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Getting rid of the clutter?I'm not surprised with a species that's so great people wanna talk about everything Sangheili--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 05:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

sang hei li... li sang hei... "weird" in korean.. lawl? {{Unsigned|69.234.191.43| at 08:48, 25 August 2009}}

Sang(sangue) Heili(helios), latin origin, I'd say "sun blooded" [[User talk:Vennificus|Vennificus]] 22:34, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Halo Reach Armor Permutations ==

IGN revealed most of the Elite armor permutations for Halo Reach a few weeks ago. Should I post the new names onto the page? Please advise. [[User talk:Eefree89|Eefree89]] 01:40, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well here are the names of the Elite armor permutations for Halo Reach:

1.Minor

2.Officer

3.Ultra

4.Ranger

5.Special Operations

6.Zealot

7.General

8.Field Marshall

Note: The Officer armor can only be obtained if you buy Limited or Legendary editions. [[User talk:Steven 1098s|Steven1098s]] 11:48, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Halo Wars Cinematics ==

Most people say that the Elites in Halo Wars' cutscenes are flawed due to excessive stylization; just listen to reason.

While it seems that almost everyone belives the blue Elites that assault Red Team on the Apex are Honor Guards, I'd like to point a few things out.

#They are seen ''decloaking''; of course, Honor Guards can use Active Camo.
#They wear light blue armor, as do Combat Evolved-era Stealth Elites. Minor armor is a deeper shade of blue.
#They don't have shields, just like Combat Evolved-era Stealth Elites.
#Who says you have to be an Honor Guard to wield one of those staves? They aren't the ceremonial kind used on High Charity.

There's more: As seen in Halo Wars: Genesis, Ripa 'Moramee's personal troops all wear crimson armor, ostensibly making them Majors. The soldiers of the enemy clan are bedecked in gold armor; apparently, these are the clans' colors, rather than Major/Zealot colors - it is a clan-to-clan fight on a Sangheili world, after all. Why, then, would the red-clad Honor Guards seem to be assigned to ''him'', rather than Regret, as they return to the Apex after escorting the Hierarch to his ship? What's more, why don't they put Ripa down when he draws a weapon next to Regret, which is supposed to warrant immediate termination? Maybe it's because they knew he was not a threat to the Prophet; however, they might have been some of 'Moramee's own troops.

As for the more normal Elites seen in the cutscenes: the ones seen in the Relic are Spec-ops Elites, not Stealth Elites, while the the blue ones in the intro are minors, and the one who stabs the marine is either a Stealth or Spec-ops.

Hopefully, this will be a topic of legitimate discussion, as it could really improve the Halo Wars sections of a few articles. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;A government strong enough to give you everything you want...is strong enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 22:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it me or is the people that can spell Sangheili without looking it up seem to know more about the halo series than people who cant spell Sangheili??--[[User talk:Stomping|Sangheili wunna be]] 11:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==
I recently edited the page to include information on the Elites "roaring" animation in Halo 2 and 3, and I would like to add an image of such (from Halo 3) to the page.... but I am a noob in such matters and figured it might be better for somebody else to do so. Would anybody be willing to do this (I have the image on my computer already)?

:I don't have the time ''right'' now, but tomorrow I can guide you through the process. In the meantime, head to [[Help:Images]] for help on uploading images and adding them to articles, and use [[Special:Upload]] for the actual uploading stuff. When uploading an image, the description can and should use wiki-formatting ([[Help:Links|links]], etc.) to describe what's in the page. If you could head to [[User:DavidJCobb|my profile]] and post a link to this talk page (<code><nowiki>[[Talk:Sangheili#Image]]</nowiki></code>) as a comment, that'd be helpful as a reminder. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 02:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Here is the image in question: [[File:Eliteroar.jpg|thumb|right|An Elite roars in Halo 3]]
Is there something wrong with it, should I find a different one? (I have several). It got deleted as soon as I put it on the page. - [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]]

:Firstly, it is reverted, not deleted. Secondly, the article has enough images, so please don't add new images unless it is from an upcoming game.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:17, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hello, I am Tucker's Creator. I’m new to this wiki and have yet to climb up the long social ladder here, but I have a question about Elites that I’d like to ask here: Have female elites ever been featured? Every name Elite I’ve seen (so far) is male and even those who are unnamed appear to display male characteristics (from a human perspective of course.) Thank you and please answer(More questions are on my userpage.)[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 00:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
:The first female Elite mentioned is Sanj'ik from the Halo Wars site. Unfortunately, as of yet no female elite has been seen 'visually'. *fingers crossed the Halo Encyclopidia does*.[[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 02:05, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. Actually I just read that apparently in the Halo 3 multiplayer, if you play as an Elite, you can choose to make them female, though this just changes the voice-over, not the model, and the multiplayer is non-canon anyway. Good for me, because I came with a REALLY weird idea for Elite females not too long ago.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 02:21, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

{{Quote|And in fact they are so alike in voice and appearance, they are often mistaken for Sangheili men. This has given rise to the belief that there ''are'' no Sangheili women, and that we simply spring out of holes in the ground! Which of course is ridiculous|Field Master 'Gimlee}}

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

For a long time, there was debate about whether the Sangheili even had two genders. Some speculated that they asexually reproduced. Even when Bungie confirmed that Sangheili took mates, they refused to believe it, and spun off on wild tangents about eggs coming out of mouths and other wierdness. San'jik, and then The Cole Protocol, thankfully put a stop to that. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:18, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I did come up with this one theory that involved Elite females being three-inch long bloodsuckers. But maybe Bungie's keeping secret for some reason. Maybe they have something planned... Or maybe they're just lazy.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 19:54, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Of course jumpin' out of holes is not what they do! Everyone know they are a result of breeding between a snake and a hamster! ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OObHcJqKZM 100 Ways To Die In Halo 3 - Look at #60]) [[User talk:H91|H91]] 10:06, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Funny, but I don't think that any Sangheili will be searching for a Holy Grail.

== Metric system ==
The Metric system is the standard measurement for length, weight and mass in the UNSC, most countries uses it. Stop reverting the edits, the Elite's weight should be expressed in kilograms, and the height in metres or centimetres. The world doesn't evolve around America, only America uses the ancient imperial system. The Metric system is used in the UNSC, and in all games. Freaking vandals. [[User talk:Baryon15|Baryon15]] 17:00, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, well the measurements in most official canon sources are measured using the English system, and in any case, both measurement systems are often shown in articles. Stop re-adding them - either add it alongside what's already there or leave it completely alone altogether. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:02, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
:Also, if they haven't been mentioned in the ''Halo Universe'', they don't get an article and are not to be added into an article. You'd better read [[H:NOT|this]] for reference. - [[File:Commander Silver Leaf.PNG|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:Black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup>([[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]])</sup> 17:04, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
::As per Smoke. Also, <code>|weight=</code> parameter doesn't exist, so please stop adding it to the template.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 17:12, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

No, you're wrong. In Halo: CE, in both the manual and in-game, the metric system has been used. The NAV marker measures the distance in metres, not feet. Same thing in Halo 3, in game, in the manual and in the beastarium. And I HAD the english system alongside the metric system, but the metric system should be placed infront of the english system. Most nations in the world uses the metric system, and The fall of Reach uses the metric system exclusively, so does The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest, and the Halo encyclopedia. The only offical canon source that uses the english system is the Cole Protocol, which is just one of its many flaws (the Elites in that book also uses human measuring). You moderators are freaking trångsynta idioter. 

