Halopedia:Requests for adminship/Manticore

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Request for adminship: Manticore Submitted: August 13, 2007, by Phil.e. Closed: September 2, 2007, by Guesty-Persony-Thingy Result: Passed

Manticore

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Nomination

I nominate Manticore for adminship. -- Phil.e.

Nominee, please accept or defer the above nomination below this line.

It would be my honour to accept this nomination :) -- Manticore File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] ^{Talk | CSV} 08:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Support (23/4 sysops)

1. Strong Support as nominator-- Phil.e. ^{[Talk to me]} 01:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Support but he should edit a bit moar before he gets it. --NOTASTAFF GPT_(talk)^(eating) 02:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
   Comment -- Edit more? He has twice the required amount of edits(total) and more than the required amount of mainspace edits. Phil.e. ^{[Talk to me]} 19:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
3. Strong Support E93 02:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
4. Strong Support - Exceptional user. He is extremely familiar with the community dynamics of Halopedia, and has done great work with UNSC articles and also the collaborative improvement drives of the Monitors of Halopedia. He's shown himself as an excellent moderator of the community and also with some HTML knowledge with templates and the such. Therefore, I strongly support Manticore for administration. Best Regards, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 02:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
5. Strong Support Great Halopedian who has made many outstanding edits. He absolutely deserves to be an admin. Tony^Talk 8/13/2007
6. Strong support per all above. Manticore is a friendly and polite user who could certainly use those few extra buttons. :) --Jack Phoenix _(Contact) 08:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
7. Strong Support - as per above reasons. Good Luck! simon rjhFile:rjh.jpg|30px]] 08:50, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
8. Very Strong Support If he's an admin Halopedia will have much more order, unlike now where someone has made Halopedia Black!--Spartan-781 File:Seaman.png|25px]] ^Comm_CSV 09:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
9. Support - Manticore will be a good admin, and makes more sense IMO than some other admins. What did HaloDude Do!?! 10:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
10. Strong Manticore does prove himself as a capable admin. ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 13:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
11. Support Already does wonderful work on the community management front, will be an excellent admin --forgottenlord 17:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
12. Strong Manticore roxxorz at halopedia, Manticore needs administartorshipalizationed. —This unsigned comment was made by Guitarplayer001 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~ ^Diff
13. extremely strong support ÇЋЇŒʢ ʕЛΆΝќ^{βĻά βĻά βĻά}_{ɰЊάł Ḷ ḍõИШ} 00:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
14. Support I looked at his edits and I see he has done a lot of work here on halopedia. I think he would be a great admin.Master Sergeant-G023 ^{Comm Channel} _{Mission History}File:Master sergeant.jpg|20px]] 00:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
15. Support He knows the rules. He is easy to talk to about Halopedia matters. And with him as admin you have almost 24 hour coverage on the IRC by administration.--File:GRAW.png|20px]]MCPO Spartan 1138 04:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
16. Support He's a good choice, like 1138 said, he knows the rules, he is quick to a point, and he is a good judge on things, he also goes on the IRC often, so he can keep an eye on that too -- Heeeeeres Johny!^{(Whats that you say?)( My...Accomplishments)}File:MA5C_Firing.gif|30px]] 04:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
17. Strong Support In order to keep Halopedia running smoothly, we need friendly, useful, and civil people. I mean, why NOT vote for Manticore? He is very active, he is a veteran, and most of all, he is very dedicated to Halopedia. REVENGE ^Grr!!! _{My Victims} File:Disembodied soul modern.jpg|30px]]
18. Barry-Bonds-Steroids-Strong Support Now, this is what I'm talking about. Ryan, take a cue from Manticore. He's got the good requirements for admin. And, he has had experience (rollback for some time) in the administrator role, banning, improving, coding-wise. He's gots me vote. SPARTAN^{HelmetComm||Juliet} 20:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
19. Strong Support Ever since his first edits on Halopedia, the user has demonstrated incredible intelligence, maturity, and competence in all forms of activity on Halopedia. The user has absolutley no record of abuse of Halopedia in any way; in fact his mediation of disputes, including those involving himself, is admirable and incredibly helpful. The user has shown sustained activity for a significant amount of time, and in a variety of areas. His expertise in everything ranging from military and canon Halo knowledge to technical wiki coding is similarly significant. His commonly exclusionist/deletionist views have also prevented many potential outbreaks of fanfiction and speculation from getting out of control by bringing them to other user's attention in a positive way. The user has strong ambitions and potentials for working well with the current Halopedia Team staff and holds my strongest support and recommendation. --DEMONSPAWNED 20:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
20. Support I support Manticore because he is an active user.-Thegoodone File:SSgt Avery Johnson, UNSC Marine Corps.JPG|20px]] "Messages go here" What I've Done 04:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
21. Support Staff Sergeant Masterchief46517 File:ODST1 u.jpg|20px]] ^{com link} 19:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
22. Strong Support As per HOTM: "A fun person, but he gets the given task at hand done well, and is user-friendly. He is among one of Halopedia's finest. :)" --Blemo ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} • 01:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
23. Support per above. --Dragonclaws^(talk) 05:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Neutral (0/0 sysops)

