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For posts before the 8th of August, 2009, see [[Talk:Sangheili/Archive 1|here]].<!--Do not remove this notice--> | For posts before the 8th of August, 2009, see [[Talk:Sangheili/Archive 1|here]].<!--Do not remove this notice--> | ||
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I recently edited the page to include information on the Elites "roaring" animation in Halo 2 and 3, and I would like to add an image of such (from Halo 3) to the page.... but I am a noob in such matters and figured it might be better for somebody else to do so. Would anybody be willing to do this (I have the image on my computer already)? | I recently edited the page to include information on the Elites "roaring" animation in Halo 2 and 3, and I would like to add an image of such (from Halo 3) to the page.... but I am a noob in such matters and figured it might be better for somebody else to do so. Would anybody be willing to do this (I have the image on my computer already)? | ||
:I don't have the time ''right'' now, but tomorrow I can guide you through the process. In the meantime, head to [[Help:Images]] for help on uploading images and adding them to articles, and use [[Special:Upload]] for the actual uploading stuff. When uploading an image, the description can and should use wiki-formatting ([[Help:Links|links]], etc.) to describe what's in the page. If you could head to [[User:DavidJCobb|my profile]] and post a link to this talk page (<code><nowiki>[[Talk:Sangheili#Image]]</nowiki></code>) as a comment, that'd be helpful as a reminder. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :I don't have the time ''right'' now, but tomorrow I can guide you through the process. In the meantime, head to [[Help:Images]] for help on uploading images and adding them to articles, and use [[Special:Upload]] for the actual uploading stuff. When uploading an image, the description can and should use wiki-formatting ([[Help:Links|links]], etc.) to describe what's in the page. If you could head to [[User:DavidJCobb|my profile]] and post a link to this talk page (<code><nowiki>[[Talk:Sangheili#Image]]</nowiki></code>) as a comment, that'd be helpful as a reminder. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 02:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
Here is the image in question: | Here is the image in question: An Elite roars in Halo 3. | ||
Is there something wrong with it, should I find a different one? (I have several). It got deleted as soon as I put it on the page. - [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] | Is there something wrong with it, should I find a different one? (I have several). It got deleted as soon as I put it on the page. - [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] | ||
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Thanks for answering. Actually I just read that apparently in the Halo 3 multiplayer, if you play as an Elite, you can choose to make them female, though this just changes the voice-over, not the model, and the multiplayer is non-canon anyway. Good for me, because I came with a REALLY weird idea for Elite females not too long ago.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 02:21, October 14, 2009 (UTC) | Thanks for answering. Actually I just read that apparently in the Halo 3 multiplayer, if you play as an Elite, you can choose to make them female, though this just changes the voice-over, not the model, and the multiplayer is non-canon anyway. Good for me, because I came with a REALLY weird idea for Elite females not too long ago.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 02:21, October 14, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|And in fact they are so alike in voice and appearance, they are often mistaken for Sangheili men. This has given rise to the belief that there ''are'' no Sangheili women, and that we simply spring out of holes in the ground! Which of course is ridiculous|Field Master 'Gimlee}} | {{Quote|And in fact they are so alike in voice and appearance, they are often mistaken for Sangheili men. This has given rise to the belief that there ''are'' no Sangheili women, and that we simply spring out of holes in the ground! Which of course is ridiculous|Field Master 'Gimlee}} | ||
Sorry, couldn't resist :D | Sorry, couldn't resist :D | ||
For a long time, there was debate about whether the Sangheili even had two genders. Some speculated that they asexually reproduced. Even when Bungie confirmed that Sangheili took mates, they refused to believe it, and spun off on wild tangents about eggs coming out of mouths and other wierdness. San'jik, and then The Cole Protocol, thankfully put a stop to that. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | For a long time, there was debate about whether the Sangheili even had two genders. Some speculated that they asexually reproduced. Even when Bungie confirmed that Sangheili took mates, they refused to believe it, and spun off on wild tangents about eggs coming out of mouths and other wierdness. San'jik, and then The Cole Protocol, thankfully put a stop to that. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, I did come up with this one theory that involved Elite females being three-inch long bloodsuckers. But maybe Bungie's keeping secret for some reason. Maybe they have something planned... Or maybe they're just lazy.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 19:54, October 14, 2009 (UTC) | Yeah, I did come up with this one theory that involved Elite females being three-inch long bloodsuckers. But maybe Bungie's keeping secret for some reason. Maybe they have something planned... Or maybe they're just lazy.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 19:54, October 14, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Yeah, well the measurements in most official canon sources are measured using the English system, and in any case, both measurement systems are often shown in articles. Stop re-adding them - either add it alongside what's already there or leave it completely alone altogether. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:02, November 3, 2009 (UTC) | :Yeah, well the measurements in most official canon sources are measured using the English system, and in any case, both measurement systems are often shown in articles. Stop re-adding them - either add it alongside what's already there or leave it completely alone altogether. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:02, November 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Also, if they haven't been mentioned in the ''Halo Universe'', they don't get an article and are not to be added into an article. You'd better read | :Also, if they haven't been mentioned in the ''Halo Universe'', they don't get an article and are not to be added into an article. You'd better read this for reference. - [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup>([[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]])</sup> 17:04, November 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::As per Smoke. Also, <code>|weight=</code> parameter doesn't exist, so please stop adding it to the template.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:12, November 3, 2009 (UTC) | ::As per Smoke. Also, <code>|weight=</code> parameter doesn't exist, so please stop adding it to the template.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:12, November 3, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Umm... crazy thought. Can't we just post measurements in '''both''' metric and imperial? Of course we can. That way everybody's happy.-- | Umm... crazy thought. Can't we just post measurements in '''both''' metric and imperial? Of course we can. That way everybody's happy.--[[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 02:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:From reading the posts, I think (and may be wrong) that the issues are: | :From reading the posts, I think (and may be wrong) that the issues are: | ||
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:*Baryon removing (some of?) the English measurements | :*Baryon removing (some of?) the English measurements | ||
:*Baryon insulting people in a rather immature manner. | :*Baryon insulting people in a rather immature manner. | ||
:The problem is that switching the order isn't really allowed, I don't think -- whatever order was used when the article was created, I think, stays. There's also a rule against editing a page ''exclusively'' to change the dialect between American and British English, though I don't quite remember where I read that. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :The problem is that switching the order isn't really allowed, I don't think -- whatever order was used when the article was created, I think, stays. There's also a rule against editing a page ''exclusively'' to change the dialect between American and British English, though I don't quite remember where I read that. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 03:02, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:If you noticed, Rusty, I said he could do both. That was before SHTF. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | :If you noticed, Rusty, I said he could do both. That was before SHTF. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
I'm not aware of any actual ''policy'' on changing measurements and spelling to english, or which is "preferred", but we do discourage it. ''Heavily''. | I'm not aware of any actual ''policy'' on changing measurements and spelling to english, or which is "preferred", but we do discourage it. ''Heavily''. Forerunner has a blog up on the issue, and I agree with it, but it's not actual hard policy. But it is very minor editing, and adds little that is constructive to the article. Since the majority of our viewers and most of our members are from the US, which uses the Imperial system and has different (read - strange) spelling, that's what we use. It's not better, it's just tailored to our demographic. As for Baryon's point on whether the UNSC use the Metric or the Imperial system, I don't think we know, nor do I care - until there is a character that explicitly says something along the lines of "I can't believe they used to use feet or inches," we don't know that the Imperial system has been abandoned. Metric is convenient, but Imperial has its advantages too. | ||
