Talk:Halo: A Fistful of Arrows

An issue

People gonna hate me for this, but this needs to be addressed. No doubt, there is an insurmountable significance when asked the notability. However, the question is not focused on notability, but rather on the floodgate issue: what can we do to avoid waves of unnecessary fan-made content added onto Halopedia. Thus, to what extent are we gonna allow fan-made content on this wiki? There needs to be a limit or some kind of guideline that sets what is permitted and what is not.

A few notes to remind others: Halopedia focuses only on official content with a few of fan-made ones that was published alongside official products (i.e. Warthog Jump game featured on HBO, which is also featured on H3 special disc). The wiki does focus on community sites such as Rampancy.net, HBO and Halomaps.org, but community site is a category not interchangeable with content such as literary/artistic/animation works. Certain fan-made content such as Oonsk has been removed from Halopedia as it was forced popularity, while others such as Mister Chief was allowed since they were created by members of the officials.

And yes, I am aware that I've created a few in the past.— subtank 10:00, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Same as we've done in the past: only keep the most popular of the popular and reputable of the reputable on Halopedia. If I remember correctly, Red vs. Blue, Arby 'n' the Chief, and Operation Chastity are the only significant fan-made content articles here on Halopedia at the moment. Don't see why we should give up that stance now. Saying that however, as with previous fan made works, I still believe that the content allowed for these articles should be extremely limited to the status of the work; the most I personally would allow for A Fistful of Arrows would be this article, maybe one highlighting Levi's work, and perhaps a little mention in Jun-A266's trivia section. Oh, and we do hate you. :P CommanderTony

Red vs Blue has a pseudo-official status; they were mentioned/previewed in H3's special edition package. The other two, like you said, is of special status for being widely popular.

Oh, the hatred... :( — subtank 10:16, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Well even if it isn't as popular as Red vs. Blue or other works, the content of his work is merit enough to award such an article. Especially when so many people feel so highly about its content and their views towards it. Who knows....maybe this is what 343i needs to push it into canon [dreaming, quite doubtful :)] CommanderTony

What Tony said. And yes, we can dream of such a wonderful thing... - Halo-343 (Talk) 10:40, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Then comes the writer of this page: Actually, there are 17 (1*7 = 7 :o) fan-made materials here on Halopedia. In my opinion, most of these articles are probably first written by people who really, really, really enjoyed that fan-made material. To be honest, I really, really, really did enjoy this comic. But, if this will unlock the Flood research facility, I will not mind deleting this page, and absolutely not hate anyone for it. Maybe we can set a policy, that only fan-made materials mentioned by 343i or Bungie is notable enough, but that may seem too harsh. Sorry for not asking permission before starting this page. I remember there was a discussion on this before, somewhere. —S331 _{(Tank beats Everything!)} 10:47, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

While our main focus is undoubtedly on official content, I have no problem with the wiki documenting the most exceptional and well-known fan works. As for notability, I think it should be judged individually on a case-by-case basis, and common sense, overall popularity, even official recognition should be enough to determine whether the subject deserves its own page. If we start contesting the notability of A Fistful of Arrows, I personally think it's way more notable than something like Halo: Faith or Operation Chastity - as far as I can tell, there isn't even a trailer out for either of the films so far. Meanwhile, A Fistful of Arrows has been recognized by both Bungie and 343i more than once, not to mention being hugely popular, well-known and overwhelmingly well received across the community. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:07, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

It's not an issue of notability as much as it is an issue of opening the floodgate; they all satisfy that worthiness requirement but the popularity element needs to be assessed (i.e. is it forced upon). But you pretty much summed up what I want to say. :) — subtank 11:22, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

As per Jugus. I haven't seen too many other cases where "hordes" of people have tried to push fan-made content onto this wiki, save for their own fanfiction, so I think it should still be easy enough to tell anyway following this which are notable and which are not, and that we shouldn't worry about a "slippery slope." Looking at the Fan-made category, some of the mentioned seem less than notable, (but that might be a consequence of time or keeping up with the news) at least less notable than this fellow discussed here. Because it HAS been recognized by Bungie and 343. A LOT. Something like say, Company 0051? Still popular, but less noted by the developers, therefore it stays off. (Sorry Jameson.) Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 11:26, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

It's funny, because I just clicked on your social profile, looked at your Favorite Halo Moment, and saw the phrase "getting on the Homepage of Halo.Bungie.Org." I clicked it. Whoaaaaaa, A Fistful of Arrows getting a TVTropes page. Like I said, "Maybe we can set a policy, that only fan-made materials mentioned by 343i or Bungie is notable enough." —S331 _{(Tank beats Everything!)} 11:33, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

@S331: It vas may proudest mohment! *Weeps* Okay, back to serious. Perhaps we need to do a serious assessment of the fan material we've already included in this category, see if it still deserves to be here based on our current standards.Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 11:41, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

To answer my main question, and by referring to the comments (and great contributions to the discussion), it can be deduced that the guideline for fan-made content would be as such: that it needs to be recognised by 343i and/or Bungie; and that it needs to be popular with the Halo community; and that there needs not be any form of external elements influencing that popularity (i.e. forced popularity). Ok? — subtank 11:41, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

I agree with CT, it should be limited to the work itself and brief mentions elsewhere. We'll just have to keep an eye out for people trying to exceed that, oh, and we could never hate you Subtank. :) Col. Snipes450 11:47, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

I agree with subtank as well: recognised by 343i and/or bungie, popularity and external elements influencing it. That being said, on a personal note the story sounds much better then some actual works of canon. --Thijsbos 13:03, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Yes, recognition is the way to go. Things like Red Vs Blue are featured on Halo Waypoint, recognized in the Tribute Room and even are referenced in in-game dialogue and Easter eggs. Things like that I have no issues with keeping. pestilence Phil, pestilence! 15:12, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

Taxi-shot interpretations

The summary of Act 2 has a bit of a discrepancy between what's described and what I believe the comic intends to portray, so I've rewritten it a little. Interpretations can be subjective, but the original interpretation that Jun missed his shot on the driver and instead accidentally shoots out the tire, and is then ashamed of missing the shot, doesn't seem to align with Jun's prior characterization in the same comic. On top of that, the order of panels explicitly show's Jun's scope drifting from the passenger side, to the driver side, then down to the tire BEFORE taking the shot and complimenting himself; to me, this much more strongly implies that he attempted to non-lethally disable the vehicle, and was instead remorseful that the driver died anyways after losing control and crashing off the highway. —ZakT (talk) 20:06, December 1, 2024 (EST)