Talk:UNSC Army

Ranks

I guess me and Ryangreenday have to start working on the Army ranks CommanderTony

Nice

Considering the utter lack of information about the UNSC Army, i am very impressed with this article! File:HalfJaw03.jpg Kora ‘Morhekee The Battle-Net My Conquests. 21:25, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

There's only so far available information can be stretched. More than that, its likely to be fan fiction or speculation. -- Manticore ^{Talk | CSV | RfA} 10:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Battle

That battle on Mars, you know, the one Col. Ackerson got captured in? Ackerson is an Army officer, so I think we can assume the UNSC Army was in this battle. Even though it's not confirmed, it's so heavily implied that it should at least be in this article under a conjecture label. What say you?

battle

i argee with the idea above and you could state that it is just asumed due to evidence chadd 10 september 20:30

Could the UNSC army be on earth at the time of H-3

Well its more of a really really simple theroy if the defence group you know Hood Strattus Ackerson and the other brass pulled most of the fleet to earth wouldn't the army be there also the army would use the same type of combat dress as the Marines minus the ODST armor. The UNSC Army might have also went with the marines to the ark because at the end of the game it never clarified who exactly went in the portal minus Jhonson Keyes and Jhon it seems to me that the marine garrision is low because of Reach.

• • Well, I don't think the Army uniforms would be the same as the Marine uniforms. I think they would rather look like Colonial Militia outfits. And I don't think the Army went to the Ark either, because the Army is a land-based force unlike the Marines who get to ride in starships and yonder the galaxy. --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 17:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
    • The Army was probably setting up defensisves across the world along with peacekeeping efforts following the Marine leave for the Ark. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 18:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

they could be a planetary defence force like a better trained version of the colianial militia --Bruce9 03:22, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Typo

I really don't think there is such a thing as the UNSC Army. James Ackerson is probably a UNSC Marine Corps Colonel. Those of you familiar with the novels know that the author of Ghosts of Onyx, the only mentioning of the UNSC Army, know that the only time the UNSC Army is described is when Kurt Ambrose sees Ackerson and describes him as an Army Colonel.

If you've read all the previous novels, and you know as much about the military as I do, you'd notice that Eric Nylund is not very military savy and has made hanus mistakes concerning ranks before (describing 2nd and 1st Lieutenants as Navy ranks, for example). Idolo 18:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

We asked Eric Nylund if you can check the letters of canon. The UNSC Army exists. -- AJFile:ArmyJROTC.jpg 19:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Letters of canon? What? Idolo 19:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[[Category: Letters of Canon]] - AJFile:ArmyJROTC.jpg 19:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Better yet, look at THIS --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 20:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It still looks to me like he made a typo and tried to cover it up later by saying there really is a UNSC Army, instead of actually admitting to his mistake. I wouldn't try and get my Halo facts from him, especially after "1st and 2nd Lieutenant Lovell". Idolo 20:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

He's our best source of contact. We trust anything that comes from him, so yeah. -- AJFile:ArmyJROTC.jpg 20:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC) He's the writer of halo setting the plot outside the video game there so he set up the halo universe and had access to the halo bible.Do you have access to the halo bible didn't think so.--Bruce9 01:35, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Function

I would imagine that the UNSC army would function like today's Peacekeepers, rather than as a dedicated fighting force. With so many colony worlds, the UNSC would need a military body to keep the peace against uprising and piracy. That would also explain why the UNSC Marine Corps has taken the fore in terms of offensive operations. No proof, but I think it would be the most likely role held. Specops306, Kora 'Morhek 05:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

That would go under "Theories" or "Speculation" then, right? --TerminalFailure 05:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't go anywhere, actually - since that's all it is, I can't, and shouldn't, put it into the article. If only Bungie gave us at least a little information on the Army... --Specops306, Kora 'Morhek 20:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The military body of the UNSC tasked with peacekeeping is the Colonial Militia, a branch of the Army. The Army itself would be a much larger and more important force. --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 15:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think the Colonial Militia is even part of the UNSC Army. Plus, the UNSC Army does patrol colony worlds, and it may be a larger landing force if the Marines are overwhelmed. -- -- The Sarge^{My Comm Line}_{What I've done} 15:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The CM serves as a paramilitary defense force, and it's usually called into action when natural disasters or invasions occur. It's also comprised of half-time soldiers. As far as we know, such a military force is never supported by the Marines, but by the Army instead. --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 16:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Then why are three Marines training, supplying, and supporting them in Contact Harvest? -- -- The Sarge^{My Comm Line}_{What I've done} 16:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Because anyone can enlist in the Colonial Militia, including Marines. The fact that the Marines supply the militia, doesn't mean it's controlled by the Marines. --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 22:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Not true at all... the U.S. Army, and the British Army, both are a fighting force that actually takes more ground than the Marines in offensive operations. (see Iraq war 2003) Also the WW2 European theater was exclusively fought by the Army. Infact the ODST's resemble Army Rangers, and Army Airborne "troopers" more so than any Marine force. I think it's inconsistency's, and a general lack of military knowledge of Halo authors, and Bungie staff that are responsible for the general lunacy of UNSC military structure. Ross-073 6:51 19 Dec 2009 Baghdad time.

