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* '''Merge''' Suggesting for merge. why does this have its own article? [[User:Vikedal|Vikedal]] 06:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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* '''Merge''' Doesn't this rank fall under the classification of [[Zealot]]? -- [[User:Couchpotato99|<font color="red">Couchpotato99</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(contribs)</font>]]</small> 07:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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:*Um...no...--[[User:JohnSpartan117]] [http://installation07.uk.to] 08:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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|"3rd down only looking up to Honor Guards and Councillors"||"second only to the Elite Councilors"
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*They seem quite similar to me... -- [[User:Couchpotato99|<font color="red">Couchpotato99</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(contribs)</font>]]</small> 08:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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:*But diffferent. 3rd down and looking up to honnor guards and counclilors is lower to second only to counlilors. A reason that it is not medtioned in the zealot bit could be because we were not made aware of it intil GoO.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">ryan</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">n</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">greenday</font>]] 08:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
* '''Don't Merge''' Thanks Rotaretilbo for removing the FOF template.  I made this page, Imperial Admiral was mentioned in [[GoO]], and is my rank at my page.[[User:Darth nexes|Admaral Sozai]]
* '''Don't Merge''' If its mentioned in Halo Canon then it is allowed to have its own article.  To merge it must be mentioned in the Halo Universe or commented on by Bungie that, Imperial Admiral is just another word for Zealot. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 03:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Don't Merge''' I agre with what is said above.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">ryan</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">n</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">greenday</font>]] 21:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
*'''Don't Merge''' These are two entirely different classes. The Admiral is much higher ranking than a Zealot, if you've read Onyx you'd see that. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch &#39;Nodotee]] 00:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


==MasterThief added FanFiction to make this a seperate article==
The supreme commander and imperial admiral are generally the same rank.Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that Xytan Jar Watinree unoficially,without permission from the prophets,combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commandered a single fleet as did the Arbiter before the [[Great Schism]] and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a [[Halo]] fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the imaging to creat a clue of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to creat the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model.
*There is alway the possibility that when [[User:MasterThief|MasterThief]] [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Imperial_Admiral&diff=prev&oldid=29040 added that bit of information] it was supposition. And, seeing the both titles have identical duties, it is unlikely that they are in different positions on the Elite social ladder. Perhaps MasterThief failed to take into account the Honour Guards? He didn't site his source, so for all we know it could have been made up. -- [[User:Couchpotato99|<font color="red">Couchpotato99</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(contribs)</font>]]</small> 09:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
::*P.S. What's [[GoO]]? -- [[User:Couchpotato99|<font color="red">Couchpotato99</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(contribs)</font>]]</small> 09:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
:::* (GoO = Ghosts of Onyx) and i thought Darth nexes made this page.--[[User:ryanngreenday|<font color="red">ryan</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday/Archive|<font color="blue">n</font>]]''[[User talk:Ryanngreenday|<font color="green">greenday</font>]] 09:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
::::*Darth nexes did make this page, but he said the Imperial Admiral is "is a very high elite rank, possably the highest in the covenant." However, MasterThief changed it to "is a very high elite rank, second only to the Elite Councilors." So thats where that information comes from. -- [[User:Couchpotato99|<font color="red">Couchpotato99</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Couchpotato99|<font color="blue">(contribs)</font>]]</small> 20:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::*If MasterThief can't back up his statement that this rank is, "is a very high elite rank, second only to the Elite Councilors." then the merge will be reconsidered. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 04:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::*I ment the highest milatery rank in the covenant, the councilors are the highest rank, but they do not pertisapate in acual combat. --[[User:Darth nexes|<b><span style="color: purple">Admiral Sozai Nexes</span></b>]] [[Image:.jpg|15 px]] <sup>[[User talk:Darth nexes|<b><span style="color: light purple">FLEETCOMM</span></b>]]</sup> 19:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


==Removing the Fact Or Fiction Template==
==Rank==
*You guys realize that there is nothing stated here, right?--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rotaretilbo]] 21:48, 05 December 2006
*So anyway, I am going to remove the Fact or Fiction template. I added a source where an Elite holds the rank of Imperial Admiral just in case.--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]] 22:41 06 December 2006


== merge to elite page ==
The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite.


MERGE-It small enough to fit in elite page--[[User:Unggoy|Unggoy]] 17:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The proof of the fact that supreme commander and imperial admiral are generally the same is the definition of the word "FORMER." Keep in mind it said on page 239 of Halo Ghost of Onyx it said "This happened before the "FORMER" supreme commander of fleet of particular justice."


== Supreme Comander lesser? ==
Definition of former, (I looked it up in my microsoft dictionary by internet and pasted the definition down on this article without any changes what so ever)


No offense but it is most likely that the Supreme Commander is the same thing as an Imperial Admiral. Also keep in mind that the people who made the graphic novel have altered the whey characters look. For example, the New Mombassa page had slightly differen elites with pink skin opposed to the original grey purple skin. In halo ghost of onyx it even says " The FORMER supreme commander of the fleet of particular justice. Oh, and don't forget that even said Ex-supreme commander. All of this helps prove that Supreme commander and Imperial Admiral are the same.Like I wrote before, the authors and illustrator altered the way the story line and appearences of the characters in the halo universe. Perhaps the author of The Last Voyage Of The Infinite Succor was refering to the Imperial Admiral as Supreme Commander.--halo 3
Former-Having been something: having had the name or status specified during an earlier period.  
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


* This does make sense, but i think we should wait to change it until we can get more proof.--[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch &#39;Nodotee]] 00:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
==Votes for MERGE==
 
** Is an imperial really 11'6''? That would seem a little strange since all the others are 8'6''. Or does this refer to one that is weirdly tall?
 
