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:::Also, ''Infinity'' probably wasn't willing to stick around within spitting distance of the absurdly powerful Forerunner flagship; Lasky took enough of a risk when getting that close and had to bail out before the Didact actually started paying attention to him. It's a mystery why ''Infinity'' and the rest of Battlegroup Dakota (or for that matter, the Chief's Broadsword) weren't blown out of the sky in a microsecond or so, but maybe the Didact, in his insane, villainous impracticality didn't even consider them threats and would've dealt with them last - after he had casually composed all of Earth with several hours of concentrated fire from the UNSC fleet having absolutely no effect. There's also a theory around that the Librarian severely downgraded the weaponry of the ''Mantle's Approach'' to give humanity any semblance of a fighting chance if her plan with the Didact didn't work out. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:54, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | :::Also, ''Infinity'' probably wasn't willing to stick around within spitting distance of the absurdly powerful Forerunner flagship; Lasky took enough of a risk when getting that close and had to bail out before the Didact actually started paying attention to him. It's a mystery why ''Infinity'' and the rest of Battlegroup Dakota (or for that matter, the Chief's Broadsword) weren't blown out of the sky in a microsecond or so, but maybe the Didact, in his insane, villainous impracticality didn't even consider them threats and would've dealt with them last - after he had casually composed all of Earth with several hours of concentrated fire from the UNSC fleet having absolutely no effect. There's also a theory around that the Librarian severely downgraded the weaponry of the ''Mantle's Approach'' to give humanity any semblance of a fighting chance if her plan with the Didact didn't work out. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:54, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
::Let's not forget the placement of the nuke that destroyed it - it was right in the heart of the ship, right near a slipspace generator, carried there by Broadsword and by foot. I doubt a ship-launched nuke could have penetrated that deeply, or that strategically vital a place. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[ | ::::Let's not forget the placement of the nuke that destroyed it - it was right in the heart of the ship, right near a slipspace generator, carried there by Broadsword and by foot. I doubt a ship-launched nuke could have penetrated that deeply, or that strategically vital a place. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:32, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
:::It didn't seem that deep. In fact, it looks like the Composer was right near the front of the ship, in order to gain the closest firing range. The "roof" was even open. Next to a slipspace generator is a true point, though, but both it and the Composer were still close to the surface. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 16:05, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::I'm going to refer back to the Forerunner trilogy: in the first one, ''Cryptum'', it's revealed that the protagonists are able to see the entirety of space around them despite being in the heart of the ship; in other words, Forerunner ships are seemingly capable of projecting a very realistic depiction of the exterior situation despite being no-one near it; I think it may have to do with holograms, but it may just be the "hard light"-deus ex excuse for most things in that trilogy. Point is, I think it's very possible that the Composer was safely stored deep within the ship; although, as I recall, it was in use, so it's also possible that it was relatively exposed, which raises the question of why it would be so near a delicate and sensitive component as a Slipspace generator. | |||
::::I could also believe the argument that, had ''Infinity'' or another UNSC warship attempted to attack the location through external means, the ''Mantle's Approach'' likely would have been able to defend against it, perhaps by sacrificing components that were less vital. At any rate, I think we can assume that the UNSC continued its attack on ''Mantle's Approach'', which based on the lack of obvious ship stress once Chief was inside, can be considered to have had little to no effect. Forerunner warships were designed to combat other Forerunner warships; despite some components pilfered from Forerunner stock, the ''Infinity'' is still mostly made of human tech.--[[User:SNovah|SNovah]] ([[User talk:SNovah|talk]]) 23:58, 16 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
So in regards to the Mantle's Approach being destroyed by a single Nuke, it should be recalled that said nuke was detonated in close proximity to a slipspace reaction. We didn't really get to see the actual destruction, but we can use our imaginations.--[[Special:Contributions/70.70.8.253|70.70.8.253]] 10:19, 11 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== Trivia == | |||
So I don't think it looks anything like a reaper. I think that trivia point is a total stretch and should probably be removed. Anyone else? I mean It looks like Metapod, not a Reaper. [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 08:32, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:Yeah I say remove it. But in truth it does look a lot like a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Metapod Metapod]...[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 11:46, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::Not to derail the discussion but whoa. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 15:39, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