And can I just ask something? We have Subtank, Manticore and myself as part of the administration who live in decidedly non-American parts of the world. Why would the decision to use both measurements be "patriotism"? And can patriotism even encompass ''units of measurement''? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 07:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | And can I just ask something? We have Subtank, Manticore and myself as part of the administration who live in decidedly non-American parts of the world. Why would the decision to use both measurements be "patriotism"? And can patriotism even encompass ''units of measurement''? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 07:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I got confused once people started saying about how this was involved in patriotism. I use Australian spelling and grammar in real life, but on halopedia I am constantly undoing edits from people who wish to change it from American spelling. Does that make me unpatriotic? In any case, the English system was used here first, so it takes importance over the metric system. If you get told multiple times to leave it, then leave it. If it decided that it would be more efficient to use both, then use both. Also FYI Byron: "Halopedia is not a democracy". | I got confused once people started saying about how this was involved in patriotism. I use Australian spelling and grammar in real life, but on halopedia I am constantly undoing edits from people who wish to change it from American spelling. Does that make me unpatriotic? In any case, the English system was used here first, so it takes importance over the metric system. If you get told multiple times to leave it, then leave it. If it decided that it would be more efficient to use both, then use both. Also FYI Byron: "Halopedia is not a democracy". | ||
~[[ | ~[[wikia:User:Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Now You Know,'''</font>]] ~ [[halowikia:Special: Contributions/Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''That Flattery Will Get You Nowhere.'''</font>]]~ 07:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane | ||
If the Immperial/English system is still used in the UNSC, it's scarcly. The only canon source that uses the English system is the Cole Protocol, but Buckell made many mistakes regarding measurements in that book, the Elites, for exmaple, used inches, hours and years instead of units and cycles. The Encylopedia uses both, but that is because it is written from outside the universe (if you know what I mean, english not first language, soz), unlike the books and games. | If the Immperial/English system is still used in the UNSC, it's scarcly. The only canon source that uses the English system is the Cole Protocol, but Buckell made many mistakes regarding measurements in that book, the Elites, for exmaple, used inches, hours and years instead of units and cycles. The Encylopedia uses both, but that is because it is written from outside the universe (if you know what I mean, english not first language, soz), unlike the books and games. | ||
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Then what about the council elites they are somewhat protectors right? and you fight only 1 of them in the level Gravemind(Halo 2) | Then what about the council elites they are somewhat protectors right? and you fight only 1 of them in the level Gravemind(Halo 2) | ||
I thought Honor Guard Councilors were the highest ranking guardians of a Prophet. They really were, weren't they? [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo</b></span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Youngrubby|<span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span> | I thought Honor Guard Councilors were the highest ranking guardians of a Prophet. They really were, weren't they? [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo</b></span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Youngrubby|<span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby<span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 18:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== HALO WARS ELITES == | == HALO WARS ELITES == | ||
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:Problem is that the current ones might not be the finalised version. The ones from the Bestiarum would do just fine for now.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 04:34, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | :Problem is that the current ones might not be the finalised version. The ones from the Bestiarum would do just fine for now.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 04:34, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Not to mention there's the problem that some of the ranks haven't appeared since Halo 2 (i.e. Ultras)-- | ::Not to mention there's the problem that some of the ranks haven't appeared since Halo 2 (i.e. Ultras)--[[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]]UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 05:03, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
: Yeah, we may keep the rank pics that dont show in any other Halo game, and we may keep older ones for to show what they look like back then.[[User talk:SalemElliot|SalemElliot]] 07:20, January 30, 2010 (UTC) | : Yeah, we may keep the rank pics that dont show in any other Halo game, and we may keep older ones for to show what they look like back then.[[User talk:SalemElliot|SalemElliot]] 07:20, January 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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How come the new image of the Halo: Reach elite shows him with a plasma pistol, because I doubt they would ever use it in campaign, does this mean they will be again available in multiplayer ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 16:38, January 29, 2010 (UTC)) | How come the new image of the Halo: Reach elite shows him with a plasma pistol, because I doubt they would ever use it in campaign, does this mean they will be again available in multiplayer ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 16:38, January 29, 2010 (UTC)) | ||
:Probably just a coincidence with the image. Sangheili are capable of wielding a Plasma Pistol, though they never do so in capaign normally. Perhaps they will be available in multiplayer, though I'm not positively sure. - | :Probably just a coincidence with the image. Sangheili are capable of wielding a Plasma Pistol, though they never do so in capaign normally. Perhaps they will be available in multiplayer, though I'm not positively sure. - [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 16:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::In the first Level of Halo 2 you can engage a Sangheili who is wielding two Plasma Pistols. ND {{Unsigned|79.240.129.206}} | ::In the first Level of Halo 2 you can engage a Sangheili who is wielding two Plasma Pistols. ND {{Unsigned|79.240.129.206}} | ||
:::What are you talking about? I've never seen an Elite with pp in any game. [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 15:47, January 30, 2010 (UTC) | :::What are you talking about? I've never seen an Elite with pp in any game. [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 15:47, January 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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I know that is I fought by someones side for our very survival, I wouldn't become their enemy again, and the Sangheili respect humans, so why go to war with them again? Aye, they probably went back to ignoring eachother, but that wouldn't have been very beneficial for either side would it? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 22:28, February 22, 2010 (UTC) | I know that is I fought by someones side for our very survival, I wouldn't become their enemy again, and the Sangheili respect humans, so why go to war with them again? Aye, they probably went back to ignoring eachother, but that wouldn't have been very beneficial for either side would it? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 22:28, February 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:OH LOOK! A NERD! --[[User:Tyrone111|<span style="color:#CF1020">Tyrone</span> | :OH LOOK! A NERD! --[[User:Tyrone111|<span style="color:#CF1020">Tyrone</span>]] [[User Talk:Tyrone111|<span style="color:#801818"><sup>The mastermind would like to speak!</sup></span>]] 23:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::thats not true the venus flytrap turned on the chief and arb after helping them kill truth {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 07:21, February 23, 2010 (UTC) | ::thats not true the venus flytrap turned on the chief and arb after helping them kill truth {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 07:21, February 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Aye, but what was there to stop them returning once they were repaired? OH and if they really wanted, they could have left the humans behind on the ark while they left if they really wanted to. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 06:28, February 24, 2010 (UTC) | ::Aye, but what was there to stop them returning once they were repaired? OH and if they really wanted, they could have left the humans behind on the ark while they left if they really wanted to. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 06:28, February 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::that would be a mean prank ;o {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 00:39, February 25, 2010 (UTC) | :::that would be a mean prank ;o {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 00:39, February 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::After the [[Battle of Installation 00]] the Elites began rebuilding while also destroying the remainder of [[Loyalist]] forces, which took [[7]] years. They remained friendly with the humans and they broadcasted on the same channels. I read this somewhere specifically on Halopedia...[[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]] 01:14, September 8, 2010 (UTC) | :::After the [[Battle of Installation 00]] the Elites began rebuilding while also destroying the remainder of [[Loyalist]] forces, which took [[Seven|7]] years. They remained friendly with the humans and they broadcasted on the same channels. I read this somewhere specifically on Halopedia...[[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]] 01:14, September 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Ee Suffix and Ai Suffix == | == Ee Suffix and Ai Suffix == | ||
