Editing Talk:Carrow Conflict

== Renaming ==

I think this should be renamed to Carrow Conflict because its more than just a simple battle.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 14:27, 16 January 2019 (EST)
:As there is no conjecture template, I would assume that the battle is identified as such in the book or another source.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 17:59, 16 January 2019 (EST)d9328
::Its not. No official name is actually given for it in the book. The only part of the battle that gets an official name is [[Operation: BUZZHAWK]] where the Surakans destroy the {{Class|ORS|heavy cruiser}} ''[[Foebane]]''. That's clearly called by name in one spot (only one though) and is a smaller part of the overall conflict. Its more than a simple battle for control of the planet as well. Its more like a mini-war. Near the end of the book, [[Rojka 'Kasaan]] calls it a war. Its pretty much part-civil war, part struggle with [[Hekabe]] and his faction. While talking with [[Akato 'Dakaj]], Rojka talks about how "during this war" he realized he might not see [[Rak]] again and then talks about how the war is over and enough blood has been shed and he no longer seeks vengeance against [[Gray Team|the Demon Three]]. Certainly the Rojka versus [[Thars 'Sarov]] is pretty much a civil war. It includes several different fights across the planet, only some of which are really chronicled. Parts of the space battle, part of the attack on Suraka, Operation: BUZZHAWK, the attack on the [[Sharquoi]] hive, the attack on [[Rak]] by Thars' hijacked ships (the hijacking being another part that's only briefly covered) that's only partly covered... Its more like a mini-war. Or like the [[Battle of Installation 04]] with all of those smaller battles making up one big conflict. I wouldn't go so far as to call it an actual war though.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 20:16, 16 January 2019 (EST)
:::I haven't read the book myself (or anything like Mythos which might expand on the event in question) but just based on this information I think that the Carrow conflict might be a more fitting name, as it seems similar in scope to that of the Second Ark Conflict which also has the "conflict" name. Something like the "Conflict at Carrow" may also work. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 20:31, 16 January 2019 (EST)
::::Exactly. The Second Ark Conflict is probably a good example. The infobox needs alteration as well since the [[Jiralhanae]] are ultimately a third faction in the conflict. They pretended to work with Thars to get to the planet then betrayed him when they thought he'd caught onto them. He actually hadn't fyi but their whole plan was to use the [[Sharquoi]] for themselves and they always had separate goals and plans.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 21:09, 16 January 2019 (EST)
[Reset]As far as I can tell, the infobox does have the brutes as their own faction? Unless I'm missing something. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:32, 17 January 2019 (EST)
*My mistake. I actually missed that. I'd go with Hekabe's faction not warpack though.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 09:32, 17 January 2019 (EST)
::Warpack is another term for pack; several other pages use it.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 14:39, 17 January 2019 (EST)d9328
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 I think this should be renamed to Carrow Conflict because its more than just a simple battle.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 14:27, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 :As there is no conjecture template, I would assume that the battle is identified as such in the book or another source.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 17:59, 16 January 2019 (EST)d9328
-::Its not. No official name is actually given for it in the book. The only part of the battle that gets an official name is [[Operation: BUZZHAWK]] where the Surakans destroy the {{Pattern|Varric|heavy cruiser}} ''[[Foebane]]''. That's clearly called by name in one spot (only one though) and is a smaller part of the overall conflict. Its more than a simple battle for control of the planet as well. Its more like a mini-war. Near the end of the book, [[Rojka 'Kasaan]] calls it a war. Its pretty much part-civil war, part struggle with [[Hekabe]] and his faction. While talking with [[Akato 'Dakaj]], Rojka talks about how "during this war" he realized he might not see [[Rak]] again and then talks about how the war is over and enough blood has been shed and he no longer seeks vengeance against [[Gray Team|the Demon Three]]. Certainly the Rojka versus [[Thars 'Sarov]] is pretty much a civil war. It includes several different fights across the planet, only some of which are really chronicled. Parts of the space battle, part of the attack on Suraka, Operation: BUZZHAWK, the attack on the [[Sharquoi]] hive, the attack on [[Rak]] by Thars' hijacked ships (the hijacking being another part that's only briefly covered) that's only partly covered... Its more like a mini-war. Or like the [[Battle of Installation 04]] with all of those smaller battles making up one big conflict. I wouldn't go so far as to call it an actual war though.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 20:16, 16 January 2019 (EST)