Some reminding on what a Reaper [http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/18/17952/Reaper_Dreadnought.jpg looks like]. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:48, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:Ahem... [https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/634x934q90/513/mp5e.png Not similar at all.] They have the same core geometry. That is all. [https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1118x934q90/827/ouhs.png This isn't like the case where Omega looks almost exactly like Halo 3 High Charity.] [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 15:31, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::I guess the similarity is not as obvious as one thinks. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 15:39, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
343 isn't going to make it ''too'' close a replica because there's copyright to consider. But it does seem like an intentional reference if you consider that the Ur-Didact's voice actor also voiced a Reaper. Plus, the picture leaves out that both ships share a gigantic midsection "doom lazor". It's not just the shape. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 16:19, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:The Reaper thanix gun is actually under the forward arms. I hardly think it is an intentional reference and unless they say it is, it shouldn't be trivia. Spurious at best. Consider neither series has ever intentionally referenced the other. I don't think they would start now with such a complicated reference. "Hey Didact and Harbinger are the same guy... so lets kinda make the ship diamond shaped so that people might think it looks like a space cuttlefish And then lets give it a big space gun cause reapers have them too...." I mean... honestly...[[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 18:00, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::Whether it's close enough to be worthy or mention or not aside, I too immediately thought of a Reaper when I first saw the ship. Even aside from their voice actress, Harby and Didact have a lot in common, and Halo 4 in general has a fairly Mass Effect tone to it (Composer comes to mind too), though it's more of an overarching subtly rather than specific references. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:06, 17 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:Along with the general silhouette, the most distinct similarity is the ship's not-too-common in-flight orientation. The Reaper inspiration is obvious, if not explicit. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:12, 19 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::Honestly speaking, I don't see the similarity at all. Granted, I have not played Mass Effect at all (or even read any of the novels) though I did spend some time in the Mass Effect wiki (though not for its articles). Regardless, I think we decided some time ago to avoid putting in trivia on similarities with other franchise unless they are similar in appearance. Here, in my own opinion, they are not. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:18, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:I don't know (and I don't really care) what the fuss is all about, but if there must be a similarity trivia thingamajig, I would say it doesn't look like a metapod at all. More like the Reaper Sovereign of Mass Effect. But perhaps Subtank is right, similarities trivia may not really be necessary. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:37, 20 January 2014 (EST)Xamikaze330 | |||
Normally I wouldn't have put trivia about similar appearances if it were based solely on "these things look kinda the same." The reason why I made an exception here because it seems like not merely an attempt to reference ''Mass Effect'', but rather to reference the voice actor's previous role. It's the difference between, say, having a random character hold a gun that looks kinda like Hellboy's and having Lord Hood be the one holding that gun. Connecting the potential reference with the actor makes it more intentional. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:59, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:That's also a good point. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:08, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
Or just by chance, look at all the roles the voice actor has had. The ship is meant to inspire fear and Keith Szarabajka has the voice to do reflect the evil ship captain. Just because there are similarities in two franchise does not mean they are a nod. In both Halo and Mass Effect there have been extincting cycles which does not mean they are connected. [[Special:Contributions/24.86.35.118|24.86.35.118]] 19:29, 9 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Weapons systems == | |||
We have the Z-8250 light artillery labeled as the light-mass fusillade cannons in the weaponry section. When they are more likely the 5th level weapons described in the H4EVG. I imagine the heavy anti-ship weapons and the light artillery are part of the same anti-ship system. Whereas fusillade cannons imply something a lot larger than piddly aa guns. Especially since the weapons ranked below them are the frigate vaporizing particle cannons... Thoughts? [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 15:34, 4 February 2014 (EST) | |||