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:Seems it's pronounced just the same as I always have. "Sang-Hee-Lee". [[User talk:Hitodama|Hitodama]] 08:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | :Seems it's pronounced just the same as I always have. "Sang-Hee-Lee". [[User talk:Hitodama|Hitodama]] 08:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I personally pronounce it "Sang-Heel-I", but I would suspect that's not correct, given other sources. - | ::I personally pronounce it "Sang-Heel-I", but I would suspect that's not correct, given other sources. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 23:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::<code>"Sung-Hay-Lee"</code>, if pronounced, sounds better in my opinion.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 23:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | :::<code>"Sung-Hay-Lee"</code>, if pronounced, sounds better in my opinion.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 23:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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The word seems Latin. Prenounced Latin it is Sang-HEEL-ee with a short A. When in doubt, turn to the Romans. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:44, July 17, 2010 (UTC) | The word seems Latin. Prenounced Latin it is Sang-HEEL-ee with a short A. When in doubt, turn to the Romans. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:44, July 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I think that it is pronounced Sang-Hell-ie | |||
[[User talk:REACHSURVIVES|REACHSURVIVES]] 18:01, 5 December 2011 (EST) | |||
== Intelligence/Honor == | == Intelligence/Honor == | ||
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:Can you please remove the excess links such as UNSC and Covenant? Also, please source/reference the information you added.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 16:30, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | :Can you please remove the excess links such as UNSC and Covenant? Also, please source/reference the information you added.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 16:30, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I killed those excess links but I'm gonna have to be honest...I don't really know how to put in the little source box things. I pretty much referred at least one example for each point though. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 17:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | ::I killed those excess links but I'm gonna have to be honest...I don't really know how to put in the little source box things. I pretty much referred at least one example for each point though. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 17:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::I suggest checking | :::I suggest checking this project overview.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 17:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Sangheili Sword == | == Sangheili Sword == | ||
In Halo Legends, in the episode were the Arbider goes on a suicidal rampage killing hundreds of Covenant, he fights a high ranking elite and is killed. But thats not whats important. Whats important is that the high ranking elite had a huge metal sword instead of the standard-issue energy sword. It was shaped like an eneragy sword though. Does this mean that the Elites came up with the original design for the energy sword? --Bustie24 02:17, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | In Halo Legends, in the episode were the Arbider goes on a suicidal rampage killing hundreds of Covenant, he fights a high ranking elite and is killed. But thats not whats important. Whats important is that the high ranking elite had a huge metal sword instead of the standard-issue energy sword. It was shaped like an eneragy sword though. Does this mean that the Elites came up with the original design for the energy sword? --Bustie24 02:17, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Until we have a source we can't say anything.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span> | :Until we have a source we can't say anything.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:22, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I believe thier's a source for that in the Evolutions story "the return" [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 19:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | :I believe thier's a source for that in the Evolutions story "the return" [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 19:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::That would be the [[Curveblade]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:53, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | ::That would be the [[Curveblade]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:53, May 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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i dont realy have a profile[[Special:Contributions/72.207.53.171|72.207.53.171]] 02:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | i dont realy have a profile[[Special:Contributions/72.207.53.171|72.207.53.171]] 02:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
We know that Jackals and Brutes eat human corpses, and Grunts may as well, but I doubt Elites do. For one thing, they have a warrior pride - such acts would be regarded as beneath them. For another, I think they find it just as disgusting as we do. The other species have no such compunctions. As for why Elites have to be "bad", I'll assume you're talking about Reach. It's a prequel, taking place before the first Halo game, before the Elites split from the Covenant. And while they may be enemies, I don't think they're "bad" - they're warriors, doing what they do best. And as for Elite reproduction - nobody knows. Its a mystery. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | We know that Jackals and Brutes eat human corpses, and Grunts may as well, but I doubt Elites do. For one thing, they have a warrior pride - such acts would be regarded as beneath them. For another, I think they find it just as disgusting as we do. The other species have no such compunctions. As for why Elites have to be "bad", I'll assume you're talking about Reach. It's a prequel, taking place before the first Halo game, before the Elites split from the Covenant. And while they may be enemies, I don't think they're "bad" - they're warriors, doing what they do best. And as for Elite reproduction - nobody knows. Its a mystery. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 10:25, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
That's sort of what I meant, if you had the choice between eating the corpse of someone you never met before or starving to death what would you do? I personally would eat it (remembering its this or die). That's the sort of thing I meant by ''times of desperation''. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | That's sort of what I meant, if you had the choice between eating the corpse of someone you never met before or starving to death what would you do? I personally would eat it (remembering its this or die). That's the sort of thing I meant by ''times of desperation''. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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ok, on the template, the ranks don't appear to be organized in any paticular order. Shouldn't they be in order from lowest to highest? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 18:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC) | ok, on the template, the ranks don't appear to be organized in any paticular order. Shouldn't they be in order from lowest to highest? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 18:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:No, it goes from highest to lowest. The template is fine and is in correct order. -- | :No, it goes from highest to lowest. The template is fine and is in correct order. -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Have you looked at it? The ranks are not in order from lowest to highest. The rank on the top is Councilor, and the one on the bottom is Arbiter. I am 99.9% sure that Arbiter is one rank above Councilor, so how could they be the first and last ranks? Plus, if you're saying the template is in the right order, then you're saying Minor outranks Arbiter, Honor Guardsman, Ranger, etc. Last time I checked, Minor was the lowest rank. So it should be last, not in the middle. | ::Have you looked at it? The ranks are not in order from lowest to highest. The rank on the top is Councilor, and the one on the bottom is Arbiter. I am 99.9% sure that Arbiter is one rank above Councilor, so how could they be the first and last ranks? Plus, if you're saying the template is in the right order, then you're saying Minor outranks Arbiter, Honor Guardsman, Ranger, etc. Last time I checked, Minor was the lowest rank. So it should be last, not in the middle. | ||