Cut Content

Think we should mention the Falcon Fighter craft, cut from Halo Wars? --Lord of SPARTANs_{LOMI HQ}^{I here your cries}_{May your works be honorable}
21:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be more of UNSC Air Force?- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 21:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That could also be the Marines or the Navy - both operate their own aircraft.

Smoke

21:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Halo Evolutions

Palace Hotel says the Army was in New Mombasa during the battle, should it be included?--Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 04:16, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

The real reason a UNSC Army is left out of Halo.

The folks that are in control of making Halo cannon are ill informed when it comes to military matters, history, tactics, and weaponry. Because most likely their personal lives have never had to deal with actual military matters, and I would be willing to put money on the fact, that not a single one of them has ever served their country in uniform. Thus you end up with another Marine Corps oriented video game, because that's all they see in the movies. I bet some of them are not even aware of the fact that the Army, and the Marine Corps are two totally separate branches of service.

I want an explanation on why they did not use the Army in Halo... because the Army doesn't sound as cool, or, "well it's a space oriented futuristic war game, and it's highly probable that such a force would undoubtedly use Marine forces." (I used a voice similar to a squeaky nerd when reading that last part over again.)

You would have to ask Bungie personally. It is already known to some of us here that they don't have a detailed knowledge of military matters in any way, shape or form (otherwise, there wouldn't be so many errors!) Smoke^{Sound off!} 16:32, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

That would make sense since only one Bungie person was in any form of the military (I think he was in the military police) and that would explain why there are so many mistakes. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 17:10, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Why does his MOS have to do anything with his knowledge of the U.S. Armed Forces? And in addition to being a U.S. Marine MP, he was also an MP with the Army AND the Air National Guards. So please be a bit more respectful... User:CommanderTony/Sig

I'm just sick of hearing about the exploits of Marines fiction or non-fiction... period. Oh, and I left a really cool paragraph or two on the Halo Reach discussion. Ross-073

Think about it as well. Marines are amphibious warfare nowadays, the Army is more land based, so why would the UNSC have a large Army when they are pretty much launching Space version amphibious warfare? - DarkbelowHGR CommbandD 21:49, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

For what Bungie has stated the UNSCA was for: ground defense. It's not an offensive branch of the military as is the Navy and its corps of Marines. -- Lord Hyren 00:35, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

If they made a video game about the American Navy at sea taking place in the 21st centry, the game would be about the Navy. Now if you made a game about the Humans Space ships taking place in space, the game would be about the navy because the navy controls and operates the ships. *Darb 013 16:30, August 3, 2010 (UTC)*

Army in Reach :D

Looks like we get the UNSC Army in Halo: Reach. Who knows, the Spartan-III project maybe Army/Navy not marines/navy. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 00:59, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Spartans of Noble have naval ranks, but their overseer, a Colonel Urban Holland, is Army - I would say that they've been transferred out from under Ackerson's command into another Army special operations branch. -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek 02:27, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Where does it say Urban is army? --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 02:38, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

On the Reach Project Page, Urban writes, as a side note, that "we're Army." --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 14:49, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Crap, the Army isn't in Reach. This sucks a ton. I have been waiting forever for some UNSC Army guys. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 03:06, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why do you say that? Some of the concept art is labelled "Army Trooper," not "Marines", and add Colonel Holland...it adds up to the Army having at least a small presence in the game. -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek 12:14, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Bungie update made it seem like they were was Marines. I still think there maybe both in the game. However, the "Army" label on the concept art could be a generic term, like how they use it in Halo Wars.--Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 14:48, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

The concept art may still be for Army soldiers; Bungie only said that the model featured in this image is a Marine. They said nothing about the concept art. While similar, I think the concept labeled "Army" could still be on this page, as there's nothing that disproves it. For now. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 15:23, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Can we unlock this article? I have stuff to add, since it seems Reach is going to have almost all army weapons.--Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 04:15, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think the fact that, for once, we're not going to play as Marines in a Halo game needs time to sink well in some of the thicker heads around here. Regardless, I'm going to try to add some of the stuff on B.net into relevant articles concerning the UNSC Army. --UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 08:00, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, sounds fair. I'll do the same.--Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 14:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

[1] Question: Are the human soldiers seen in the screenshots Army or Marines? Will we see only Army troops, or both Marines and Army?

