Talk:Charon-class light frigate: Difference between revisions

== Midsummer Night ==

:I thought of this yesterday, but gave up - we just don't have enough evidence. All we know of the ship is that the ''Midsummer Night'' is a light frigate modified for stealth missions. We can't even tell by the Hull numbers, either, as the Charon and Stalwart-class light frigates intersect - Charon-class frigates have numbers between "127" and "307" while Stalwart-class frigates have numbers like "142". As the US Navy rarely diverts from the "one-more-than-the-previous" system of numbering (FFG-1, FFG-2, etc.) unless on the grounds of radical deviation of a vessel's style, we can assume that the two ship classes were both in service and in production at the same time. However, the two serve noticably-different purposes due to their shapes - Charon-class frigates, with their enlargened hangers, appear more suited to ground and atmospheric operations than the Stalwart, which can also perform this action albeit to a presumably-smaller capacity. We do not know enough on the ''Midsummer Night'' to make a proper confirmation.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:09, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

:That glow's just from explosions. Also, isn't that pic leaked content? [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]^{([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])} 15:15, 5 November 2012 (EST)

::Looks like a spoiler to me, or either that, offical but early released content.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 15:21, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Its not a spoiler in fact, it was released on waypoint as part of the Departure Spartan Ops episode. And that glow is reminsant of the one Infinity has when she rams a CCS-class Battlecruiser in the Spartan Ops Season 1 Trailer and flys through the debris. It a shield/ {{unsigned|SithSB}}

--{{Unsigned|SithSB}}

I'm sure he mean't retonned. Retrofited would be that the ship's design was changed in canon, but the Forward Unto Dawn's design changed after it was destroyed and drifting so reton would be more accurate. [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 21:18, 8 November 2012 (EST)

Can some one add shields to the entry? It won't let me do it.---Sith

Is there a way to create a field sir?---SithSB

There is. Use <code>|othersystems=</code>.— <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  22:19, 17 November 2012 (EST)

==Redesign==

:It seems the design of the Charon-class frigates has been changed for [[Halo 4]]. Does anyone have an image of these said redesigns or did this never happen? [[User talk:Yoonhyuk-740|Yoonhyuk-740]] 19:54, 16 November 2012 (EST)

What this page really needs though is a side image of this ship type from Halo 4 to replace the Halo 3 one used at the top of the profile since it is a reton. The only place in the game you can see a clear shot of the type however appears to be in the final mission when flying in the open area. These models ma be a lower quality though as its hard to tell [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 12:11, 29 November 2012 (EST)

==Top picture==

Im thinking we should replace the halo 3 era picture on the top of the page with a halo 4 era picture. Anybody think the same?

:While it is a nice picture, it is however lightly rendered, meaning it probably wouldn't make a very good infobox image. That's my personal opinion. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 21:54, 11 March 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

:It's kinda light, though perhaps it could get put in the article body in the ''Halo 4'' section. Also, [[The Commissioning]] has confirmed that the "old" style frigate still exists in the post-war world. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]^{([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])} 23:23, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

::That's true, but the old-style frigates in ''The Commissioning'' and ''Forward Unto Dawn'' are actually from the ''Paris'' class. Anyway, I think that the page image should be replaced by one from ''Halo 4'' as soon as the ''Castle Map Pack'' comes out. The ship on ''Daybreak'' may be rendered rather sparsely but it still represents the new canonical interpretation of the vessel. Hopefully we'll get a good look at a high-resolution ''Charon''-class frigate in the next season of ''Spartan Ops''. --[[User:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|talk]]) 23:41, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

:I'd rather keep using the original. It's clear that things are going to keep changing, for better or worse <small>(but you know it's mostly worse)</small> and I think our past policy of always rushing to replace "old" designs with "new" ones has begun to wear out. I don't know what 343's stance is, but instead of enforcing a strict new-overrides-old policy, I'd rather see Bungie's Halo and 343i's Halo as though they're two different lenses through which the same universe is viewed. The original ''Essential Visual Guide'' still acknowledges Bungie's design and no matter how much we pretend it never existed it will always be there in ''Halo 3'' (''still'' a game, ie. supreme source of canon), in its un-halved, intact form. We can't, as of the present, get screenshots of the ''Dawn'' firing on the Forerunner Dreadnought or dropping off forces on the Ark with the ''Halo 4'' model. And the only "intact" version we have of the new design is a piece of concept art, which has never been regarded as primary canon, certainly not superior to in-game assets. I'm not saying it's not a tricky and complex issue. It's never easy when we can't make up justifications like "those Jackals are just a different subspecies". But for the reason that these thing are going to keep coming, there are other ways around it than an outright, uncompromising retcon. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 23:55, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

::Just for fun, I tried my hand at depicting just how ridiculous the "new" ''Dawn'' is compared with the ''Halo 3'' version. I'm linking two images I made that show how improbably the Hyperion missile would've fit the ''Halo 3'' version ''Charon''-class and how oversized (despite the 'official' numbers) the ''Halo 4'' ''Dawn'' is. Just reflect on how ludicrously huge they portrayed the ''Halo 4'' ''Dawn'' for the sake of gameplay. (If they'd made the missile smaller and use the engine area of the ''Halo 3'' Dawn as the play space, the ship would still have worked out for them and there would have been no reason for a dramatic redesign.) -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 20:17, 15 October 2013 (EDT)

So I can understand 782 being the capacity, but in light of the other things that display says (a running count of how long they've been without UNSC contact, the ship's structural status, and the number of survivors on board), I would assume that this terminal is displaying *current* status, as in "With only half the ship here, we can fit about 782." Anyone else think that should be mentioned as a possibility? [[User:Swordser|Swordser]] ([[User talk:Swordser|talk]]) 23:23, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

::I've been working off an on with 343i on just this issue. Using a combination of actual military crew rosters as well as borrowing some from other sci-fi, notably Star Trek, I've worked out all the positions and crew to account for the 782 listed in Halo 4. I'll present my research to 343i and see what they think. Personally, I think that count is too high for a frigate. That's also assuming that 782 is indeed the crew required to run the ship and not embarked personnel like Marines/ODSTs. Thus the count would really be higher.

== How many Archers does the ''Charon''-class have? ==

This question has bugged me for a while, how many Archer missiles does the ''Charon''-class light frigate have? - EpicZealot1239