::P.S. I am not talking about the rank template. I am talking about the template at the top right of the page. [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 17:44, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ::P.S. I am not talking about the rank template. I am talking about the template at the top right of the page. [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 17:44, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Ah, my mistake. I was looking at a different template. Sorry about that. :P -- | :::Ah, my mistake. I was looking at a different template. Sorry about that. :P -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 17:52, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::I fixed the template to its correct order. Arbiter is not a rank, it's a title. Once an Elite is shamed, he is stripped of his current rank and is forced to hold the new title, not a rank. It is true that he becomes in control of nearly the entire Covenant, but it is still not considered as a rank in the Covenant. -- | :::I fixed the template to its correct order. Arbiter is not a rank, it's a title. Once an Elite is shamed, he is stripped of his current rank and is forced to hold the new title, not a rank. It is true that he becomes in control of nearly the entire Covenant, but it is still not considered as a rank in the Covenant. -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 18:08, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
A few weeks ago they were lowest to highest in their respective sections, but now they're all muddled up. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | A few weeks ago they were lowest to highest in their respective sections, but now they're all muddled up. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Wrong. The template was like this for years. The only changes were the files and fixes to the descriptions. -- | :Wrong. The template was like this for years. The only changes were the files and fixes to the descriptions. -- [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I've added the general and field marshall ranks, can someone clean it and add the links please. I am right about the main table (though I concede the ranks section in the infobox is fine), I was refering to the good old days when SpecOps officer was under the SpecOps section. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 18:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC) Eh? Any reason why they were deleted? [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 07:51, July 25, 2010 (UTC) | :I've added the general and field marshall ranks, can someone clean it and add the links please. I am right about the main table (though I concede the ranks section in the infobox is fine), I was refering to the good old days when SpecOps officer was under the SpecOps section. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 18:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC) Eh? Any reason why they were deleted? [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 07:51, July 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Lots of games do this. For example, Smash Bros. Brawl has its opening theme in Latin but its translation takes many liberties with Latin grammar. Regardless, '''BOTH''' translations are kept on SmashWiki, not just the "correct" one, since the "incorrect" one is given in-game and is thus canon(see here:[[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_Main_Theme]]). If you don't like it, note it in the trivia section, but don't put it in the main intro, as it will look out of place and disrupt the flow of the article.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''''</span>]]'' 02:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)'' | ::Lots of games do this. For example, Smash Bros. Brawl has its opening theme in Latin but its translation takes many liberties with Latin grammar. Regardless, '''BOTH''' translations are kept on SmashWiki, not just the "correct" one, since the "incorrect" one is given in-game and is thus canon(see here:[[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_Main_Theme]]). If you don't like it, note it in the trivia section, but don't put it in the main intro, as it will look out of place and disrupt the flow of the article.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''''</span>]]'' 02:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)'' | ||
Yeah, also there are a lot of translations to that : ''macto''= reward, honor, punish, trouble, slaughter, kill, offer, sacrifice, immolate and ''cognatus''= related by blood, kindred, related, connected, like, similar, a blood relation, blood relative, kinsman. | Yeah, also there are a lot of translations to that : ''macto''= reward, honor, punish, trouble, slaughter, kill, offer, sacrifice, immolate and ''cognatus''= related by blood, kindred, related, connected, like, similar, a blood relation, blood relative, kinsman. <font style="background:white">[[User:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:red">Alpha Lima Echo Xray</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 09:35, July 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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6. They could be with the Councilors, but I doubt that. | 6. They could be with the Councilors, but I doubt that. | ||
Hope that helped. -- | Hope that helped. --[[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:25, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Nooooo, Bungie never makes mistake though! Ur deluded! >:O[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 00:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC) | Nooooo, Bungie never makes mistake though! Ur deluded! >:O[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 00:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:We don't have any information, I'm afraid. Thel is at least 23 in Halo 3.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:15, 5 December 2010 (EST) | :We don't have any information, I'm afraid. Thel is at least 23 in Halo 3.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:15, 5 December 2010 (EST) | ||
::No, Thel's gotta be older than 23. Unless you think he can fight humans in combat and hold the rank of Shipmaster when he was 5 or 6 years old. Sona | |||
:::Thel was born on December 10, 2485, making him sixty-seven years old when he became the Arbiter. Rtas 'Vadum was born on September 1, 2487, making him sixty-five at this time. The Sangheili certainly have a longer lifespan than humans, considering that they can still be in peak physical condition during what humans would consider middle age. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 22:24, 19 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Rank reorganisation == | == Rank reorganisation == | ||
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Covenant don't exactly follow 21st century Western ranking traditions. They're not humans. So being promoted form Imperial Admiral to Councilor would most likely not be analogous to a General being promoted to MP.-- | Covenant don't exactly follow 21st century Western ranking traditions. They're not humans. So being promoted form Imperial Admiral to Councilor would most likely not be analogous to a General being promoted to MP.--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 10:38, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:What I mean is that we have a single line that makes little sense. It tries to put them in an order, then inserts titles as though they were ranks and claims that certain Army ranks are superior to their Naval equivalent. I'm not saying that we use the tree method I used above, but to separate the ranks section. Perhaps we could split ranks after "Ultra" into "Army" and "Navy".-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:37, 20 December 2010 (EST) | :What I mean is that we have a single line that makes little sense. It tries to put them in an order, then inserts titles as though they were ranks and claims that certain Army ranks are superior to their Naval equivalent. I'm not saying that we use the tree method I used above, but to separate the ranks section. Perhaps we could split ranks after "Ultra" into "Army" and "Navy".-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:37, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
::You mean put them side-by-side like the jackal page?-- | ::You mean put them side-by-side like the jackal page?--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 11:42, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:::Sure.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:44, 20 December 2010 (EST) | :::Sure.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:44, 20 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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{{familytree/end}} | {{familytree/end}} | ||
Note: in my opinion, General is the new title for Field Master (i.e. renamed), and that their role is only for the Army and not the Navy, [[Field Master|contrary to what the article says]].— <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT) | Note: in my opinion, General is the new title for Field Master (i.e. renamed), and that their role is only for the Army and not the Navy, [[Field Master|contrary to what the article says]].— <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
