside - all page names are more than welcome for better name suggestions). | |||
*Battle Over felt necessary to properly cover the fleet actions and boarding above the ring in the opening stages in sufficient detail, given we have 5-6 different sources and perspectives on the matter. | |||
*Landings was another one created to manage what we have as ''a lot''of information on many diffferent concurrent events, but to also give the First Battle/ UNSC capture of Alpha Base a home. As it stands, the way the articles like Truth and Rec., Alpha Base and Containment were structured felt extremely disjointed, but of course the first Alpha Base battle wasn't notable enough alone to deserve a full page. | |||
*Similarly, the T&R raid page was to split up the raid to rescue Capt. Keyes, and the large battle near the end of the conflict into distinct events because of the pages feeling disjointed. | |||
*The Raid on the Autumn was a pretty major engagement on the ring as far as they go, and that page was made because the wiki as it stood barely mentioned it. | |||
*Outbreak and Silent Cartographer were pages already existing. However, TSC, the Assault on the Control Room and the majority of pages left to cover on battles during the 04 campaign I do agree should be merged with the main page (having not touched cartographer and only created AOTCR by merging the Halo Nation page). | |||
::Let me know what you think of these plans. The way me(and CMDRRileySV for Reach/Earth) have been looking to structure the battles side of the site is to treat planets like Campaigns, and create "battle hubs" with a lot of detailed information on each one, taking influence from how wikipedia structures the Western Front of WW2 (and other similar theatres) and how Wookipedia looks at the Outer Rim Sieges in the Clone Wars. The hope then is to treat a page like Harvest Campaign/ Battle of Reach/Earth/04 as a general overview to the larger campaign on the planetary body, with detailed specific links to ground engagements where necessary. Information from lootcrate, Halo 5 and FTR means a lot of events have a lot more detailed information than can (or should) be reasonably included in the main Battle of 04 page, as I want to avoid [[John-117]] syndrome. I'm definitely open to suggestions as after merging over the AOTCR page from Halo Nation and doing some touch ups, I agree some engagements I planned to include don't have quite as much page potential as I'd initially thought.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 11:58, January 1, 2020 (EST) | |||
[Reset indent] So this article's major overhaul and rewrite is nearly complete, so I figured I'd just update on this discussion. As it stands, [[Template:Engagements in the Battle of Installation 04]] still retains links to pretty much all of the smaller battles in the Installation 04 campaign, but many of the smaller engagements (such as McKay's ambush on the Covenant or the Pillar of Autumn's destruction) now instead link directly to sections on this page, while others such as the Battle of Alpha Base with a lot of detail to go into have parent pages that delve into the finer details of unit deployments etc while leaving a general overview on the hub Battle of Installation 04 page. I'd welcome some feedback as to what articles should be kept and what should be incorporated into this page. As it stands, I intend to keep the Raid on the Library on this page, and the Silent Cartographer and AOTCR on their own pages, though I'm still unsure (following my passover on the AOTCR page) whether they'll necessarily need their own pages. The Battle for T&R page will really delve into some of the finer details of the capture of the ship by Silva and co, so I feel it best to keep it separate. | |||
Thoughts are appreciated.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 11:16, February 7, 2020 (EST) | |||