Talk:UNSC Infinity
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Nothing on Halo 4?
You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? Jac0bBau3r1995 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
- Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.--Lt. Commander 光环的家伙1234 Talk (Contribs) (Edits) 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)
Already?
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already. First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth. Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of Covenant technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners. Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan. Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser. Ships take a LONG time to make. So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.
So I have a few theories. Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building an experimental really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship.. But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well). Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.
So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship. Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery. With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.
Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything close to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant thousands of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything close to achieving its full power.
So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology. Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! File:Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot (talk) 18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!
- You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. pestilence Phil, pestilence! 08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)
- Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! File:Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot (talk) 10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
- Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— subtank 12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)
- Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked! -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
- Yeah, but when Pirates of the Carribean breaks down, it doesn't cause a cataclysmic slipspace eruption that swallows the ship. Lol, I had to. Anyways, I agree, it isn't likely but it is feasible. pestilence Phil, pestilence! 17:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)
- Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked! -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
- And that is the question: what is the data recovered from the Halo? I would say building Forerunner legos; you can almost build anything with the power of imagination! :P — subtank 17:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)
Yeah, like I said, Forerunner. It definitely isn't perfect, and in my mind I picture it as more of a clunky, jumbled-up thing rather than a fully functional Forerunner ship of war. Vegerot goes RAWR! File:Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot (talk) 17:25, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
I'm assuming humanity's Reclaimer status also had something to do with our rapid grasp of Forerunner technology - either that or it was part of the geas implanted by the Forerunners SPARTAN-347 23:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)
Hmmm, didn't think of that. Which is funny because I was the one who came up with that theory in the first place, derp. Vegerot goes RAWR! File:Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot (talk) 23:12, 13 November 2011 (EST)!
Humanity also had all the of the Huragok they brought back on the Gettysburg, and then Vergil. So they could have quickly managed to bring things online... and we don't know how long M.P. and Oni have known about Installation 03. A functioning sane Monitor, or... even an insane one... could have helped them along. ProphetofTruth 23:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)
Actually, at the beginning it says that they had 5 more Halos to find. Which means that they had known about Installation 03 for around 4 months AT MOST. Vegerot goes RAWR! File:Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot (talk) 19:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)
I personally think that humanity would really be that fast with forerunner technologie. Because the San Shyuum didn't acces the Dreadnought they also didn't found other thinks, see contact Harvest. The humans however, didn't mind toutching the forerunner tech, and as such they would be faster with engineering!--Bdgroot-117 13:23, 23 December 2011 (EST)
- True, but you're forgetting the thousands of years when the San 'Shyuum locked themselves in the Dreadnought and while they were in space. (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot! 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!
Just a reminder, Glasslands said that workers were stationed in the Oort cloud over several YEARS, not months. Obviously this tells me they began working on the ship at least sometime between 2540-2552. Humans were reverse-engineering covenant technology since 2532, so the UNSC Infinity makes perfect sense. They simply made the decision to conceal it from the covenant (and everyone else) by enforcing a communications blackout and having it constructed somewhere the covenant wouldn't give a crap about. Thus humanity was given an opportunity to pour every piece of covenant & forerunner tech into it without it being destroyed like other advance tech before it. Also it is quite possible that there is more than one of these kinds of ships being constructed in the same place considering there were two "Infinity's" in the concept picture. Hopefully Halo 4 and the sequel to Glasslands will explain what we want to know.--Killamint 15:00, 17 January 2012 (EST)
- Hmm.. Interesting theory.. I will keep that in the back of my head.--Bdgroot-117 15:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)
- Even a modern, non-space ship, takes many many years to build. But yeah, which is exactly why I said what I said in the initial post. So does that mean you agree? (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot! 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!