{{familytree/start}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Minor}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Major}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |,|-|-|^|-|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|.| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |Off| | | |Oss| |!| |R| | | |Sp|Off=Major (Officer)|Oss=Ossoona|R=Ranger|Sp=Spec Ops}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |`|-|-|v|-|-|^|-|-|(| | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |U| | | |St| | | | | | |SpO|U=Ultra|St=Stealth|SpO=Spec Ops (Officer)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |Z| | | | | | | | | | | | |SpC|Z=Zealot (title)|SpC= Spec Ops (Commander)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |F|~|~|A|~|~|V|~|~|~|~|~|7| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |Sh| | | |Fi| | | |Ar|Sh=Ship Master|Fi=Field Master|Ar=Artifact Retrieval (Zealot)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |:| | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |Fl| | | |G| | | |FM|Fl=Fleet Master|G=General|FM=Field Marshall}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |:| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |S|S=Supreme Commander}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |I|I=Imperial Admiral}} | |||
{{familytree/end}} | |||
Assuming that special ranks/positions such as Honour Guard, Honour Guard Ultra, Councilor and Arbiter are assigned and promoted outside of typical rank culture, I believe Elites follow the above order. Solid lines denote progression of ranks, whilst dotted lines are used to show a connection between boxes. For instance, Zealot is not an intermediate rank between Ultra and Ship Master. The Zealot title is simply associated with the next rank boxes. I'm unsure whether Field Master and General could be the same rank, so the connection between those boxes is also dotted. Likewise, Fleet Master and Supreme Commander have been dotted for the same reason. Due to new sources and the current status of rank articles on this Encyclopedia, I'm pretty confused, so I thought I'd throw my understanding of it all out into the open to see how it weighs up against criticism, sources, etc. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 00:52, 7 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:A couple of things: Ossoona is a subgroup of Stealth Sangheili as per the ''Anniversary'' Library feature; the association with Majors originates from Halopedia. In addition, Stealth, SpecOps and Rangers are all separate groups under the Special Warfare Group, with Stealth and Rangers operating under Fleet Security; this would likely place them outside the regular rank structure. | |||
:Zealots, on the other hand, may not be as ubiquitous as we've previously thought: see [[Talk:Zealot#Gold armor = Zealot?|here]]. Newer material indicated Zealots are an elite group of fundamentalists as opposed to a category that encompasses all high-ranking Sangheili. Though the gold-armored Elites in the games are still likely all Zealots, there is no proof that the titles of Ship Master, Field Master and Fleet Master are exclusive to the Zealot group. | |||
:It's also apparent that Shipmaster is a title rather than a rank, as evidenced by the fact we've seen Elites of different ranks hold the position. The same may be true for Field Master and Fleet Master, though since there is no definite proof, we might as well regard them as proper ranks. | |||
:I think the updated Elite ranks template should give a pretty good idea of how the rank structure likely works. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:16, 7 November 2011 (EST) | |||
::Information from ''The Essential Visual Guide'' and the new ''Encyclopedia'' all but confirm that ''General'' is an actual rank, not just a title. The ''EVG'''s description of the General's duties describes Field Masters perfectly, so: A) "General" and "Field Master" are synonymous, as Subtank has suggested; or B) most Field Masters are Generals, but Sangheili of other ranks can hold the title, much like Shipmasters. Page 52 of ''The Art of Building Worlds'' settles the gold armor debacle: ''"Elites have their own hierarchy, and their rank can be ascertained by the color of their armor. A useful tool on the battlefield, for sure, <u>with gold marking out field commanders</u>, red indicating a veteran, and blue marking out an Elite's status as standard infantry."'' Furthermore, the ''EVG'' states that the gold-armored Elites in ''Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo 2'' are Zealots; thus, the gold-armored Zealots in the first two games are actually Zealot field commanders, possibly Field Marshals in alternate armor, though, as a rule, gold armor does not represent one's status as a Zealot. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 09:09, 7 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:::Ok. So Specialist Elites belong in the Special Warfare Group through either Fleet Security or Special Operations. That all makes perfect sense to me, so thanks guys. I'm still rather confused about Zealots though. :P | |||
:::Either "Zealot" is an actual rank, or "Field Master/Commander" is, going by the fact that all Halo: CE and Halo 2 era gold armoured Elites are "Zealot Field Commanders" by Braidenvl's source. And if neither of those titles are ranks then ''what are'' these gold split-jawed bastards? xD | |||
:::This may be a stretch, but perhaps they hold both titles of "Zealot" and "Field Master", whilst "General" is their actual rank. I come to this conclusion because the newer material Jugus mentions describes "Zealot" as more of an ideology than rank. Whilst the EVG and Encyclopedia appear to confirm General as a rank. Whilst I agree that "Ship Master" is likely just a title, as we've seen various ranking Elites assume the role... so perhaps "Field Master" is too? | |||
:::It would mean that all golden Elites are in fact "Generals", whilst "Zealot", "Field Master" and "Ship Master", (and possibly "Fleet Master" and "Supreme Commander") are all titles which can be more loosely applied. Imperial Admiral and Field Marshal are obviously ranks of their own. The only issue would be that the Zealot-subset in Halo: Reach, below Field Marshals lack an actual rank name. Though that still doesn't exactly make this theory invalid. I can't see any glarish flaws in this reasoning anyway. Can you guys? I'm just trying to make sense of it all hehe. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 23:14, 8 November 2011 (EST) | |||
I think that the Structure would be more like this: | |||
{{familytree/start}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Minor}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Major}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |O|O=Officer}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |,|-|-|^|-|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|.| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | | |Oss| |!| |R| | | |Sp|Off=Major (Officer)|Oss=Ossoona|R=Ranger|Sp=Spec Ops}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |`|-|-|v|-|-|^|-|-|(| | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |U| | | |St| | | | | | |SpO|U=Ultra|St=Stealth|SpO=Spec Ops (Officer)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | | | | |Z| | | | | | | | | | | | |SpC|Z=Zealot (title)|SpC= Spec Ops (Commander)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |F|~|~|A|~|~|V|~|~|~|~|~|7| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |Sh| | | |Fi| | | |Ar|Sh=Ship Master|Fi=Field Master|Ar=Artifact Retrieval (Zealot)}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |:| | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |Fl| | | |G| | | |FM|Fl=Fleet Master|G=General|FM=Field Marshall}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |:| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |S|S=Supreme Commander}} | |||
{{familytree | | | | |!| }} | |||
{{familytree | | | |I|I=Imperial Admiral}} | |||
{{familytree/end}} | |||
[[User talk:REACHSURVIVES|REACHSURVIVES]] 18:07, 5 December 2011 (EST) | |||
== Arent humans strategically better than Sangheili. == | == Arent humans strategically better than Sangheili. == | ||
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But time and time again, we prove we are better strategists. You, Fore even said the covenant werent good tacticians at all elites included. --[[Special:Contributions/90.219.207.202|90.219.207.202]] 15:01, 8 May 2011 (EDT) | But time and time again, we prove we are better strategists. You, Fore even said the covenant werent good tacticians at all elites included. --[[Special:Contributions/90.219.207.202|90.219.207.202]] 15:01, 8 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
90.219bladyblah whatever your name is you need help with realising what makes a "true" strategist. I adit: the humans even UNSC Marines' "basic" combat tactics (combining fire, guerrilla warfare, flanking manouevers) are actually fairly effective against Covenant enemies such as the Grunts, Jackals, Drones etc. but tend not to be as effective against the "higher up" races like the Brutes, Hunters, Elites (''especially'' the Elites) and as Forerunner pointed out when reverting your controversial edit, the UNSC Marines/Army/ODSTs whatever only won against Elites when they outnumbered them. 1 Elite is worth 2-3 Marines anyway, not to mention humans (apart from Spartans) lack the manouverability, agility, discipline and close-combat capability the Elites have in comparison. As their code of honour gets in the way, Elites have to manouver themselves into close-quarters anyway. If anything the humans get way too much credit anyway. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 13:26, 17 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
Does that make sense anyone? --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 12:08, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
One Thing You Have To Remember Is That I Most Cases, Spartans Assisted Marines, So Without Spartans, Elites Are Much Stronger. | |||
[[User talk:REACHSURVIVES|REACHSURVIVES]] 18:12, 5 December 2011 (EST) | |||
==Skull== | |||
