Talk:Covenant

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There. I've archived the talk page.-- Forerunner 14:19, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Covenant Millitary

Before the subjects here were removed, i just wanna point out that whoever put that the statement on Covenant Millitary about the covenant ground forces being less capable than human ground forces is so right it doesn't do the Covenant justice. Even Grunts obliterate UNSC Marines with ease so going up against brutes, elites or hunters the marines have no chance. Whoever put down "It may be noted that despite that their technology is far more superior to the humans and their numbers are much larger as well, the covenant as ground warriors are much less capable and are often defeated and are often forced to retreat to glass the planet from space" needs severe medical attention because I think that it A) Downgrades the covenant severly B) Is so not true.—This unsigned comment was made by 62.30.140.42 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

If the sentence degrades the article quality and stays untrue to canon, remove it. - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 19:50, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's all right it's been removed anyway, cheers though.—This unsigned comment was made by 62.30.140.42 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

It's "so right", is it? Wonderful. People always see the light in the end. Please go away and read page 7 of Halo: The Fall of Reach, where Human forces "stonewall" Covenant forces on the ground at the Battle of Jericho VII, and page 8, where it reads, "On the ground, Spartans always won." Not to mention Human forces routinely tearing through Covenant ground forces in all of the games, Halo Wars and Halo 3: ODST included. It's in space where the Covenant has the advantage.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 19:54, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

The UNSC are brilliant tacticians compared to the Covenant, who don't seem to have any plans, just going after anything. When it gets towards the end of the battle however, the UNSC chain of command will disintegrate and troops will become vulnerable. The 101st Drop Jet Platoon was destroyed by thousands of Unggoy. It doesn't mean that they are simply poor fighters, but that 45 men can't handle a thousand doses of burning plasma.-- Forerunner 19:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding human forces winning in the games; that is debatable. It all depends on gameplay and difficulty settings; higher difficulties will see that human forces will be easily eliminated by the opposing forces. The best illustration of a ground battle between the UNSC and the Covenant would be in Halo Legends; Homecoming, The Prototype, and The Babysitter.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 19:59, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

What was that about UNSC being brilliant tacticians as if the Covenant weren't !? I think you will find that if you read the article about Drones, at some point it will talk about a covenant tactic that can be used to wipe out a squad of UNSC Marines (which in the drones' case is to divert Marine fire upwards using the drones as a distraction whilst the infantry eliminate the marines or something like that). So the Covenant are good at ground combat as well as space it's just that there's much more of a difference in ability when it comes to UNSC-Covenant space combat as the covenant tend to be much more skilled at space combat than the UNSC, but even on ground when going against Marines or ODST the Covenant are still better than the UNSC it's only when the spartans help them, Marines' morale is boosted and that's probably why the UNSC wrongly get all the credit when going against the Covenant on ground-battles.

To debate against that you'll need to read this first "Yanme'e are deployed in battle situations, such as aerial insertions, among the Covenant, and, during the Great Schism, the Covenant Loyalists. They are used for surprise aerial ambushes and assaults, such as catching Human troops off guard and causing them to shoot upwards as a diversion so that their allies may attack on the ground. This is a common Covenant tactic that can be used to wipe out a whole squad of UNSC Marines."

This means the covenant millitary personell are excellent strategists and tacticians, they do have a mind you know they may have their flaws yeah which are exploited by the spartans but so do the UNSC and the covenant have slaughtered loads of spartans by 2552 a Jiralhanae killed one with his brute shot during Operation: First Strike which although wasn't on a planet it was still infantry combat (close-range).

That's right 90, and another strategy the covenant use involving the grunts is to use the latter to soften up the UNSC Soldiers the covenant are fighting and force the UNSC troops to waste ammo on the grunts and have the brute/elite leader finish them off. Often works as long as the chief isn't around.

Since apparently none of my comments made it over from the switch (THANKS) I'm going to say this very clearly. READ THE BOOKS. In ground combat, and this is stated very clearly in The Flood, several other books, and even in many incidents in-game (don't be stupid by assuming things based on Legendary play, which ARE HARDER FOR A REASON) that the UNSC is SUPERIOR in ground combat. They are physically weaker true, but are devestatingly accurate and far-superior in tactics, especially in MOUT. Even in close quarters Direct Action combat, a fire team of three ODSTs in the Bluff battle wiped out six Elite Special Operations troops and several grunts. The humans are better on the ground, period. Get over it. They win in space. --HellJump04 11:02, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

Oh, and in Halo Wars? Yeah, UNSC infantry are vastly superior to Covenant Forces. Doesn't take a genius to see that one either. And, I have to add, UNSC ground troops have a tendency to WIN even when vastly outnumbered by enemies equipped with vastly superior weapons and technology. That says something about the warrior. Also try ODST. Those guys aren't augmented, they're simply highly trained. What the hell do I know about war though? I only served as a sniper with First Ranger battalion and several other Air Force and Army Special Operations units. That's what drew me to Halo as a series. It proves that the MAN makes the warrior, not the weapons and not the tech.--HellJump04 11:09, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

Empire?