And look at the field guide for Halo 3, ODST, http://www.bungie.net/projects/odst/guide.aspx, ONLY METRIC MEASUREMENT. The Metric measurement should be written before the english measurement. In contact harvest, the caliber of the stanchion is measured in milimetres. etc. You're just being patriotic by adding the English system, and removing the metric measurements. The metric system should come first, while the english system should be written after in a ( ). [[User talk:Baryon15|Baryon15]] 19:58, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

:Uh, no, you will put it in exactly as you are told - whatever is there first, STAYS first. I don't give a damn whether it's imperial measurement OR metric measurement - if it was there first, it STAYS first, understand me? Also, my other message that was here still goes - I catch you edit warring again and you will go away for six months. You have received enough warnings. You might want to cut out the stupid insults too - don't act like no one here can't understand you. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:13, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

:Haha, you just can't admit that you're wrong, the Cole Protocol is the only canon source that still uses English measurement. Any civilization in the future would be smart enough to see the benefits of the metric system over the English. No country adopts the English system anymore, but more and more are starting to use the metric system. The metric system would be the correct one to use, and you know it, but as long as -rseholes like you are in charge of Halopedia, patriotism goes first, and I'm so afraid of your threats, does that improve your self-esteem? [[User talk:Baryon15|Baryon15]] 20:20, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

::I said you could do both the FIRST time around, IN THE ORDER SPECIFIED. In one of your edits, you removed the Imperial measurement. Now, if you want to keep up the stupid comments about "patriotism" and the petty insults, you will be out of here. Keep being stupid and see where it gets you. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

::"-rsehole, right? Good, go away. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:27, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


Umm... crazy thought. Can't we just post measurements in '''both''' metric and imperial? Of course we can. That way everybody's happy.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 02:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

:From reading the posts, I think (and may be wrong) that the issues are:
:*Baryon switching the order so metric comes first
:*Baryon removing (some of?) the English measurements
:*Baryon insulting people in a rather immature manner.
:The problem is that switching the order isn't really allowed, I don't think -- whatever order was used when the article was created, I think, stays. There's also a rule against editing a page ''exclusively'' to change the dialect between American and British English, though I don't quite remember where I read that. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb&nbsp;</span>]]</b></span> 03:02, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

:If you noticed, Rusty, I said he could do both. That was before SHTF. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any actual ''policy'' on changing measurements and spelling to english, or which is "preferred", but we do discourage it. ''Heavily''. [[Blog:Standardised_Measurements|Forerunner has a blog up]] on the issue, and I agree with it, but it's not actual hard policy. But it is very minor editing, and adds little that is constructive to the article.  Since the majority of our viewers and most of our members are from the US, which uses the Imperial system and has different (read - strange) spelling, that's what we use. It's not better, it's just tailored to our demographic. As for Baryon's point on whether the UNSC use the Metric or the Imperial system, I don't think we know, nor do I care - until there is a character that explicitly says something along the lines of "I can't believe they used to use feet or inches," we don't know that the Imperial system has been abandoned. Metric is convenient, but Imperial has its advantages too.

And can I just ask something? We have Subtank, Manticore and myself as part of the administration who live in decidedly non-American parts of the world. Why would the decision to use both measurements be "patriotism"? And can patriotism even encompass ''units of measurement''? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 07:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

:I don't see how it does. He hates Americans and Westerners in general, as far as I can tell from his previous conflicts with others. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:19, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I got confused once people started saying about how this was involved in patriotism. I use Australian spelling and grammar in real life, but on halopedia I am constantly undoing edits from people who wish to change it from American spelling. Does that make me unpatriotic? In any case,  the English system was used here first, so it takes importance over the metric system. If you get told multiple times to leave it, then leave it. If it decided that it would be more efficient to use both, then use both. Also FYI Byron: "Halopedia is not a democracy".
~[[w:c:User:Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''Now You Know,'''</font>]] ~ [[w:c:halo:Special: Contributions/Blade_bane|<font color="purple">'''That Flattery Will Get You Nowhere.'''</font>]]~ 07:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane

If the Immperial/English system is still used in the UNSC, it's scarcly. The only canon source that uses the English system is the Cole Protocol, but Buckell made many mistakes regarding measurements in that book, the Elites, for exmaple, used inches, hours and years instead of units and cycles. The Encylopedia uses both, but that is because it is written from outside the universe (if you know what I mean, english not first language, soz), unlike the books and games. 

So canon sources that uses the metric system: The Fall of Reach, The Flood, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Contact Harvest, Halo: CE, Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST. Manuals from Halo:CE,2,3,ODST,Halo Wars use metric system. The field guides from Halo 3/odst uses the metric system.

Canon sources that uses the imperial/english system: The Cole Protocol.

Canon sources that uses both: The Halo encyclopadia. I think it is pretty safe to assume that the metric system is the standard system, which we all know will be true in a few decades, giving the advantages and determinism that the metric system offers. So in my opinion, the system should go like this: Metric (imperial). 

+ Baryon didn't remove the English system in any of the articles, except for Elites, which only had the imperial system before lol. And many races didn't have both until he edited, but he should still be banned for his immature insults. [[Special:Contributions/217.21.233.2|217.21.233.2]] 11:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Also, could you add both systems to this page? [[Special:Contributions/217.21.233.2|217.21.233.2]] 11:48, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the article is locked.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 15:16, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

::I forgot to unprotect it. Have at it. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:13, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Not to beat a dead horse, but since everyone is being so technical shouldn't weight be expressed as Mass times Gravity (''m/s<sup>2</sup>''), since varying gravity on worlds and ships would consequently affect the weight of the object, shouldn't we just stick to Mass.   As for measurements of distance, both the Metric and Imperial systems are arbitrary creations (though metric's integration is far superior with the rest of the system), and since no single choice appeals to every one I believe we should begin using Smoot (look it up) for all measurements of length, height and distance.  No one will be happy and sure it's ridiculous, but hey, isn't this entire argument.  I mean if the admins want it one way, deal with it.  No system is perfect and unless everyone takes advanced classes in physics, it really doesn't matter what system you use.  You could as well measure in M&Ms.  --14:09, November 5, 2009 (UTC)Spamhammer

LOL on this Baryon guy. His basic argument is Mother Russia shall control all! I guess he must have forgotten that Halo was by AMERICANS who live in AMERICA. I know, its shocking.

== Female elite? ==

In the preview for duel, that I saw in Waypoint there's the presence of a female maybe Sangheili or San 'Shyuum and if she is an elite can someone put an image? ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 18:51, November 16, 2009 (UTC))

I have watched ''The Duel'', and she is indeed a Sangheili. I don't have any pictures though and find that ''Halo Legends ''is not canon because she is married to a swordsman. I'm not sure if we should regard to her in any way. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:17, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Sangheili Vision ==

It is stated within the article that the Heretic Leader comments on the poor binocular vision of his species, but I can't help but wonder if this is an actual statement that he makes or if it is a misinterpretation of the line "the Elites are blind, Arbiter..."