I noticed that the Elite skull in the Legendary symbol is really long, but their heads are pretty small, and it doesn't look like the skull is the right size unless it goes into their neck, yet their necks are flexible. I made a [http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=64909463 Bungie forum] about it, if you want to see the discussion. <font style="papyrus">[[User:Bioniclepluslotr|<font color="lime">'''Bioniclepluslotr'''</font>]]</font> 08:43, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It's simply perspective; the symbol is taken from an angle that makes the head appear elongated. Don't trust your eyes. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:04, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Concerning the Sangheili's Respect for Humans == | |||
This is from the article, under the Human-Covenant war section: | |||
''When the Prophets declared war on a previously unknown species called "humans", the Sangheili followed their lead without question. After a period of time, however, even though the Prophets insisted that the Humans were "unclean beings" that must be eliminated from the galaxy, '''many seasoned Sangheili veterans''' began to question the refusal of the Prophets to even consider accepting the humans into the Covenant. '''They''' seem to believe that humans, although physically weak, at least compared to themselves, are brave and even honorable. '''Certainly, most Sangheili believe''' that humans should be offered admittance to the Covenant. '''Some even believe that the humans are equal to them''' - a considerable step for a Sangheili, or any member of the Covenant to make. '''The Sangheili''' admired how willing and brave the Humans were when fighting to survive against outright extinction, '''they''' even respected to a certain degree those few soldiers who were willing to stay behind and cover their comrades from a Covenant attack. '''A few Sangheili even had some degree of disrespect for the San 'Shyuum before the Great Schism.''''' | |||
What is the evidence for everything that I bolded? (Excluding the very last sentence there because that seems, at least to me, not necessarily indicative of their supposed growing admiration for Humans. We know that there is a fundamental difference in the way the Sangheili and San-Shyuum view life. The Sangheili dislike the tedious nature of politics and discourse and prefer action and might. There is also a bloody past between the two. So that does not necessarily indicate, nor contribute towards, their admiration for Humanity.) | |||
''Conversations from the Universe'' is a discussion between two Sangheili of unknown rank and influence. Ignoring the obvious problem that ''it is only two Sangheili'' and so not really anywhere near an acceptable sample size to say that thousands or perhaps even millions of Sangheili believe this, we do not know who they are. We know that one is a ranking officer and one is an underling, but that is all we know. This could be a discussion between a Minor and a Major, in which case it is not a very good representation of what "seasoned veterans think", nor what their people as a whole think. (Compare it to a discussion between an Army Private and a Corporal and then saying that there is widespread belief among the upper echelons of the Military and the people about something.) If it were between two Counselors, then I would perhaps raise an eyebrow at some of the leadership thinking this but we do not know who it is. Even in the case of two Councilors, it is still plagued by the numbers problem - only two. | |||
Zhar from ''The Cole Protocol'' was the odd one out in his gang of five, who all dismissed his claims as coincidence or as looking too deeply into the matter. (Including our beloved Thel who said "''You think too much, Zharn''" at the sight of Cmdr. Faison's sacrifice.) | |||
We have more named Sangheili that despise Humans than those who show any admiration at all. (There are about four who show positive notions towards Humanity) [http://www.halopedian.com/Je%27ddak_Zule We even have an antithesis to Conversations from the Universe that no one remembers.] Why does Conversations hold more weight than this when they are both discussions between two Sangheili, except that the antithesis is involving at least one high ranking Sangheili (An Arbiter) and also fits more in line with everything else we read about from the Sangheili in their hatred towards Humans? | |||
I do honestly think that this is a myth. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 15:31, 20 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
You can't apply statistics to see how many Sangheili respect humans. By that logic not all Prophets hate humans because only around three explicitly show it in the series. Also in Halo 3 Humans and Sangheili work together fairly well. This indicates that enough Sangheili didn't outright hate the Humans and were probably just doing so because they were following orders. And don't forget that the Sangheili have shown respect for foes that put up a good fight in the past(like the Grunt rebellion). And from an out of universe explanation there's no reason for Bungie to have put these little hints in if the Sangheili didn't respect humans. There would be no point in including it otherwise. LeeUnit92 16:37, 20 September 2011 | |||
Without statistics no one should really be tossing around words like "most" and "they" and using definitives because we do not know who "they" really are unless the canon actually says that "most" of them believed it. As for the Prophet analogy: Assuming that all Prophets are supposed to hate Humans (Which they are not), I am not saying that all Sangheili hated Humanity due to only 4 displaying notions to the contrary, I am saying that most of them hated Humanity due to the lack of those who displayed notions to the contrary. And before my use of the word "most" there gets me gunned down on the spot, I will say that it is justified because the Sangheili really do not have any reason not to hate Humanity. Their religion decrees it, absolutely, and the fact that those who show outward hatred outweigh by a few times those that do not. In the same way most Prophets will despise Humans, but not all. (And we have an example of one who does not. The one from Wages of Sin but I digress) So I was not dealing in absolutes. To be honest your analogy is a bit non-sequitur, and I do not understand how it is relevant at all. Of course one cannot make the claim that all Prophets hate Humans based on only three outwardly proclaiming it, unless of course the canon says otherwise or unless we actually see them all. You can however say that most of them hated based on what we already know of the Covenant. That is part of what I am saying. | |||
As for Halo 3 and the alliance, it was done on the premise of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". This was not a friendship at all. The Encyclopedia revealed that it was only because of the destruction of 3/5ths of their fleet at Joyous Exultation that they wanted to ally with Humanity. Xytan Jar 'Wattinree was fully prepared to wipe out Humanity along with the Loyalists and the Flood. He had no respect for Humans ether it appeared. | |||
Furthermore, the Grunt Rebellion was a case of fighting for equality which is entirely different from fighting an enemy that you believe to be sin incarnate and worthy of nothing but extermination. The Grunts fought for equality which may have been a goal that some Sangheili sympathized with. The fact that they were prepared to fight for their rights made the Sangheili consider them worthy to hold them. They were not branded Heretics or judged "unclean" by the Prophets. Humanity was, which makes the situation entirely different. | |||
Finally, how do you know that Bungie put that in there to show Sangheili admiration? The two Sangheili were discussing something controversial and a Brute approached. The Sangheili recoiled showing the distrust between the two species. How do you know that its sole intention was not to show the distrust between the two, thus foreshadowing the Schism? (Which is more apparent to Halo 2's plot than any Human-Sangheili relations as well) Other than The Cole Protocol, (In which it is only one lonely Sangheili in his thoughts...) we have not seen anything else like admiration since, and later canon seems to indicate that Humans really were nothing special in the Sangheili's eyes. Without Bungie making clear what their intention was with this then it is difficult to know what it truly means. It is weak evidence at best. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 21:03, 20 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
Few Sangheili outright display hatred for humans simply because their humans. Many are simply being manipulated by the Prophet of Truth who said that they desecrated Forerunner artifacts. They are simply under the mistaken impression that humans like destroying Forerunner tech, which for them is heresy. When the Arbiter discovered the Prophets were lying he allied with Sgt. Johnson pretty easily. Earlier on he disagreed with Zhar but that's the point: it was early on. It was still near the beginning of the war and they haven't seen enough of human combat to consider them honorable or not. I never said the Halo 3 alliance was a friendship, there are obvious tensions between the two species. But if they truly hated humanity they would never have allied in the first place. From what's been seen on Sangheili customs death is a preferable alternative to dishonor. If they really looked down on humans that much they wouldn't have bothered teaming up with them all. And Xytan never really mentions the humans too much in his appearance. His main concern seemed to be dealing the Brutes and the Flood. Even when he tells Voro to go to Onyx his orders were to secure Forerunner technology and his reasons for it were mostly tactical. They still believe that the humans desecrated Forerunner technology at this point but when it became clear that wasn't the truth they willingly allied with humanity. And when Voro does make it to Onyx and defeats everyone he looks at Kurt respectfully and sees him as an equal, even stopping a pair of Hunters from killing him. | |||