What source(s) actually refer to the The Covenant as 'The Covenant Empire'. Every other place I look call it The Covenant and I cant find any indication that it is actually an Empire.

CoalitionofIndependantRepublics 13:39, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know. "The Covenant" wasn't allowed and "Covenant (Faction)" was just stupid.-- Forerunner 14:21, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ask CommanderTony.

(cur) (prev) 18:02, July 2, 2009 CommanderTony (Talk | contribs | block) m (40,526 bytes) (moved The Covenant to Covenant Empire: "The Covenant" just doesn't fly.)

-- Forerunner 14:22, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

So if I understood that right, it was changed because one of the mods didn't like the name Bungie had given the the series' main antagonist?

CoalitionofIndependantRepublics 20:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

No - he didn't like the word 'the' disambiguating the article from the level.-- Forerunner 21:20, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a pretty inane claim you made right there CoalitionofIndependantRepublics. Bungie gave them the name of "Covenant". "The" is not part of their official title. Your claim of "because one of the mods didn't like the name" would hold truth if CommanderTony rename the article to something like "Forerunner Alliance", but "Covenant Empire" is meant to give the article a better sounding name. Having the article be called either just "Covenant" or "The Covenant" would sound stupid. And the Covenant is logically an empire. 173.66.218.243 03:02, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Request for Move - July 2010

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Uh...What?

I was reading through the article earlier. I read the Weapons Section, when I noticed this statement in it:

" The plasma that is used in Covenant weapons is mined from deep inside the Unggoy planet Balaho. When it was depleted, their technology had already become so advanced they were capable of synthesizing millions of tons of plasma in a single day."

This is pure crap right here.Missing Mandible 04:42, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

C in C

I don't think Truth woud be the commander in chief. I propose that it is changed to Xytan (pre great schism) and an unknown brute (post great schism. Grupa 'Zamamee 22:24, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The hierarchs are the absolute heads of the Covenant, and Truth is the head of the hierarchs. Truth was able to control Tartarus and make Xytan work in the fringes. Commander in Chief is not for the hightest ranked general. Its for the highest military power, which is Truth. Tgor365 22:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well technically Truth was the same rank as the other Hierarchs. But only a fool would believe that. Vegerot (talk) 22:54, 9 March 2011 (EST)!!!!

First Pic?

I am pretty sure that the first picture is not relevant to this page. --Spartan-08686 01:28, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Well, according to the description the symbol is from "Halo: Combat Evolved" and is the symbol of the Covenant. Whether this is true or speculation remains to be seen.... Eaite Randjam 11:33, 11 November 2010 (EST)

Skirmishers?

Where are the Skirmishers? I believe that they were part of the Covenant, too. --Spartan-08686 00:08, 6 December 2010 (EST)

they're included in the kig-yar section--File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gifEnder the XenocideFile:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif 11:17, 6 December 2010 (EST)

Suggestion for Species Section

While the dual-column organization system is interesting, might I suggest we develop maybe a table of sorts? It just seems lopsided since the headers don't exactly line up. Not a big deal, just a thought. Cheers, -- 20:23, 6 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, maybe, but with some edits to your idea? Vegerot (talk) 22:54, 9 March 2011 (EST)!!!!

Covenant/UNSC ground combat debate:

I am gonna get straight, to the point. When I came up the examples of the Covies kicking stupid human ass on ground in Halo 2, that wasnt on Heroic or Legendary it was on NORMAL!!! 2 brutes basically took on a large group of freed marines and WON!!! So, for you to say that the UNSC frequently engage and destroy the Covenant in games and books is not right. I could have sworn in the archived talk page of the covenant empire there was a guy who also stated that the statement about UNSC being more skilled than Covenant at ground combat was wrong.

As he rightly pointed out, the books make it absolutely clear to the reader how ridiculously ineffective the Marines are against Covie ground forces. Battle of Sigma Octanus, the marines were doing an absolutely fine job repelling the covenant forces "translation" they were doing so badly that they had to call upon the Spartans to blow it up causing heavy civilian casualties in the process. Battle of Earth, humans couldnt defend it to save their lives, had to rely on the Chief to do all the work. Battle of Installation 00, Chief and the Sangheili did most of the work for the UNSC. Its only because of their use of tactical nukes and ridiculously overpowered and superhuman cyborgs known as spartans the UNSC manage to win a lot of the time on ground. Now since when was that, tactical skill...

Face it HellJump04, its the UNSC who suck at ground combat against the Covenant, yes Elites may have a high death rate but that's only because their shields are poor and their in-game health is so low the Elites are far more superior in skill than the humans far more manouverable, tactical. All the humans have to do is stand around and fire a few bullets and "aoouugharh" one dead Sangheili, they always have to gang up on one to kill one anyway..

What about, Battle of Reach (or should I say Fall of Reach), the Covenant before glassing absolutely RAPED the Marines (and MOST of the Spartans present for that matter). The fact that even on normal the Covenant manage to prevail against the Marines (and sometimes the ODSTs even who are more skilled than the "green man" marines), considering Heroic is meant to be the most realistic difficult is something to reckoned with. Any counter-arguments or disagreements you have feel free to post 'em.

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