It is my understanding that the Heretic Leader's proclamation as to the Elite's blindness is in reference to their decision to follow the Covenant, and is not an actual comment on their eyesight.

For clarification, I '''<u>am not</u>''' disputing the possibility that Elites have poor binocular vision. I am merely stating that, in my personal experience, the Heretic Leader does not comment on their eyesight.

Anything supporting or negating this would be welcome.

[[Special:Contributions/76.92.184.223|76.92.184.223]] 07:51, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

:That anyone would infer that from his statement is ridiculous. I've removed it from the article. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 08:53, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe this was from a while ago, but I think that the reasoning behind that was the placement of their eyes on the sides of their heads, which produces this effect in animals, and not the Heretic Leaders' statement. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 16:43, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

==Light of Sanghelios==

'''''Honor Guard Ultra'''''

''Rarely seen, the Honor Guard Ultras or "Light of Sanghelios" are the highest ranking guardians of a Prophet. Typically called "Helios," these soldiers will manage standard Honor Guards in many encounters, but if needed, they would gladly die to protect a Prophet.''

- From the Halo Encyclopedia.

Unless there's anything to contradict it, it seems these two ranks are the same thing. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 13:12, 29 December 2009 (GMT)

Then what about the council elites they are somewhat protectors right? and you fight only 1 of them in the level Gravemind(Halo 2)

I thought Honor Guard Councilors were the highest ranking guardians of a Prophet. They really were, weren't they? [[User:Youngrubby|<span style="color:green"><b>Rezo</b></span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Youngrubby|<span style="color:blue"><b>'Scratoqee</b></span>] [[Image:LocustHW.png|38px]] ([http://halopedian.com/User_talk:Youngrubby<span style="color:red"><b>Talk</b></span>]) 18:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

== HALO WARS ELITES  ==

Are the elites in halo wars a sub-group[[User talk:SPARTAN - 300|SPARTAN - 300]] 00:22, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

:No, they're just shorter.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 00:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

artistic liscence...

== CHANGE PICTURE ==

I think that we should update the pictures of elites to Halo 3, Halo Reach, or any other newer Halo game including elites. but we can keep pictures of Halo 2/Halo:CE elites. I just think we need more newer pics.
:Problem is that the current ones might not be the finalised version. The ones from the Bestiarum would do just fine for now.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 04:34, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

::Not to mention there's the problem that some of the ranks haven't appeared since Halo 2 (i.e. Ultras)--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''Rusty'''</font>]][[User:Rusty-112|<font color="Red">'''-'''</font>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<font color="Blue">'''112'''</font>]] 05:03, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
:                       Yeah, we may keep the rank pics that dont show in any other Halo game, and we may keep older ones for to show what they look like back then.[[User talk:SalemElliot|SalemElliot]] 07:20, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

== Elites/multiplayer ==

I know I'm reading too much into this picture but I think the Elites are still usable in multiplayer in Reach. The screenshot from Reach has an elite wielding a Plasma pistol with a Plasma rifle as his secondary weapon. We all know (or should know) that although Elites have plasma pistol animations in all the games they never spawn with them in normal gameplay, hence any Elites running around with Plasma pistol are probably in multiplayer. The argument I have set up also applies to the fact that all previous game AI characters have only spawned with one weapon. The only exceptions to this rule are the Arbiter AI in Halo 3 and the developer-controlled Brute biped in the ODST firefight trailer(the Brute at the very beginning that fires into the air and then gets smashed by a HEV)-explanation the brute looks into the air and fires randomly at the HEV, if you look closely in HD you can see that it has Brute Plasma Rifle as its primary weapon and a Plasma Pistol as a secondary weapon on its thigh- Brutes in normal gameplay never have two weapons except the one Plasma cannon wielding brute in The Storm, but its secondary weapon is a spiker and it only has it so it won't weaponless if it boards your vehicle. In conclusion unless there has been some kind of super overhaul AI, especially enemy AI never have two weapons in all the Halo games. Wow this post got Way too big sorry for the rambling super post. [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 22:40, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Your argument is quite plausible since it is perculiar to see a Elite wielding the Plasma Pistol as his primary weapon. In Halo 3 Campaign, the AI Elites do spawn with the Energy Sword as their secondary weapon, but there's nothing unusual about that. [[User talk:Sliding Ghost|Sliding Ghost]] 21:53, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looking at some of the material from the latest Reach screenshots and ViDoc, the Elites seem taller than the Spartans. Unless this height variation is moderated during multiplayer (given hunchbacks again, for example), it seems unlikely that the Elites are returning in multiplayer. Fingers crossed that they do, though.

[[User talk:Daget Sparrow|Capt. Daget J. Sparrow]] 03:11, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Aaactually, Elites do spawn with Plasma Pistols by default occasionaly. At the start of the Halo 2 level Cairo Station, two elites jump off a balcony in the first battle, one is dual wielding plasma pistols. -- [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 22:23, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yay its officially fully confirmed! Elites are in multiplayer1 [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 00:00, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

your gonna need more then words (LINKS MAN LINKS!) mah boi [[Special:Contributions/76.244.159.8|76.244.159.8]] 15:44, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Check out the Beta Multiplayer Trailer.[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|StalkerGrunt117]] 16:31, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

i may have (to a extent) to disagree with you StalkerGrunt117, there is a debate that the elites are only playable in the gametype Spartans Vs. Elites, i don't know what to think [[Special:Contributions/76.211.9.43|76.211.9.43]] 07:00, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well now Elites can ONLY be played in Elites Vs. Elites and Spartans Vs. Elites, no elites in Spartan Vs Spartan [[Special:Contributions/76.211.2.221|76.211.2.221]] 14:52, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

:I think you misread bungie. Spartans and Elites will still go up against eachother, just not in things like Arena... Things like "Invasion" "Spartans Vs Elites" And probably in slayer like things too. - [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 22:00, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
:: I don't get you. Does this mean you'll have to customise both a Spartan and an Elite? Because Noble Six can be customised, so if you have an Elite in Multiplayer do you just get a regular Spartan if you're forced to play as one (and in campaign)? [[User talk:Phlum|Phlum]] 19:51, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::You have no choice about being an elite, you will be made into one for each match that involves elites. And then in second round, changed to human, and the other team will go sprtan. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 21:48, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
This image may not be fro multiplayer though. Bungie has upgraded their AI's, but I'm not sure if they dual weild though. (Hope they do.) [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:28, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Combat section ==

What is the point of this section its basic message is shooting Elites with weapons in the game kills them. It is excessively long and has no real point. If every weapon has the ability to kill Elites do we really need to have a list of the situations in which they are effective. The individual weapons already detail the tactics for their use. I find this section excessive. I know my rare posts are also excessive. [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 22:51, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

== One question ==

How come the new image of the Halo: Reach elite shows him with a plasma pistol, because I doubt they would ever use it in campaign, does this mean they will be again available in multiplayer ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 16:38, January 29, 2010 (UTC))
:Probably just a coincidence with the image. Sangheili are capable of wielding a Plasma Pistol, though they never do so in capaign normally. Perhaps they will be available in multiplayer, though I'm not positively sure. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 16:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
::In the first Level of Halo 2 you can engage a Sangheili who is wielding two Plasma Pistols. ND {{Unsigned|79.240.129.206}}
:::What are you talking about? I've never seen an Elite with pp in any game. [[User talk:Guardians-117|Guardians-117]] 15:47, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
::::He does know that the [[The Heretic (Level)|first]] [[The Armory (Level)|two]] levels don't even have enemies, right?-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 15:53, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
"This is the only level in which Elites wield Plasma Pistols" This sentence is from the Cairo Station page...I was talking about the first playable level... —The preceding unsigned comment was made by 79.240.129.206 (talk • contribs).