+::Its not. No official name is actually given for it in the book. The only part of the battle that gets an official name is [[Operation: BUZZHAWK]] where the Surakans destroy the {{Class|ORS|heavy cruiser}} ''[[Foebane]]''. That's clearly called by name in one spot (only one though) and is a smaller part of the overall conflict. Its more than a simple battle for control of the planet as well. Its more like a mini-war. Near the end of the book, [[Rojka 'Kasaan]] calls it a war. Its pretty much part-civil war, part struggle with [[Hekabe]] and his faction. While talking with [[Akato 'Dakaj]], Rojka talks about how "during this war" he realized he might not see [[Rak]] again and then talks about how the war is over and enough blood has been shed and he no longer seeks vengeance against [[Gray Team|the Demon Three]]. Certainly the Rojka versus [[Thars 'Sarov]] is pretty much a civil war. It includes several different fights across the planet, only some of which are really chronicled. Parts of the space battle, part of the attack on Suraka, Operation: BUZZHAWK, the attack on the [[Sharquoi]] hive, the attack on [[Rak]] by Thars' hijacked ships (the hijacking being another part that's only briefly covered) that's only partly covered... Its more like a mini-war. Or like the [[Battle of Installation 04]] with all of those smaller battles making up one big conflict. I wouldn't go so far as to call it an actual war though.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 20:16, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 :::I haven't read the book myself (or anything like Mythos which might expand on the event in question) but just based on this information I think that the Carrow conflict might be a more fitting name, as it seems similar in scope to that of the Second Ark Conflict which also has the "conflict" name. Something like the "Conflict at Carrow" may also work. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 20:31, 16 January 2019 (EST)
 ::::Exactly. The Second Ark Conflict is probably a good example. The infobox needs alteration as well since the [[Jiralhanae]] are ultimately a third faction in the conflict. They pretended to work with Thars to get to the planet then betrayed him when they thought he'd caught onto them. He actually hadn't fyi but their whole plan was to use the [[Sharquoi]] for themselves and they always had separate goals and plans.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 21:09, 16 January 2019 (EST)
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 *My mistake. I actually missed that. I'd go with Hekabe's faction not warpack though.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 09:32, 17 January 2019 (EST)
 ::Warpack is another term for pack; several other pages use it.--[[User:D9328|D9328]] ([[User talk:D9328|talk]]) 14:39, 17 January 2019 (EST)d9328
-:::Its more than one pack of Brutes. That's said at one point. [[Melody Azikiwe]] and the ONI guy when telling Gray Team about Hekabe said that he controls several packs. Here, direct quote from page 190: "Hekabe is a rogue [[Jiralhanae]] who leads several packs and we believe he's the one who landed here on Carrow." It was said by Melody while explaining why they thought it was Hekabe (which was definitely confirmed but Gray Team nor the ONI people had actually seen in person which one it was) that was on the planet. Melody went on to explain about how they'd learned from embedded moles about Hekabe boasting about having the ''vertex'', the Sharquoi control device which was why they thought he was the one on the planet.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 16:11, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-Is anyone going to respond to my last message about renaming this??? I'm going to go with Hekabe's faction not warpack though. Its more than just one pack. When telling the Spartans about Hekabe, [[Melody Azikiwe]] states that he controls ''several'' packs and on page 251 it mentions the war packs under his control. War packs plural.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 19:35, 23 February 2019 (EST)
-Hello??? Looking for a response here!!!--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] ([[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|talk]]) 00:57, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
-:If you let me know what you want the page renamed to I'll do it, because I agree with your reasoning. As for the infobox, you're best off taking something like [[Battle of Installation 04]] and modifying it as it has four factions set up. [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:02, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
-::Carrow Conflict like the Onxy and Ark Conflict pages. I'm mobile editing this and don't seem to have a way to do the signature thing by the way.
-:::No worries, I'll get that sorted. You can do your signature by typing four tildes (this symbol: ~). Like so <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 08:55, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
-::::Done. I'm running my bot to replace links to the page so hopefully you won't need to do any major text replacements on other pages.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 08:56, October 20, 2019 (EDT)
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