1. Neutral I don't think I'm familiar enough with manticore's work to take a side in this.--Master Sergeant-G023 ^{Comm Channel} _{Mission History}File:Master sergeant.jpg|20px]] 01:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment: You can check my contributions if you'd like :) -- Manticore File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] ^{Talk | CSV} 23:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Vote was changed, and comment redacted. XD Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 04:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Against (1/0 sysops)

1. I don't think that you would be a good choice for admin. I believe that you need to be more active. Which you are active, don't get me wrong, but be more active. Plus you aren't very community oriented, if you get what I mean.--H*bad ^(talk) 19:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment against H*Bad:Nope, he's very hardworking and he's very, very active in the community. It's just that you didn't see what he did. I can tell you, Manticore is a very experienced user, and will DEFINITELY make a good admin. --Spartan-781 File:Seaman.png|25px]] ^Comm_CSV 13:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Rebuttle: If you check Manticore's contributions, you'll find that counting back 500 edits will get you only to July 23. He's on every evening (NA evening) and participates in the chat regularly with the handful of people on at that hour. I don't mind the comment about whether he's community oriented part (you're entitled to your opinion), but anyone who says he isn't active isn't paying attention. --forgottenlord 19:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

(Should probably of reworded what I said, sorry. :P)Anyways, what I mean is, that he needs to do something that will put him over the top, like do something major for Halopedia. Not sure what, but something major.--H*bad ^(talk) 03:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not like he doesn't try. He was the one that announced the change to bring about 5 Councilors on CoH - not sure what his involvement was for that behind the scenes. He was the one that started the ball rolling on the Sentinel program for the MoH - though that was put on hold so that we could spend more time analyzing it. He also tried to bring about several new operators though those also got rejected by GPT. I fail to see how he hasn't done anything "big". --forgottenlord 04:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, in my personal opinion, those usergroup changes, while notable, weren't exceptional. What was exceptional was his drafting of policy that was unanimously accepted by the administration, his hard policy on fan fiction, and his good understanding of community dynamics. =] Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 16:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

H*Bad - was this matter resolved on IRC? Just wondering 'cause the new information you got seemed to suggest that. --forgottenlord 04:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, H*bad ^(talk) 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't expect Manticore to be perfect, nor do I think for a sec that he would be forgiving. I've had my problems with the way he does things and I've challenged him for it before. However, that doesn't mean I think he can't do his job. He will do it, and he will perform admirably. I will and have stuck up to RR and GPT publicly and privately on several occasions. I have and continue to press them on issues of how they deal with the community, how they can improve the way they handle situations, etc. However, Manticore is already a community leader (as is Ryan, but that's beside the point and it isn't about which of these two is better), and his style of moderation is already applied. He already is contributing to the administrative and moderation duties of Halopedia and doing things like sending greetings to members. Unlike Ryan, if Manticore were handled the crown of Administrator, he really would only be getting access to a few extra buttons because of his existing social status within the community. From a social perspective, Manticore practically is an administrator already. --forgottenlord 22:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't particuarly want to drag anyone into the mud, nor do I want to get into a debate, but perhaps you should check these 2 diffs H*bad: [1] [2]. -- Manticore File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] ^{Talk | CSV | RfA} 23:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, H*bad ^(talk) 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

What the heck is with this BS concept that Ryan and Manticore can only be admins at the exclusion of the other? The administration team could either reject or take both of them by the time the voting is done based upon the decisions of this administration team. Of course RR and GPT prefer Manticore over Ryan, but they won't make their decision on Ryan based upon whether Manticore got in or not - they'll make their decision based upon the merits and concerns raised regarding Ryan and the the degree of community support for Ryan. This isn't a first past the post issue. --forgottenlord 17:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--H*bad ^(talk) 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

So, just to clarify: you're voting against me, because you think I'm qualified to do the job, but you'll change your mind if everyone else does? O_o -- Manticore File:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] ^{Talk | CSV | RfA} 09:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It is the Sysop's decision, not the final vote, that decides whether an RfA passes. It is the right of those who's RfA's have been submitted to know where they stand with the Sysops and know what issues the Sysops have with them. Look at RR's RfA: all 4 Sysops at the time voted against him - but they gave him many points worth considering and thinking about. Despite that, the community supported RR - just as the community has supported Ryan despite the disapproval of the Sysops.