The Brute showing up at the end of the Conversation was very small. If Bungie put it in to display Elite-Brute tensions then they could have just had the Sangheili talking about how much the Brutes suck. The segment where the Grunt mentions that a Brute killed an Elite without being punished is a more clear example of the schism. Also them discontinuing the coversation may simply be because it was a taboo subject and may have done the same if any other species showed up. When it comes to little story segments like that every part of it has meaning behind it so the fact that they were talking about humans being honorable shows that there's something going on with the Sangeili view on the war and humans. LeeUnit92 16:04, 22 September 2011 | |||
Well of course they do not hate Humans simply because they are Human. They hate Humans because they are supposedly trying to destroy the Halos and prohibit the Great Journey, thus they still hate Humans. No matter which way you slice it, they still hate Humanity. Them being under the wrong impression does not make their hatred an illusion, it simply makes it baseless. It is still there and they still feel it. About Thel: Firstly, even in 2552, Thel was saying some pretty nasty things about Humans. Even though his communique was to Truth in the Halo 2 Covenant game manual, he had the option to simply withhold on such slander but rather used terms like "Human Animal" and "worthy of neither respect nor fear", as well as "Humans remain beneath our contempt". This does not sound like one who holds any admiration at all and as always, if it is there, it is never shown. Only evidence to the contrary is shown in its place. Secondly, The Cole Protocol takes place in 2535, a full ten years after the war began and after dozens of Human colonies had been glassed, after all the battles that happened at these places. Yet, this is still not enough apparently. The evidence was in his face yet he turned it away, and appeared to show no change towards Humanity even a year before the Schism as I pointed out above. Thirdly, Thel was stood before Johnson who had a Scarab in Thel's face, and the fate of the galaxy was also only mere minutes away from being decided. No time to think, just act. I really doubt that reservations about Humanity would be going through his head at this point, and the same would go for the Halo 3 alliance as well. These actions do not mean that Thel and the rest of the Sangheili at that point necessarily respected Humans, merely that he/they could prioritize and view the situation objectively for what was at stake. | |||
About the death being preferable to dishonor part. That is true, but who said that allying with Humanity would necessarily be dishonorable? They would view it as undignifying, but not dishonorable. They would be stupid to throw away a temporary alliance with an enemy and, thus along with it, all their own race's hopes, dreams and even existence rather than embracing it. Furthermore, the Sangheili have shown no issues with allying with former enemies to save themselves in the past, no matter the cost to their culture and honor values. It is the very reason why the Covenant exists. They bent the knee to the Prophets after all the bloodshed. After hundreds of millions of dead Sangheili and their homeworld besieged I am sure that they would have hated the Prophets, but in the end they still compromised. The alliance with Humanity was not done because they found out the truth about Humanity or the war, they did it because they lost 3/5ths of their fleet at Joyous Exultation, meaning that they were no longer capable of defeating both the Flood and the Covenant alone. Basically, they were using Humanity. | |||
As for Xytan, his reasons for sending Voro to Onyx were both strategic and '''dogmatic'''. He calls it a heresy for Humans to be anywhere near Forerunner technology. What else other than repugnance is he going to feel towards Humans when he says stuff like this? Before Onyx Voro viewed Humans as "galling" him and making "his blood boil", with their language seeming "offensive" to him - and these are internal thoughts. After the battle at Onyx, he chooses the time to gloat to Kurt about how he failed. Rather than say that he fought well, or that it was regrettable that they had to be enemies, he says something to the effect of, flatly, "You will die, and we will re-open the silver path". (Essentially, you failed and you will die knowing that you are a failure) As for Conversations, how much importance is it really? There is no indication that the Sangheili respect Humans in any way without it. It is, quite frankly, the only evidence for such a claim. Yet, it is obscure and very hard to find in most cases, and is again such weak evidence being a discussion between only two Sangheili. Could the writers not have thought of better ways to make it seem apparent that most Sangheili respect Humans? Should they not have this theme running through the mainstream novels quite strongly like, lets say, the Covenant imitation theme? Do the writers even remember its "implications"? Because we have seen no such thing like it since it was written 7 years ago. | |||
I don't see it. It is apparent that most fans want the Sangheili to like Humans; counting the hits but ignoring the rather enormous amount of misses. Fanfic.net is proof of this with all the post Halo 3 fanfics with Sangheili-Human alliances and such. If you are trying to prove something as true, and you also happen to want that thing to be true, then you should take extra care to have more evidence than is really necessary. Be absolutely sure to avoid affirming the consequent. It would be cool if it was true, but I had to stand back and say "''Wait, is this really true, or is this just what I want to see?''" -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 20:40, 21 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
The Halo 2 manual was written as Thel's report to the Prophets. If he talked about humans respectfully he'd be in even deeper trouble than he already was. In Halo 2 and 3 he has a much calmer demeanor than how he was talking there. And also the game manuals are a low source of canon and have had errors in them numerous times. I can see your point for the Halo 2 segment where Johnson takes the Scarab but at the end of the game it's just Keyes and Johnson alone with him and any Sangeili that may have survived the fight with Tartarus. He could've easily killed both of them considering he nearly did earlier in the game. And Halo 3 takes place several weeks after Halo 2 so Thel would have had much more time to think about the alliance. Rtas and the Elites in game seem respectful towards the Master Chief and Thel even mourns Johnson and comforts the Chief about him. | |||
As for the alliance I really do think that if the Sangehili hated the humans they wouldn't have bothered allying with them. It has been mentioned more than once that they would die rather than use human weapons. If they'd rather die in a matter as simple as weapon use then I'm pretty sure they would prefer to fight alone to the end than ally with humanity. Once it became clear that humans weren't the Forerunner hating animals that the Prophets made them out to be the prejudice against them would drop among the Sangheili. It was even stated on N'tho Sroam's bio that a growing number of Sangheili were sympathizing with the humans. Xytan does mention that it his reasons for it were dogmatic as well but most of his reasons were tactical. And Voro's decision to kill Kurt personally indicates some respect. The reason he felt his blood boiling at the mention of humans was because they were the enemy and had been for the past twenty something years. But that's not to say he didn't feel any respect towards them. The two Hunters Kurt was fighting before could easily have killed him but Voro stopped them and it's openly stated that he looked at Kurt as an equal. Of course he was still going to kill him because he is the enemy but he allows Kurt to fight him one on one. Of course Kurt nukes everything before it comes to that but it shows Voro considered him a worthy opponent. | |||
The Conversations from the Universe isn't the only source for the Sangheili respecting humans. As just mentioned Voro did see Kurt as a worthy opponent and as mentioned before on N'tho's profile it's stated there are a growing number of human sympathizers. Of course not all Sangheili are going to be of that mindset but it shows that at the very least a notable amount do. I don't read fanfiction so I don't exactly know what those fans are saying but there is in-universe evidence for the Sangheili having a grudging respect for the humans. LeeUnit92 18:26, September 22 2011 | |||
==New Elite Major Images== | |||
I don't mean to upset Durandal, as the new red Elite Major images that have been uploaded, not only look beautiful, but it looks like they've been cropped beautifully as well. But I can't help but mention this... my ONLY issue is... if they were taken on specific maps in Multiplayer, would I be right in observing from these images, that they have no eyes?? :S -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 23:22, 8 November 2011 (EST) | |||
== Ranks are a Mess == | |||
I'm not sure if it is against the rules to re-post this or not, so please forgive me, but the issue just keeps being pushed aside, when changes desperately need to be made. | |||
Everyone seems to be aware of the massive mess that the upper ranks of the Sangheili Ranking Structure suffered since the release of Reach and Anniversary. Here I'm going to attempt to explain my theory. This has been well thought out and gone over with other Sangheili canon fanatics of various Sangheili themed clans. (Yes I am apart of one, don't judge me.) Now let me proceed. | |||
