Talk:Arbiter

Creation of the Arbiter

This is interesting, some cool theories, the facts seem to be correct. Personally I like the idea that the elites created the Arbiter and the Prophets (being anal A-holes) took it and controled it.--Omrifere 20:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's my theory too.

Infobox

Should that infobox really be here, or at Arbiter (character)? --Dragonclaws^(talk) 22:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I say put it on both since all the stuff in it applies to both.--Jack-137 18:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Rank

The Arbiter isn't higher in rank than the Councillors. Who ever changed that is wrong, the rank of Arbiter is only a temporary state. Elites would need leaders that didn't die quite so often as the Arbiters do. Besides, the fact that the Prophets gave it to the disgraced Zealot would mean it's more of a punishments than a honor. --Shch 'Nodotee 19:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well seeing as how he was tasked directly from the Prophets, they did not give it to him as a punishment, but as a way to git rid of the Heretic Leader. --Gzalzi 08:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Well... It is a punishment. The Arbiter is a suicidal hit man. He is meant to complete any task he is givin, with no respect to survival. "these are my elites, thier lives matter to me, yours does not." And he isn't above the councilors, he is bellow the Grunts in the military stand. What the Arbiter is, is a nobal man of sorts, he is seen as a demi god because he is willing to fight to his death,and in the elites' eyes this is a very honorable way to die. So in the Covenant religion, the Arbiter is an honorable position, but in the covenant military, he is cannon fodder.--Lt.O'Brien 04:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Actualy, he isn't below the grunts, rank-wise. He can command other Elites, wether out of military command or simply respect from the other Elites. For the Elites, the rank's actual position is not clear, but as to the grunts, it is. The Arbiter is an Elite, and as such, he is higher up on the food chain, per se. Again, maybe the Grunts follow him out of religious respect, but even disregarding that, he is an Elite. As for the "punishment" argument, you forget one thing. This last Arbiter was indeed a disgraced Zealot, but that doesn't mean the rest of the Arbiters have been disgraced. Maybe they were very efficient commanders chosen to protect the Covenant in a time of desperate need. "Were it not for the Arbiters, the Covenant would have broken long ago!" as the High Prophet of Mercy put it. This indicates that the Covenant hold the Arbiter in high regard due to his status as their savior in dire times.--High Seraph 01:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The position is more ceremony that military. An arbiter is expected to be sent off on one mission and die succeeding in it, like the kamikaze pilots of Japan. He is never intended to live longer than the one mission he is given the title for, the current Arbiter appears to be the only Arbiter who has ever lived after his assignment was fulfilled. --ED_(talk)^(shockfront) 21:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't mean that for their short lived existence, they are higher up on the command chain than the Grunts or than other Elites. That doesn't mean that it's above Councillors, however.--High Seraph 01:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the arbiter function outside the chain of command? in several levels he and half-jaw were more like associates than commander and soldier. --Captain Jacob Rathens 01:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think so, he seems to work outside of rank, but as for being higher than normal in rank such as a commander i dont agree. I think that he is still an outcast, but he has special abilities and getting rid of him would be a waste "We have more use for you... But the councilors... They will have their head."

It seems to me that he is still a heretic but is seen as his former greatness as a commander. With the grunts he is seen as a savior, that will protect them from their more likely death. As for the Elites they see him as his former glory, like a student respects a teacher after he surpasses the teachings.--Lt.O'Brien