Furthermore, explain to me how the Sysops are not a part of the community? Why shouldn't they get a say? Many members of the community have built up reputations and degrees of respect from community members that would be comparable to the sysops - should they not be allowed to vote too? Should we have a secret ballot, known only by the candidate and the admins? Why?

I agree that all systems should always be questioned and tested and all issues about the system need to be considered. However, I fail to see why you would punish Manticore, one of the most respected community members, to make your point understood. It baffles me that you would sink to such a despicable tactic.

H*Bad, you have levied complaint after accusation against Manticore - publicly and privately to Halopedia as a whole and to the Administrators. You have made accusations of the most sinister nature and complaints that made little sense and when they fell apart, you changed your story, your argument, for why you're voting against Manticore. Your story has changed no less than 4 times now - and you claim you never have lied to me. Perhaps it is time to make a real complaint. What is your problem with Manticore, and why are you so stubborn in your attacks on him? --forgottenlord 15:22, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

With all due respect, H*Bad, your insinuations against Manticore are completely unfounded. These suggestions that he is a repeat vandal/conspirer are denigrating, and only serve not to sully his reputation, but begin to hold in question the judgement of the user stating these accostings. To Manticore, I offer my fullhearted trust, and I offer the strongest support possible for his RfA, and hold all hopes that it will be concluded shortly. I would also like to remonstrate that Wikia is not a democracy, even by Wikia regulation. The RfAs are chosen by the opinion of the "current administration" only, and no other body. The community, however, plays a significant role at Halopedia in advising the administration on how to proceed with RfAs, which is why a community vote is maintained in the first place, and why the results are valuable to advise the current administration. However, all RfAs do not imperatively depend on the vote count, and are subject to the opinion of the current administration, with advisory comments from the community. Apologies if this post was redundant, of if it was offending to H*Bad, but I believe this is a particular spacetime coordinate for me to make my statement. Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 01:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: Not to mention Manticore is essentially the "night shift" at Halopedia, and spends 6-8 hours during his day (our sleeptime) on the IRC, active. =] Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 01:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you guys so wanting to get me to vote for this guy, that you guys go so far as to saying that I am being stupid for not voting for him. This is just a simple matter of not wanting him in office, because he is so endorsed by the Admins that he can't lose. Manticore, I have nothing against you, I just have against that the Admins endorse you more than they endorse Ryan. If the Admins would stop endorsing Manticore, then I will vote for him. Simple as that. And Relentless, you should know better, although after last (nights?) discussion I guess not. And Forgottenlord, the reason I have changed my story is because I have found a new thing to not like about Manticore.--H*bad ^(talk) 12:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Quite simply: you are saying you've got something against Manticore. You are disrespecting Manticore. You are taking a private war against the admins and punishing an excellent person because of it. I don't care if you vote against a person, I do care if you vote against the person for reasons that either don't make sense or are just plain wrong. Thus far, you've hit that marker many times for your many different arguments.

I support people who say they aren't voting for a person because they don't like them, because they don't trust them, because they don't want to have to be on a community where that person is an admin. I support people who go into much more detailed explanations of the flaws of such an individual. It's not that you're stupid for not voting for him, it's just that your reason for not voting for him is stupid.

Even more importantly, your argument is just dead wrong - and I've said that both here and on your little essay. The System must change before you can have the admins pull their votes. It is the necessity of the system that the admins make their votes, and make Manticore aware of their concerns and non-concerns of his skills, abilities and aptitude. Why? Because it is the admins who must be convinced to make Manticore an admin - or convinced by the community to not grant Manticore adminship as the case may be. Explain to me how it is fair to Manticore if he is not given this information, if such a vote of confidence or a vote of non-confidence from the admins is not provided to him.

