Forum:Probation usergroup for Vandals in rehabilitation

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Just recently on Destinypedia we implemented a new usergroup for vandals or other banned users who may petition for a second chance on the wiki; Probation. If you all agree, this usegroup would allow us to give vandals and others another chance to do right by the community, albeit with minimum user rights - they cannot make edits or erase edits larger than 1500 bytes. They would also be restricted from editing the userboards of others to prevent spamming, but they can still upload images. Their usergroup color would be a brownish one which would allow be easy to spot in recent changes lists for sysyops and other staff who may need to revert it. So if you guys all agree, I can ask Porplemontage to set it up here asap.

If anyone has any questions or doubts please feel free to ask me so I can clear up any misunderstandings or questions!

Votes

1. Oppose -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 18:23, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
2. Oppose. See my comment. — subtank 09:41, 6 May 2017 (EDT)
3. Oppose -- See comment.--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs} 11:37, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
4. Oppose. Comment below. Smoke^{Sound off!} 09:30, 14 May 2017 (EDT)

Comments

I'd rather see how it works on Destinypedia before we implement something like it here. My suspicion is that it would have a high rate of rescidivism or simple dropoff. And if they wanted to contribute then they shouldn't have vandalised the site in the first place. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat of Morheka} 18:23, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

I understand your position and i agree completely. However there are some people who may have sincerely changed, whether through a personal experience, or simply a change of heart and want to join the community again. This program is not meant to be a dropoff for every vandal that comes begging, such a policy would only serve as a minor consequence or punitive measure for those the administration, after reviewing the request, deem truly remorseful and sincere in their desire to rejoin us. Now of course we would not advertise this either. However if a vandal ceases to cause us problems, and contacts the administration seeking an unban, if they feel he is real, and after setting whatever terms they will, this would serve as the leash so to speak to ensure they keep in line. It can last for as long or as little as the administration determines. Never the less I respect your wisdom and knowledge. Thank you for your input. Arcmind ^{Execute long hold for reactivation. AI-COM/ACMD SIGNOFF} 20:03, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

Instead of creating such usergroup, what the administration team can do instead is banning the offenders for a limited time rather than for indefinitely. This would serve the same purpose as the proposal but with less work (and implementation) on the part of the administration team. We have the ban logs to track each user and the banning period can be extended accordingly. An alternative is to contact the administration team on Discord. — subtank 09:41, 6 May 2017 (EDT)

Similar views to Subtank and Morhek. Apart from the user from earlier this year, we don't get enough vandalism to necessitate implementing something like this. Plus in my own experience, these users never have any initiative to change and turn into a good user. I'd rather just do as we've done in the past.--Spartacus ^{Talk • Contribs} 11:37, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

If the user in question didn't have the sense to not be a screw-up in the first place, giving them a second chance isn't going to fix them, and will simply cause more work for other users who have to clean up the inevitable mess they will create. I go with what Subtank said above - just don't block indefinitely the first time around. If they come back and act a fool again, out the door they go, permanently.

Looking around, vandalism around here hasn't been too much of an issue since we left Wikia, so this isn't even necessary. Smoke^{Sound off!} 09:37, 14 May 2017 (EDT)