Well with the BETA we can shove most speculation down the drain, Elites are playable, only in certain game types though :( [[Special:Contributions/99.164.62.69|99.164.62.69]] 11:50, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

:Bungie didn't say that they only appear in Boneyard. We simply only see them in Boneyard... in the Beta.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:19, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Female Elites? ==

Tried to edit the page and found it locked. Didn't used to be, which is a shame.


Just thought the article ought to mention the presence of a female Sangheili in the Halo Legends episode The Duel, since it doesn't seem to. Though besides that, this shouldn't be considered canon either since it is a personal art style as female Elites have yet to be specifically mentioned by Bungie appearance wise, as well as other contradictions with typical canon the Elites in the episode displayed ( as well as many other non-Elite aspects), such as the odd jaws most of the time, and over sized enemy Elite the Arbiter featured duels with at the end of said episode.[[Special:Contributions/194.82.58.162|194.82.58.162]] 00:41, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

== Relationship? ==

Everyone seems to think that the Elites and Humans formed major alliances and worked with one another at the end of the war. This doesn't seem the case. Judging by the short story [[The Return]] and other works, it looks like the Elites and Humans only formed a "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" alliance to help each other for a short time. What do you guys think?--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 23:37, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I know that is I fought by someones side for our very survival, I wouldn't become their enemy again, and the Sangheili respect humans, so why go to war with them again? Aye, they probably went back to ignoring eachother, but that wouldn't have been very beneficial for either side would it? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 22:28, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
:OH LOOK! A NERD! --[[User:Tyrone111|<span style="color:#CF1020">Tyrone</span>]] [[File:Tyrone111Xbox Avatar.png|25px]] [[User Talk:Tyrone111|<span style="color:#801818"><sup>The mastermind would like to speak!</sup></span>]] 23:30, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
::thats not true the venus flytrap turned on the chief and arb after helping them kill truth {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 07:21, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

The "Venus flytap" (lol) was never their ally, and was always planning to turn on em methinks. Also, if the tlies wanted to attack the humans, they probably could have after the Ark battle, cause earth was virtually undefended, the SoI could've probably done a lot of damage by itself. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 08:46, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
:the elites would have needed to stop for repairs and rest after the ark battle especially seeing how the soi was crippled {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 02:30, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Aye, but what was there to stop them returning once they were repaired? OH and if they really wanted, they could have left the humans behind on the ark while they left if they really wanted to. [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 06:28, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
:::that would be a mean prank ;o {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 00:39, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
:::After the [[Battle of Installation 00]] the Elites began rebuilding while also destroying the remainder of [[Loyalist]] forces, which took [[7]] years. They remained friendly with the humans and they broadcasted on the same channels. I read this somewhere specifically on Halopedia...[[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]] 01:14, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Ee Suffix and Ai Suffix ==

I know the 'ee' suffix has been removed from all the Sangheili names, but did their remove the 'ai' suffix from their names? [[User talk:Liquid Ink|Liquid Ink]] 11:09, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

:what 'ai' suffix? {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 07:17, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

::He's talking about ones like Kusovai [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|HGR]]

:::Noblemen. Sangheili noblemen are those with "swordsman" genes. You earn the "ai" suffix if you prove yourself as an excellent swordsman.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 13:14, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Reptillian ==

Are they mammals or reptiles? I wonder if they lay eggs? That would be cool for gameplay-Gametype "Egg Smasher" and you go around pissing elites off by smashing their eggs.--[[User talk:Justin Kane|Justin Kane]] 21:03, April 3, 2010 (UTC)Justin Kane

Huh. Wouldn't it also be fun for there to be an Elite version where you murder unborn babies?[[User talk:Einsteinium99|Einsteinium99]] 04:07, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

OMG Gametype: Thel Vadam, Abortionist M.D.!!! lolz----[[User talk:Justin Kane|Justin Kane]] 17:22, April 4, 2010 (UTC)Justin Kane

:They are neither mammals or reptiles, both of these are terrestrial clasifications. They belong to an extraterrestrial biosphere.--[[User talk:Plasmic Physics|Plasmic Physics]] 08:14, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
:        You guys have sick, sick minds. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:35, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
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== Weight? ==

This was raised on the MJOLNIR page as well, but I can't help but feel that the weight given for Elites must be wrong somehow. I was under the impression that Spartans were around double the norm of human weight due to increased muscle density (mentioned in Fall of Reach) setting them at about 160kg. This makes the Elites seem too light. Even if the Spartans were a different weight, 144kg seems much too light for a hulking huge alien that can flip cars around. I'm not suggesting an edit, as it was in the beastarium, just voicing my thoughts. Did anyone else find this?<br />
[[User talk:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 16:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)



Well, many creatures on earth have misleading weights, so it may just be an adaptation such as hollow bones or something. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 21:58, April 23, 2010 (UTC)



I agee an Elite should be aroung 600 pounds.




No, it's Brutes that should be 600 pounds...Not even, maybe around 400?



Elites should be, in my mind, around 200 pounds, 300 at the max



LOL, eiltes should be around 450 pounds. A human can reach a significantly higher weight than 200 pounds, and the heaviest person to ever live was 1600 pounds before she died at age 20. A sangheili has an eight foot frame, literaly packed with muscle (which weighes more than fat). Their legs are double jointed, meaning that they have a huge amount of muscle on their legs (theres a lot more space to fill in) and they are strong enough to crush an ODST's skull in one blow. They can even flip a vehicle as big as a tank. There is no way that an eight foot elite will weigh less than a muscular six foot human. The average adult human weight is 150 pounds, and an elite has WAYYYYY more than twice the muscle mass as the average adult human. 300 pounds for a small female elite maybe, or an emaciated male, but for a full sized adult, it would have to be more like 350 - 450.

- Dufflepud

Yes, I agree. I think the weight for elites should be heavier. I'm thinking like 400-550 pounds at least, given their musculature and height. 
-ArbiterOwns

==HeadHunter Elites?==
In the shot story HeadHunters. What are the Elites that killed everyone? [[User talk:Gogeta21|Gogeta21]] 02:59, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody got an answer? [[User talk:Gogeta21|Gogeta21]] 02:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)!!!