Yes, this may have the effect of making the power-grabbers side with the admins, but that isn't what I think is happening here - despite your claims otherwise. I don't even understand why you have claimed as such. Why did you state, earlier, "You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED"? Do you think that I voted for Manticore because RR said he was good? Do you REALLY think that I haven't formed my own opinion of Manticore? Do you really think that I didn't make my vote based upon my own opinions of Manticore? Do you think Phil_E, HaloDude, Jack_Pheonix or Spartan-077 haven't formed their own opinions and made up their own minds based upon those opinions? You, yourself, claim that there is no obvious reason to vote against Manticore, that there is nothing wrong with him. So why would they not vote for him? What reason is there not to vote for him - especially when his history with Rollback, his history of welcoming new users, his history of helping users, and his complete answers to 14 questions below all give him points with the userbase.

HBad, your argument doesn't make a lick of sense, and that is why I don't believe it is your argument. If you don't want Manticore to be an administrator because you don't like him, because you think he's RR's lackey, because he's kicked or banned you a couple of times, or something else personal, put it down. It is a valid argument and a valid reason and I would have nothing against you for that. Right now, you are acting like the world's biggest idiot.

So HBad, what is your problem? --forgottenlord 16:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Forgottenlord, with all due respect, perhaps you'd want to tone down your diatribe a bit? It's a 'lil offensive at times. =] Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 17:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Er....how? I said his argument was stupid and he was acting like the world's biggest idiot - both times criticizing an action, not the person. --forgottenlord 17:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Well, I can't vote until September 1st, but Manticore knows I would if I could... :P --Blemo ^TALK • _{CONTRIBUTIONS} 08:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I wish ED wrote my university letters of recommendation...he'd be a good professor to take class from. ;-) Cheers, RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team ^TALK • _MESSAGE 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

hah hah yeah, I could pass for a professor, couldn't I? --DEMONSPAWNED 23:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions

Nominee, if you accept the nomination, please answer the following questions. It is advised that voters check the nominee's responses before voting.

1. When did you join Halopedia?

January 14, 2007.

2. What do you believe are your most valued contributions to Halopedia?

In my first few weeks here I practically rewrote every UNSC rank article we have, and still continue to edit and update those as new information is available. I've served on our official FanArt Committee, and have held rollback rights since March 31, 2007, helping to revert vandalism or factual inaccuracies whenever I see it. Recently, I've been a leader of the Covenant of Halopedia, and am now currently serving as a leader of the UNSC of Halopedia. I am currently ranked ninth in the list of editors by mainspace edits.

3. What do you believe are your most valued technical contributions to Halopedia?

I've created a few userboxes, and overhauled some of templates. I've done a little work on the welcome template, and I created the IP invite.

4. What do you believe are your most valued contributions to the community?

I have welcomed many users, and invited many more potential users (IP's) to join us. I'm always happy to help other users when I can, whether giving advice on article editing or with technical things like signature coding. I also monitor and safeguard #halopedia as an op.

5. What is your expertise with programming languages, if any?

I have a decent knowledge of HTML, and am willing to learn others if it is required.

6. Do you administrate any other Wikias? If so, which?

No.

7. If you are administrated, what changes do you propose?

I'd like to see more community input in decision making. I think there's a perception that the current administration makes a lot of the decisions without consulting the community. Even though I don't believe this is true, I do think that a return to more voting situations will help change this perception.

8. To the best of your understanding, what does administratorship entail?

Being a servant of the community. An administrator blocks vandals, protects pages which are frequently vandalised, and generally looks after the wiki for its users.

9. To the best of your understanding, when will you be able to check Halopedia after you are administrated, in the event that you are?

I always pop in and visit once a day, checking recent changes and my watchlist (currently at 111 articles!). I also reply to my talk page posts, jump on IRC, and edit!

10. What communities are you associated with online, Halo and otherwise?

I'm a member of Wikipedia, and the Harry Potter Wiki. I also provide Wikia support whenever I am able to on #wikia.

11. What is your familiarity with the Halo universe?

I've got Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 sitting on my bookcase, along with the four released novels. I've yet to get a copy of The Graphic Novel, because my local bookstore doesn't have it yet :( I'm a big fan of the Halo series (obviously!) and would consider myself quite knowledgeable.

12. What is your familiarity with Wikia and Halopedia policies?

I'm very familiar with policy. I've even drafted some myself.

13. What is your relationship with the Halopedia community and current administration?

Excellent, I think. I keep in touch with the community via IRC and my talk page. I keep in regular contact with the current administration via these methods, and also by email.

14. How may users contact you?

I'm readily available via IRC, or my talk page. I also have a dedicated email for Halopedia.