I believe once a sangheili reaches the rank of General, they can be put into one of two positions. They can obtain the TITLE of Field Master or Ship Master. This is justified by the Generals we see commanding ground troops in Reach (Field Master), as well as Ardo, the Shipmaster of Ardent Prayer. General is too low of a rank to be qualified to reach the TITLE of Fleet Master, which is why we have never seen one, and never will. This is justified by the Special Operations Ship and Fleet Masters we've seen, who do not dawn the gold armor. As well as the Arbiter. Now I probably should have stated this earlier, but I call Field, Ship, and Fleet Master titles, because it is simply an extra position added to your rank. Rank is the physical changes in armor and color. Title is your role. Moving on... | |||
Once a General is promoted, they become a Zealot. From there, a Zealot will have another choice (Whomever decides which path is chosen is beyond me, likely a lesser prophet, but that is pure conjecture). They will either become golden armored Zealots, and remain in the procession o nf "Master" titles (Field Master, Ship Master & Fleet Master), or they will become maroon Zealots, apart of a commando detachment unit compromised o nf all Zealots and a Field Marshall subclass to hunt down intel or artifacts of religious value to the Covenant. This is supported by all the golden Zealots we read about in the Halo books, as well as the ones we've seen in Halo CE(A) and Halo 2; ranging from Field Masters, Ship Masters, and Fleet Masters, all described as Zealots and as golden. The maroon Zealots are obviously from Reach, and could as well include Thel 'Vadam's all Zealot lance, making the soon to be Arbiter the Field Marshall of the squadron, considering their color was never said, it can be deduced they were indeed maroon Zealots. Now to get to the big boys... | |||
Supreme Commanders. Once a Zealot Fleet Master is granted permission to lead a large Fleet or a Combined Fleet rather than a Task Force or a small Fleet, they will be granted the title or rank of Supreme Commander. There is evidence for Supreme Commander being both a Rank and a Title. I personally lean towards a title, due to the only evidence of it being a rank is the Comic Book which depicts the Purple-clad Commander. And obviously Imperial Admirals command the entire Covenant Navy. | |||
Now please, I would love to hear some input on this, but more importantly, I would like to see change. I am not the best editor when it comes to wikia, and I would be honored to have people help work on this mess. It is so wrong the way it is right now, and it bothers me greatly. Thank you for your time.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 23:19, 24 December 2011 (EST) | |||
::So it goes: | |||
::- Minor (BLUE) | |||
::- Major (Officer) (RED) | |||
::- Ultra (WHITE) | |||
::- General (Field Master/Ship Master) (GOLD) | |||
::- Zealot (Field Master/Ship Master/Fleet Master [small fleets & task forces]/Artefact Squad) (GOLD/CRIMSON) | |||
::- Supreme Commander (Fleet Master [large and combined fleets]) (GOLD/PURPLE) | |||
::- Imperial Admiral (ORNATE WHITE AND GOLD) | |||
::The problem I have with this, is that if colour distinquishes rank, we have three ranks which are Golden. Personally, to identify rank correctly, I think I have to stop thinking in terms of sub-ranks and titles to a certain degree. | |||
::This is what we know is certain: | |||
::- Minor (BLUE) | |||
::- Major (RED) | |||
::- Ultra (WHITE) | |||
::- General (GOLD) | |||
::- Imperial Admiral (ORNATE WHITE AND GOLD) | |||
::This is my judgement: | |||
::Based on sources that the position of "Ship Master" can be granted to a number of different ranks, I believe this to be just a title. For the same evidence and reasoning, I would class "Fleet Master" as another title. To make things easier, I will presume (unless there are sources which grant evidence for my reasoning) that "Field Master" is also a title. Because of more than one appearance of Gold coloured elites as a "Supreme Commander" I deduce that this is yet another title (attributing the Purple armour of Thel 'Vadamee in ''The Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor'' to artistic license, which I would like to note is something not uncommon to the Halo franchise). | |||
::Based on recent sources which regard being a "Zealot" as more of an ideology than rank, I would classify this simply as an inclination felt by certain devoted Sangheili, and as a title if necessary. As a title, it is logical for "Zealot" to be held in concurrence with other titles. Having more than one title exists as per Ship Masters who are also Fleet Masters. There are also the bonus titles of Aristocrat and Kaidon. | |||
::The Zealots and Field Marshals of Halo: Reach we know belong to the Ministry of Fervent Intercession. It is obvious to me that these elites, like Stealth, Spec Ops and Ranger specialists do not pertain to the standard uniform ranking system and therefore do not need to be placed within it. Although it is certain that they all hold the title of "Zealot." | |||
::Finally "Imperial Admiral" is one of the highest known ranks used by the Sangheilian military. | |||
::Although your theory is certainly possible, I am sorry that I cannot commit myself to fully agreeing with it. I feel my conclusion involves less conjecture and is a more reasonable analysis of the evidence that we've seen within the series. The same as you, I would just like to form some consensus on the subject, for the better of Halopedia. So I greatly value your interest. :) | |||
::What do you think about that? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 01:54, 3 January 2012 (EST) | |||
As per your whole beginning, you restated what I wrote. Field, Ship, & Fleet Master are titles. However, your next paragraph about Zealot I disagree with. Zealot is specifically a rank, that is divided into two subclasses that I stated in my original post. The Golden Zealot commanders of the infantry, and the special mission type Crimson Zealots. This is directly supported by the description of the Zealot in the CEA Library. [http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/351/c/4/zealot_elite_analyze_by_hellblaze-d4jex3y.jpg] | |||
And everything else is also a rephrase of what I said of sorts. So it seems you only disagree with the Zealots, and provided the evidence on the table, and the fact that there are no Zealots of other ranks. (Ex. We never see Ultra Zealots or Major Zealots). I would have to disagree. I put a lot of effort into cracking this system. It took me months. I appreciate the replies at least. I am just hoping one day to get this changed onto the actual site. Evidently this is proving difficult lol --[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 21:25, 4 January 2012 (EST) | |||
::Ah... now I have never seen the Library article for Zealots, as I don't own a Kinect. But this changes everything. At least in regard to how I perceived Zealots. ;) | |||
::Wish I saw that image before I uploaded a load of images to my user page. But it means only minimal changes are required. I've also put a lot of thought into ranks, so try not to take all of the credit buddy. We're a team, and I'm certain we'll soon get this done. :) | |||
::I've started to add a load of information to my user page in order to make it easier to figure this all out. Tomorrow I'll finish what I've started and upload a newer version of the Military Titles image to remove Zealot from there and anchor it in the MoFI. I plan to add information and sourcing for the rest of the ranks and titles, as well as a list of changes we're going to need to make to current articles. This is no doubt a big project. So I see having some kind of guide and unity would be a benefit. I'll let you know when it's done as I'm looking forward to fixing this with you. :D -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 00:54, 5 January 2012 (EST) | |||
Thank the lord I have found someone who knows how and has the initiative to edit these pages. I am so very excited this will finally be rectified! Unfortunately I am of no help with the editing, but if you need to consult me with any information do not hesitate! My xbl gamertag is Avu Med Telcam. You can message me there, or on Bungie.net if you need to contact me since I am not aware of any chatbox or private messaging system on this site. Once again thank you for having the initiative to tackle the editing involved in this great change!--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 17:21, 5 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:Thanks! I'm sure your consultation will prove very intrinsic. In fact, once I've finished my analysis within the nexy few days, perhaps you could take a look at it for me please? Let me know if there's anything you believe is incorrect, etc. Then perhaps I could begin editing these articles. I'll fire you an Xbox Live message anyway once I'm finished soon. Nice Gamertag! Haha. ;) -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 08:18, 6 January 2012 (EST) | |||
Excellent! Contact me whenever you need to. I look forward to seeing progress.--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 18:51, 7 January 2012 (EST) | |||
::I've been a little busy and have had to put this on hold. But it looks like some other users have made some progress. I'll come back by the end of the month and finish my user page. Then make some edits. ;) -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 07:01, 12 January 2012 (EST) | |||
I've been waiting to say this: It's the end of the month :D--[[User talk:Xzan Tamasee|Xzan Tamasee]] 19:39, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
== Archiving == | |||
This needs to be archived. It's quite long and has conversations that are years old on it. Anyone agree?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} | |||
:Go for it.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 20:53, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||