:They were Spec Ops Elites. [[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 02:23, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

::They were 'Elite' of some sort, either Spec Ops or those of the [[Commando Unit]]. [[User talk:Spartan 112|112]] 02:57, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, I was just repeating what the Headhunter page called them. [[User talk:SPARTAN-177|SPARTAN-177]] 17:44, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

==Pronunciation==
I hate to bring up an old argument, but the Rise of the Brutes video has the name "Sangheili" pronounced sang-HEEL-ee. Should that be put up in the article, so that there's no more arguments and/or confusion about the pronunciation, especially since, as far as I'm aware, that's the clearest it's been said aloud? [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 23:47, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

:Seems it's pronounced just the same as I always have. "Sang-Hee-Lee". [[User talk:Hitodama|Hitodama]] 08:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

::I personally pronounce it "Sang-Heel-I", but I would suspect that's not correct, given other sources. - [[File:Black Mesa.jpg|28px]] [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 23:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

:::<code>"Sung-Hay-Lee"</code>, if pronounced, sounds better in my opinion.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 23:33, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

:  San-gil-lee here, going off of how the Brutes in H3 pronounce it and how their homeworld is pronounced in ''The Duel'' (San-gil-e-os). [[User talk:Zeno &#39;Ribal|Zeno &#39;Ribal]] 00:35, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

The word seems Latin. Prenounced Latin it is Sang-HEEL-ee with a short A. When in doubt, turn to the Romans. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:44, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Intelligence/Honor ==

I added a couple paragraphs to their Intelligence section basically noting how their code of honor has clashed with their strategic skills. If anyone feels the need to edit/delete, can you argue it over here first? [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 16:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
:Can you please remove the excess links such as UNSC and Covenant? Also, please source/reference the information you added.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 16:30, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
::I killed those excess links but I'm gonna have to be honest...I don't really know how to put in the little source box things. I pretty much referred at least one example for each point though. [[User talk:Flayer92|Flayer92]] 17:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest checking [[Blog:Flooding Out!|this project overview]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">Σάπτανκ</font>]])</sup></font> 17:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

== Sangheili Sword ==
In Halo Legends, in the episode were the Arbider goes on a suicidal rampage killing hundreds of Covenant, he fights a high ranking elite and is killed. But thats not whats important. Whats important is that the high ranking elite had a huge metal sword instead of the standard-issue energy sword. It was shaped like an eneragy sword though. Does this mean that the Elites came up with the original design for the energy sword? --Bustie24 02:17, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

:Until we have a source we can't say anything.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:22, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
:I believe thier's a source for that in the Evolutions story "the return" [[User talk:Jabberwock xeno|Jabberwock xeno]] 19:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
::That would be the [[Curveblade]].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:53, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

== Knees ==

I remember reading in Contact Harvest that the Brutes took pleasure in seeing the Elite struggle with ladders. It stated the reason the Elites had trouble was because their knees beant backwards. Now I'm a bit confused by this. From images the Elites seem to have 2 sets of knees, the main knee, which is in the same place and works in the same way as it would on a human, and one lower down that seems to operate more like an ankle or something. But it still looks like, while it bends backwards it can still come as far forwards as a knee would. So why would they struggle with a ladder? Am I making sense? --[[User talk:Looq|Looq]] 23:05, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
:i concur {{User:Asdf1239/sig}} 10:29, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


There's no official source that I'm citing on this, but to me it looks like the upper knee on the Elites juts out quite a bit farther than a Human or Brute knee would when standing straight up. I could see this possibly making it difficult to climb up a ladder as it seems that the upper knee would bang on each rung as an Elite stepped up. An explanation that seems more likely to me, at least with Halo 2 and possibly Halo 3 Elites, is that Elites appear to walk on their toes like a dog or cat, and in the earlier Halo games, these toes seemed very inflexible, which might make it difficult to climb a ladder. Try climbing a ladder on your toes without bending them- it's harder than standing on a rung normally. Granted, this theory kinda falls apart with the Halo: Reach Elites that seem to have flexible toes. And again, this is all conjecture, but it's the best answer I can think of.

[[Special:Contributions/76.205.77.104|76.205.77.104]] 22:57, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

A new gameshow on Sangheilios. "Climb that 100ft. ladder and get $1,000!" says 'Bob Barkeree. [[User talk:Ooduke|Ooduke]] 01:52, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

== Height ==

The encyclopedia says they're 7'4", but since the games are above the books in terms of canon, and they're obviously taller than that in Halo: Reach, should this get changed?

Dagoth11: It is said that they are usually 8'6", though would you think that would affect gameplay, or the players fighting elite players psycilogically (tending to feel a bit intimidated by the height of their alien opponent, how they tower over thier spartan)? Should Bungie squat down the elites to equal size. They even said that they would make them fell more threatening in general, so I personally think they should give them their respectable height of 8'6", so they wont seem so "friendly" like in halo 3.

:The Bestiarum says that are 8'6", the encyclopedia says they are 7'4". This is conflicting information. I believe they are only 7'4" in their combat "hunched" stance found in Halo 2 and 3. In Halo: Reach, they aren't hunched anymore and should probably be noted as 8'6".--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 22:38, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, in Halo Reach they definitely are above 8 feet. The games should ALWAYS be taken higher than the books, like you say. It needs to be changed, since the bestiarum is more accurate than the encyclopedia anyways.
-ArbiterOwns
-ArbiterOwns

I think the anatomy section of the article deals with the height quite diplomaticaly by stating that an Elite is at least a foot taller than a Spartan [Spartan average being 7ish foot giving us the more popular/accepted 8 foot+ height for Sangheili]. However the info box cold says 7'4". As with the above comments we can clearly see, throughout the games, that this is false in the main. Could a hunched combat status not be accomodated in this article? Like with the Hunters in the game manuals. 7'4" Is blatantly just 343's policy of fitting square pegs into triangular holes, they seem to be unable to credit us with the intelligence to know that an Elite in multiplayer is that size for balance. There is no need for them to try and fudge it as canon. What next? We will learn that Co-op Spartans in the first games are Spartans in their own right? [[User talk:Classius|Classius]] 16:10, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Why not just put an elite next to an object with a known height in Reach? [[Special:Contributions/69.132.79.61|69.132.79.61]] 16:39, 29 December 2010 (EST)

==Eating==

do elites eat people

Welcome! From know on please remember to sign your posts. Next, your question, while I am not a biology expert I can see that they are obviously carnivores, so while they would probably not choose to eat humans, especialy after their alliance, in times of desperation they may in fact eat people. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 19:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

why do elites have to be bad {{unsigned|72.207.53.171}}

do elites have birth ,eggs, or both [[Special:Contributions/72.207.53.171|72.207.53.171]] 02:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

i dont realy have a profile[[Special:Contributions/72.207.53.171|72.207.53.171]] 02:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

We know that Jackals and Brutes eat human corpses, and Grunts may as well, but I doubt Elites do. For one thing, they have a warrior pride - such acts would be regarded as beneath them. For another, I think they find it just as disgusting as we do. The other species have no such compunctions. As for why Elites have to be "bad", I'll assume you're talking about Reach. It's a prequel, taking place before the first Halo game, before the Elites split from the Covenant. And while they may be enemies, I don't think they're "bad" - they're warriors, doing what they do best. And as for Elite reproduction - nobody knows. Its a mystery. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 10:25, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