The one in GoO is 11'6 but the rest are likely 8'6
== Possible Image... ==
 
I think i finally found a pic of an Admiral. I uploaded a chart and i think the pic is correct, feel free to edit my changes though, cause i'm still somewhat new and makes mistakes.--[[User:Donut THX 1138|Shch &#39;Nodotee]] 00:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 
==Image:Imperial Admiral.JPG==
 
The image has been denied approval by the [[Halopedia:FanArt Rulings|Fan Art Committee]]


* '''Merge''' As per above -- [[User:Halo3|Halo3]]


== not 11'6 ==
== not 11'6 ==
the imperial admiral is not 11'6! its his hologram which he talks to the elite's thats 11'6.
the imperial admiral is not 11'6! its his hologram which he talks to the elite's thats 11'6. -- [[User:Cicthalowars|Cicthalowars]] 23:58, 26 March 2007
:No the hologram was either somewhere around 30 or 20 meters butt as for xytan's height, it was either a typo or that is in fact his height though it is possible that he was wearing a head dress as very high ranked elite most likely would. Please sign coments by adding
and then adding your user name.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3


No the hologram was either somewhere around 30 or 20 meters butt as for xytan's height, it was either a typo or that is in fact his height though it is possible that he was wearing a head dress as very high ranked elite most likely would. Please sign coments by adding
==Edited page==
and then adding your user name.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3


I just edited the page on explaining why Supreme Commander and Imperial Admiral are the same.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 15:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3
I just edited the page on explaining why Supreme Commander and Imperial Admiral are the same.[[User:Halo3|Halo3]] 15:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3
:Until this issue is resolved no more new info should be added to the page. -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 16:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Revision as of 12:36, March 30, 2007

The supreme commander and imperial admiral are generally the same rank.Many speculate that the imperial admiral commands larger fleets but the truth is that Xytan Jar Watinree unoficially,without permission from the prophets,combined the two seperate fleets out of pure rebellion without a promotion in rank.It is most likely that the Imperial Admiral had originally commandered a single fleet as did the Arbiter before the Great Schism and generally it could be possible that Arbiter would also rebell and combine two fleets to creat an almost full scale rebellion against the prophets had he have been in the same exact situation.Also, if a Halo fan studies the book Halo Ghost Of Onyx more carefully, they will actually notice on page 239 it said "THE FORMER SUPREME COMMANDER" in a paragraph near the bottom of the page (If you can't find it read the whole page over and slowly).The word "FORMER" is refering to some who also had the same status as Xytan Jar Wattinree (Also it infers that supreme commander and imperial admiral are the same). In other words it is saying that someone (Most likely the Arbiter) held the same rank as imperial admiral/supreme commander.The Halo Graphic Novel's story-line itself is cannon, though when I say story-line I'm excluding the imaging to go along ad blend with the story.The imaging is'nt really trust worthy cannon.One prime example is the New Mombassa story plot.The story-line refering to the event prior to Halo2 is correct but the imaging to creat a clue of what it looked like is generally not cannon.The imaging for the elites in the plot and theme were graphically incorrect as they had pink skin.Even the weapons in that story were almost totally different.Pink plasma swords and plasma rifles that shoot green beams oposed to the white blue plasma sword and blue full automatic machine gun style plasma rifles that shoot lightning-blue bolts of plasma is totally different.Generally the point is that people believe that the Halo Graphic Novel is the source to look at for the subject.What many don't realize is that the artist were just simply being creative.The primary point is that people believe that just because they saw the supreme commander in violet armour that the imperial admiral and supreme commander are different.Just like the authors used creativity to creat the elites and covenant weaponry in Sunrise Over New Mombassa they just simply used creativity for the FORMER supreme commander (Just to make him look fancier and more awe inspiring) in Last Voyage of The Infinite Succor therefore ruining any true cannon for what a supreme commander might of actually look like.Also notice that the last image of the so called Imperial Admiral was a game mod and possibly a custom made multiplayer model.

Rank

The Imperial Admiral's armor is silver/gold and has dozens of golden glyphs that show a high ranking elite.

The proof of the fact that supreme commander and imperial admiral are generally the same is the definition of the word "FORMER." Keep in mind it said on page 239 of Halo Ghost of Onyx it said "This happened before the "FORMER" supreme commander of fleet of particular justice."

Definition of former, (I looked it up in my microsoft dictionary by internet and pasted the definition down on this article without any changes what so ever)

Former-Having been something: having had the name or status specified during an earlier period. Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Votes for MERGE

  • Merge As per above -- Halo3

not 11'6

the imperial admiral is not 11'6! its his hologram which he talks to the elite's thats 11'6. -- Cicthalowars 23:58, 26 March 2007

No the hologram was either somewhere around 30 or 20 meters butt as for xytan's height, it was either a typo or that is in fact his height though it is possible that he was wearing a head dress as very high ranked elite most likely would. Please sign coments by adding

and then adding your user name.Halo3 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

Edited page

I just edited the page on explaining why Supreme Commander and Imperial Admiral are the same.Halo3 15:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

Until this issue is resolved no more new info should be added to the page. -- Esemono 16:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)