Urk:The troopers seen in the current crop of screenshots are indeed Army Troopers. And of course you’ll see some Marines!

There's your proof :). 3vil D3m0n File:3vil D3m0n's Emblem.jpg ^{Don't worry, I'm not really evil...} 13:41, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Army Logo

Could the logo on the bottom of the new weapon images be the Army's logo? Image. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 05:15, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

It could be the manufacturer's company logo.外国人^(7alk) 05:30, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking more along the lines of the symbol on the Troopers' shoulders. It could possibly relate to the Army's logo. Regards, UNSC Trooper ^Talk_{My Work} 08:00, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

The shoulder symbol seems more likely to be some form of tactical recognition flash than the Army emblem itself.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 10:49, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Spartan 3's army personnel?

Don't the S3's come under the army's jurisdiction? The differeing ranks and the comment that Colonel made about contraband being illegal in the Navy but not being concerned as they are army.

No they are under the Navy's command. NAVSPECWAR to be specific. --Sgt.T.N.Biscuits 17:30, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Noble Team reports under SPECWARCOM, which is likely an Army Branch. I don't know about the rest of the IIIs however. 112 17:50, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Colonel was referring to himself. He was saying that he doesn't have to report contraband Covenant materials as the Army doesn't have an equivalent to the Naval rule. SPECWAR isn't a branch of the Army, but another military division altogether. They deploy troops for both the Army and Navy - The Navy's group being "NAVSPECWAR".-- Forerunner 16:45, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

No respect or knowledge of Army.....

It is painfully obvious that the writers and developers of the Halo universe have placed way too much emphasis of the Marine Corps given the fact that most sci-fi games and novels do the same thing. People have no idea how small the Marine Corps is as a fighting force and how the Army is ignored during many offensive engagements in present day. There is a reference of the Army in Halo Evolutions, but it is about them getting wiped out and some female marine talking shit about them (which is what we do to each other in real life).

As a Army paratrooper, I hope that Bungie will get the Army right and include us more in the Halo universe. To say that the Army is primarily a defensive land force is ridiculous because we can do that and offensive operations on a large scale. This crap about the Marines going in first is a big fat lie that has been carried around for decades. We ALL go in first! The Marines attack in one area and Army forces would attack in another, it is basically a joint operation during major conflicts. Why in the hell were the ODST unit based off of Marines has always made me chuckle because the airborne concept is a ARMY concept, not a Marine one. Yes, the Marines have paratroopers, but when you think of sky soldiers, you think of Army paratroopers.

The UNSC Army should be the primary fighting force in the Halo universe, not because we are better than Marines, but that we have the numbers and are a larger fighting force. Take a good look at the real Army and our capabilities and you will see why I think that Bungie should give the Army a better representation as a fighting force.—This unsigned comment was made by Bugkill (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

The role of the Army in the 26th century is a lot smaller than in the 21st. The Marine corps has become the dominant of the two infantry forces due to the necessity of Naval ships to transport them to the war zone (or just a factor). The Army ends up as a small planetary defence force, with a lot of (formerly Army) vehicles and equipment going to the Marines instead. Do you honestly see the Army going on an inter-stellar offensive? Just be glad that the Army at least survived into the 26th century (The CMA, who are a lot like UN peacekeepers, didn't last).-- Forerunner 16:09, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Not really. In fact, I'm surprised the role of the Army shrunk significantly in the 26th century. The general idea is that the Marines attack, the Army defends. The main subtle problem with the Halo Universe is that Bungie heavily used Aliens (the film) references in all of their design. That is when the whole "Space Marines" started becoming popular in all sci-fi titles/medium. So, if anything, blame pop-culture. ;) - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 16:12, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is more like Marines attack AND defend while the Army only defends *Darb 013 16:24, August 3, 2010 (UTC)*