That's sort of what I meant, if you had the choice between eating the corpse of someone you never met before or starving to death what would you do? I personally would eat it (remembering its this or die). That's the sort of thing I meant by ''times of desperation''. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

== Ranks ==

ok, on the template, the ranks don't appear to be organized in any paticular order. Shouldn't they be in order from lowest to highest? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 18:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

:No, it goes from highest to lowest. The template is fine and is in correct order. --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

::Have you looked at it? The ranks are not in order from lowest to highest. The rank on the top is Councilor, and the one on the bottom is Arbiter. I am 99.9% sure that Arbiter is one rank above Councilor, so how could they be the first and last ranks? Plus, if you're saying the template is in the right order, then you're saying Minor outranks Arbiter, Honor Guardsman, Ranger, etc. Last time I checked, Minor was the lowest rank. So it should be last, not in the middle.
::P.S. I am not talking about the rank template. I am talking about the template at the top right of the page. [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 17:44, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

:::Ah, my mistake. I was looking at a different template. Sorry about that. :P --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 17:52, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

:::I fixed the template to its correct order. Arbiter is not a rank, it's a title. Once an Elite is shamed, he is stripped of his current rank and is forced to hold the new title, not a rank. It is true that he becomes in control of nearly the entire Covenant, but it is still not considered as a rank in the Covenant. --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 18:08, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

A few weeks ago they were lowest to highest in their respective sections, but now they're all muddled up. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 17:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

:Wrong. The template was like this for years. The only changes were the files and fixes to the descriptions. --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:I've added the general and field marshall ranks, can someone clean it and add the links please. I am right about the main table (though I concede the ranks section in the infobox is fine), I was refering to the good old days when SpecOps officer was under the SpecOps section. [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 18:58, July 24, 2010 (UTC) Eh? Any reason why they were deleted? [[Special:Contributions/82.45.116.95|82.45.116.95]] 07:51, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


Back to my normal crusade. I just re-played Halo 2 on Legendary, and not ONCE did I see a Major take on and survive against "an entire squad of UNSC Marines." In fact, groups of 1-3 Marines-fire team strength at most-generally defeat much larger groups of Covenant troops, including Majors. You guys REALLY need to re-play or read, because this Covenant bias is alarming. --[[User talk:HellJump04|HellJump04]] 10:38, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

Covenant bias? What planet are you on HellJump04, I think you will find your the one biased in favour of the UNSC (UNSC engage and destroy whilst outnumbered, what a load of cack) and on all the Halo games, any difficulty above normal, the COVENANT FORCES HAVE A TENDENCY TO COME OUT ON TOP!!!! I shouted, sorry. But as much as the Minor Elites are absolute noobs, the Majors and higher ranks of Elites tend to do ''pretty'' well against the armour-wise superior UNSC troops on Halo 2 and 1. 1 Elite is superior to 1 Marine, applies to even the Minors. The only non-spartan enemy I can say do good against Covies are ODSTs, the rest are ridiculously ineffective I've said before read the conversation that says how the books that you keep telling us to read, make it clear how ridiculously ineffective Marines are against covie ground forces http://halopedian.com/Talk:Covenant_Empire/Archive_1. Go to the Covenant millitary section and see for yourself. Sorry if I may have breached the personal attack rule but I do think that HellJump04 did need, a little awakening out of fantasy island. Halo, is a fictional game, doesnt make a damn bit a difference if you served in the US millitary, its N-O-T R-E-A-L!!!
--[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 15:01, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

== Macto Cognatus ==

"macto Cognatus" definitely does not mean "I honor my father's blood". Even if Bungie says thats what it means in latin, why can't anyone post the actual meaning? ( macto = honor cognatus = related by blood ) so by itself it says " Honor Related By Blood". I seriously don't get why no one will correct it.

::Lots of games do this. For example, Smash Bros. Brawl has its opening theme in Latin but its translation takes many liberties with Latin grammar. Regardless, '''BOTH''' translations are kept on SmashWiki, not just the "correct" one, since the "incorrect" one is given in-game and is thus canon(see here:[[http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl_Main_Theme]]). If you don't like it, note it in the trivia section, but don't put it in the main intro, as it will look out of place and disrupt the flow of the article.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator''''''</span>]]'' 02:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)''

Yeah, also there are a lot of translations to that : ''macto''= reward, honor, punish, trouble, slaughter, kill, offer, sacrifice, immolate and ''cognatus''= related by blood, kindred, related, connected, like, similar, a blood relation, blood relative, kinsman. [[File:Extermination.gif|30px]]<font style="background:white">[[User:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:red">Alpha Lima Echo Xray</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|<font style="color:blue">Talk</font>]]</sup></font> 09:35, July 7, 2010 (UTC)



by related blood it could mean father because who in a sangheili family would be worth honoring and who shed their blood(pobably in combat) not the mother or any other female so it would be the father. this is just an assumption.[[Special:Contributions/69.171.170.10|69.171.170.10]] 11:59, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

== Wierd Elites ==

Some Elites who don't look right:
*I was just playing "Gravemind" on Halo 2. After a battle I looked at the body of an Elite. It was orange. Not gold like a Zealot, but not crimson like a Major. Bona fide orange. It didn't have honor guard plates or anything. It looked just like your standard Elite, but its armor was bright orange. Does anyone know what it is supposed to be?

#P.S. I am not talking about the "[[Honor Guard Councillor]]," another weird Elite in this level; this Elite was just outside the Mausoleum.

*Then on the next level, where you play as the Arbiter again, you hear talk about the Brutes murdering the Elite Councilors. You also see a lot of dead Elites. But they look exactly like Minor Elites, not Councilors. Are they supposed to be the Councilors? Or maybe they were with the Councilors? Does anyone have an answer? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 20:58, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


Ok, here is how I will answer all your questions.

1. There could be a lighting problem with that Sangheili.

2. Could be a bug.

3. The talk about the Jiralhanae and Councilors is an Easter egg.

4. The Minor Domos could had just been few of the many that got killed by the Jiralhanae.

5. Bungie could had just simply made a mistake.

6. They could be with the Councilors, but I doubt that.

Hope that helped. --[[File:Invincibilityhud.svg|20px]] [[User:Ultra Force|<span style="color: gray; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 120%;">'''Ultra Force'''</span>]] 04:25, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nooooo, Bungie never makes mistake though! Ur deluded! >:O[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 00:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Sources ==

So lately, for some reason, <nowiki><references></nowiki> no longer seems to work, making the citations appear in the page. I've been going about and replacing this with the <nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki> template to fix the problem, but I don't know how to do this on special notes such as this page. Does someone else know how? -- [[User talk:SFH|SFH]] 16:52, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

:Odd. It works for me in both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer. Anyway, removed slideshow feature. Should work now.- [[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 17:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


== Homeworlds: A Proposal ==

Nearly every article on Sangheili individuals lists his/her homeworld as Sanghelios. There is rarely proof that this is the case. We know the [[Vadam]] clan, [[N’tho ‘Sraom]], [[Usze ‘Taham]], the [[Reff 'Talamee|'Talamee]] [[Thon 'Talamee|brothers]], and the characters from ''[[The Duel]]'' are from Sanghelios, but that's about it. Nowhere is it confirmed, for example, that [[Sesa 'Refumee]] is a native of Sanghelios, or that [[Noga 'Putumee]] was born there,'' et cetera''. In fact, ''[[Halo Wars: Genesis]]'' all but confirms that [[Ripa 'Moramee]] is from [[Decided Heart]], a colony world.

The Covenant ''Empire'', (emphasis on "''Empire''"), is vast, much bigger than the UNSC, and is sure to have many more colonies (i.e. [[Joyous Exultation]].) The Sangheili quite possibly have many of their own colonies, perhaps even before the Covenant came into being. With all that space available to them, wouldn't the Sangheili, as well as every other Covenant race, establish residence on other worlds and moons, rather than remaining confined to their home planets/systems and to ''High Charity''? Wait! ''High Charity''? Who's to say no Elite has ever been born there? Seriously though, we don't just say a human is from Earth because we don't know where he's from.

So what's my proposal? I suggest that, unless we have incontrovertible proof that an Elite is actually from Sanghelios, said infobox section should be left blank. By extension, I suggest this apply to all Covenant individuals, regardless of species. If we don't ''know'' their homeworlds, we shouldn't assume we know them. Thoughts? --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 19:30, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, I addressed this exact same thing in [[Talk:Covenant Empire/Archive 1#Character Homeworlds|Talk:Covenant Empire]] a while ago. And I agree, assuming everyone is from their species' homeworld is ludicrous; as you said, with the same logic we could assume all humans with undetermined homeworlds are from Earth. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 21:46, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

::So... is this idea worth turning into a standing policy? Granted, it may be a little difficult to enforce at first, but perhaps it could be added to the next ''Manual of Style''. Anybody else care to share their thoughts on this matter? --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 01:00, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

::      There is strong evidence to suggest that infact all Sangheili warriors have Sangheilios as their birthplace, and as such no colonies may exist. What I mean by this is that there could very well be resource worlds, shipyards, military outposts, penal colonies (One of these does exist, ''Halo: Genesis) ''etc'','' but no population centres. Basis for this as follows:

::''"Most, if not all, Sangheili warriors have come from the planet, including the latest Arbiter" - Halo Encyclopaedia, Page 299''

::Of course, this could mean that only Sangheili of the Homeworld may be considered worthy enough to enter into the service of the Covenant, and that the colonies are regarded as second citizens. There is also ''Decided Heart'' to take into consideration as well, which appears to be a colony. However, it may be a military powerhouse like Reach due to its designation as "Base world". This is just speculation though, and the above Encyclopaedia quote seems to suggest that Sangheilios is their only world. --[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 03:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

== Language ==

Since the Covenant species get their own languages now I'm assuming that we (as in us at Halopedia) will be a source of translations, grammar structure, words, pronunciation and quotes. So do we make another page for each language? I think this is the best option because, depending on the amount of dialogue, the page could be MASSIVE. But this raises a few issues, what are the languages called? How will we obtain translations? Will Bungie release a book or site about it? 

I chose to ask this because I guarantee I will be one of the first to learn Sangheili (that what its called?).

[[User talk:Gilgamesh the usurper|Gilgamesh the usurper]] 04:00, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

:Since we don't know each species' language, we labelled them as [[Covenant Language]].- [[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 04:05, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

== Sangheili - San-Shyuum War ==

I believe there is speculation in the section detailing the Sangheilis first encounter with the San-Shyuum.

''"Even though the Sangheili had a large numerical advantage '''and much stronger ships''' and soldiers in general..."''

The part about numerical advantage is fine, and the part about stronger soldiers is all good, obviously. The assumption of "much stronger ships", the part in bold text, is the part I wish to address. Considering the San-Shyuum were all in the Forerunner dreadnought, how can the Sangheili have stronger ships? Also, this seems like para-phrasing from ''Contact Harvest'', in which case I can not see it either.

"''In terms of ships and soldiers, the Sangheili started the fight with a distinct numerical advantage. - Contact Harvest, Page 147''"

It talks about more Sangheili ships, but not stronger ships. If they had stronger ships, why would they be in danger of losing and have to make them even stronger? In either case, the above quote alone should negate what has been written in the article surely, as Halopedia policy dictates no speculation does it not, and I do not see explicit references to stronger ships, or even other San-Shyuum vessels in official canon TMK. --[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 02:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 05:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

== New ranks. ==

We're gonna need to add a few more ranks (with epic armor), General, Field marshall.
Zealot will probably need an updated image too, due to the fact that Reach pictures seem to be the preferred ones now. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Another thing on Bnet update, is what I'm guessing is possibly part of the Writ of Union.

:''All who walk the blessed path will find Salvation... even in Death.'' (Minor)
:''Out of Darkness these blades will light our way.'' Specops)
:''Glory and Honor guide our ascension.'' (Ranger)
:''On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons.'' (Ultra)
:''The true devotee honors our name with actions, not words.'' (Zealot)
:''Victory is secured, not from the throne, but from the front lines.'' (General)
:''With this sacrament of blood we journey into the Divine Beyond.'' (Field Marshall)
--[[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Black">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:39, August 8, 2010 (UTC)



I know the line after <i>"On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons"</i> is "We swore to uphold the Covenant!" But this is a good observation. And I agree that General and Field Marshall need to be added, they're definitely above Zealot and likely below Supreme Commander (which is a Navy rank and not Army rank anyways)-[[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]] 01:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I added them to the list, but can't find out how to edit the rank template.-[[User talk:Joseph-G111|Joseph-G111]] 01:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

== The Duel: closed mouths possibility ==

Obviously it is to humanise/seperate the main 'good' characters but thinking 'in universe' it may be a cultural difference. Like with different cultures on Earth in terms of etiquette, fashion, diets etc maybe holding the mouth closed was an old or a regional tradition. It could even be [lol no pun intende] an elitist thing, setting themselves apart from the 'slack jawed' yokels. It would fit with Chavamee being somewhat of a conservative/traditional Sangheili, holding himself to an old/niche ideal. [[User talk:Classius|Classius]] 16:24, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

:No. Because you never see that again in any Halo things. It was the artistic freedom the creators had while making the episode and should '''NOT BE REGARDED AS CANNON'''[[User talk:Vegerot|Vegerot]] 06:44, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Seems like an idea to me.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 19:00, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

:Me too. ''The Duel'' may have been cheesy, but it is still canon and there doesn't need to be as huge of a hatedom for it when it comes to tiny little examples like this that, as you suggested, can be explained by plain ol' cultural differences.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 02:12, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

::I thought it was obviobius that the Elite's just moved the mandibles together to make a sort of jaw. This is clearly seen when fal screams at the death of his wife.  [[Special:Contributions/69.132.79.61|69.132.79.61]] 16:36, 29 December 2010 (EST)

== Tailed Elite look? ==

So I was playing Halo 3 one day when a thought hit me : An Elite with a tail! The tail looked like it was lightly armored, just over the top of it, and it was similar in looks to a T-rexs tail, but had the colour of an Elites skin. Can I have some opinions on this? [[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 22:31, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Glitch. Were you doing Co-Op over Xbox Live? If so, it was most likely just lag in the animation which caused it to seem like it had a tail.[[User talk:Vegerot|Vegerot]] 06:45, August 29, 2010 (UTC)



Either I have a poor writing ability or you mis-read it, this is a thought I had. [[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 17:59, August 31, 2010 (UTC)



OH! I thought you meant you were playing one day and you saw it. But that's one pretty bad idea(I know that might be a little harsh but you DID ask for criticism)! They wouldn't look cool at all or be anything special. The only thing that can look cool be freaking kick-ass/awesome AND have a tail are Saiyans.[[User talk:Vegerot|Vegerot]] 20:54, August 31, 2010 (UTC)!



Thanks for your opinion, I'm glad you did actually give me the truth. :)[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 14:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I know this is a month old discussion, but I just want to say that bugie origanally intened for elites to have tails. They took it out when they reallzed how akward they would look when they where sitting.[[User talk:Jedizora|Jedizora]] 21:12, 2 February 2011 (EST)

== New eyes? ==

Is it me or do the elites have different looking eyes? [[User talk:Deltah09|Deltah09]] 21:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The Elites eye colors have changes from diffrent colors since the start of Halo: Combat Evolved. I don't know the specific colors but From Halo:CE to Halo 2 The Eyes get Darker, and then on in Halo 3 the eyes turn Orange. [[User talk:Kboy21|Kboy21]] 16:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)



Yeah but now they have no pupils.[[User talk:Deltah09|Deltah09]] 21:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

== Life expectancy? ==

Does it state anywhere in the ''Halo'' series what the life expectancy for a Sangheili is?--<font color="green">[[User:Rollersox|Death will follow you]]...</font><font color="blue" size="2"><sup>[[User talk:Rollersox|but you can survive]]</sup></font> 13:23, 5 December 2010 (EST)

:We don't have any information, I'm afraid. Thel is at least 23 in Halo 3.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:15, 5 December 2010 (EST)

== Rank reorganisation ==

We need a complete reorganisation of the ranks. In the way it is shown, Councillor is above Imperial Admiral. In the real world, that's the same as a General being promoted to an MP (government-kind) or senator. You just can't be promoted to a normal member of government - unless you're in defence, you leave your job to work in the government.

{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Minor}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| }}
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Major}}
{{familytree | | | | |,|-|-|^|-|-|.| }}
{{familytree | | | |U| | | |O| |U=Ultra|O=Osoona (title-only)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| }}
{{familytree | | | | |)|-|-|-|-|-|.| }}
{{familytree | | | |Fi| | | |S| |Fi=Fieldmaster (Army)|S=Shipmaster (Navy)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | }}
{{familytree | | | |Fm| | | |Fl| |Fm=Fieldmarshal (Army)|Fl=Fleetmaster (Navy)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | }}
{{familytree | | | | |`|-|-|v|-|-|(| | | | }}
{{familytree | | | | | | |Su| |!|Su=Supreme Commander (title-only)}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |Ia| |Ia=Imperial Admiral (Navy)}}
{{familytree/end}}

-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 10:21, 20 December 2010 (EST)


Covenant don't exactly follow 21st century Western ranking traditions. They're not humans. So being promoted form Imperial Admiral to Councilor would most likely not be analogous to a General being promoted to MP.--[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]] 10:38, 20 December 2010 (EST)

:What I mean is that we have a single line that makes little sense. It tries to put them in an order, then inserts titles as though they were ranks and claims that certain Army ranks are superior to their Naval equivalent. I'm not saying that we use the tree method I used above, but to separate the ranks section. Perhaps we could split ranks after "Ultra" into "Army" and "Navy".-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:37, 20 December 2010 (EST)

::You mean put them side-by-side like the jackal page?--[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>[[File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif|20px]] 11:42, 20 December 2010 (EST)

:::Sure.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 11:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

Bumping old discussion. I believe the following is an accurate illustration of the Sangheili ranking system:
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Minor}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| }}
{{familytree | | | | | | |M|M=Major}}
{{familytree | | | | |,|-|-|^|-|-|.| }}
{{familytree | | | |U| | | |O| |U=Ultra|O=Ossoona (title-only)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| }}
{{familytree | | | | |)|-|-|-|-|-|.| }}
{{familytree | | | |Fi| | | |S| |Fi=Field Master (Army)|S=Ship Master (Navy)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | }}
{{familytree | | | |G| | | |Fl| |G=General (Army)|Fl=Fleet Master (Navy)}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |!| | | | }}
{{familytree | | | |Fm| | | |Su| |Fm=Field Marshall (Army)|Su=Supreme Commander (title-only)}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |!}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |Ia| |Ia=Imperial Admiral (Navy)}}
{{familytree/end}}
Note: in my opinion, General is the new title for Field Master (i.e. renamed), and that their role is only for the Army and not the Navy, [[Field Master|contrary to what the article says]].— <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:04, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

== Arent humans strategically better than Sangheili. ==

Seriously, humans must be better than the Elites we prove this time and time again. Four ODSTs at alpha base take on a much larger Sangheili force and win. Sgt Force kills the Arbiter relying on combat skill rather than brute strength. 1 Elite could not kill just 2 Marines without assistance. Even on Legendary on Halo 2, Humans through marksmanship and sniping manage to slaughter thousands (exaggeration slightly) well not thousands, but many Elites whilst taking far fewer casualties. Elites are not that bad I know but as theyre code of honour holds em back, they cant be that bright to let that happen. Just thought id add a fwe lines bought that but pls argue it here first. --[[Special:Contributions/90.219.207.202|90.219.207.202]] 14:36, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
 
: no they are not

:Why is this such a big deal? The sentence ''"the Elites have referred to making what they see as dishonorable and are looking into making it similar to, if not the same as human tactics."'' is perfectly fine and it's not necessary to take sides either way. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:48, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
 
:Maybe we should protect this page this edit war is getting annoying [[User:Halofan1234|Forgive My English]] [[User talk:Halofan1234|TALK TO ME BABY]] 14:51, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

::We seem to have this edit war every few months. Look - they use ''different'' strategies. Humans are superior in their tactics; Sangheili in their own. It's like saying that Bungie is better at designing games than Ensemble based on the fact that FPS and RPG are both genres. The Sangheili-led siege on Alpha Base in an example of Sangheili tactics - they tricked the Marines into believing that they were a Pelican making its way in, when in actuality they were an armed force sent in to kill John-117. Going around killing people in close-quarters combat doesn't mean that you aren't a strategist - Sangheili have such a big advantage in CQC that they simply don't need to be tactical in such engagements, though neither does this mean that they ''don't'' use strategic tactics.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:58, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

But time and time again, we prove we are better strategists. You, Fore even said the covenant werent good tacticians at all elites included. --[[Special:Contributions/90.219.207.202|90.219.207.202]] 15:01, 8 May 2011 (EDT)