Talk:Battle of Installation 00: Difference between revisions

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Why does it say second Battle of Installation 00 now?I don't recall there EVER being another one.Sith Venator 02:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The one with Mendicant Bias? --Dragonclaws^(talk) 03:47, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe,but even so they were 2 different wars thus still wouldn't be a second just a Battle of Instalation 00(Forerunner-Flood War) and Battle of Instalation 00(Human-Covenant War).Sith Venator 23:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

New Main Image

This page is mighty impressive yes. But the main image in my opinion ought to be changed. I don't think three ODSTs running in a line showcases this battle appropriately. I don't know what to put in place but I suggest the space battle image, or possibly an image from the ground battle involving large UNSC forces etc. Wr1ghty 10:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of Battle

Why does it say the battle takes months? It seems like it just take hours (timeline wise)? There doesn't seem to indicate any sleeping time and waiting time and why would it take months to activate the rings if you're already at The Ark?--99.237.222.73 23:08, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Aegis Fate

Why isn't the Aegis Fate included here? Bungie claims that their multiplayer maps are all more or less canonical, so the map Sandtrap should be enough to warrant its inclusion here. If one needs more evidence: in the initial stages of the Battle of the Ark, six pelicans were launched towards the Ark's surface, however, only three were dropped from the Dawn's cargo bay. This would seem to at least imply a second frigate's presence. D3in0nychu5 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I guess someone keeps removing it. It sand trap set on 00?-- Forerunner 00:19, August 29, 2010 (UTC

infobox

the battle infobox is misleading. the separatists and forerunners are not part of the unsc. it appears to be an issue with the template itself User:Asdf1239/sig 02:04, 2 December 2010 (EST)

fixed--File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif Ender the Xenocide File:1221751884 I-animated-this-for-you.gif 02:15, 2 December 2010 (EST)

"covenant separatists" still appears as a division of "UNSC" User:Asdf1239/sig 05:10, 2 December 2010 (EST)

000 Tragic Solitude

As the monitor of 00 wouldn't Solitude be in control of the Sentinels on the Ark that were encountered on The Ark (level)? If so shouldn't it be included in the infobox? File:Colonel Grade One.png Col. Snipes 4 50 File:Colonel Grade One.png 12:16, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

Yeah I'll add him. (unrelated side note my post at the top of the page from 2008 really comes off as rude)Sith Venator

(Dank Memes) 14:15, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

Honour Code - Elite Tactics

How come the Elites are only honour bound against humans but not against Brutes.

Elites honour code is how they lost Battle of Alpha Base and lost too many ships at Fall of Reach, yet they don't go for glorious boarding action against Brutes? No explanation is made as to how the Elites suddenly became tactical geniuses over-night? Could someone please clarify that please? --90.197.5.100 17:33, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Several Sangheili commanders demonstrated considerable skill in tactics throughout the war, most notably Thel 'Vadam(ee). Tactical missteps in isolated battles do not an incompetent race make. As for why not go for "glorious boarding action", the Halopedia content pages aren't the place for that kind of speculation, but given the Sangheili's goal was to eliminate Truth's fleet, not capture it, engaging in ship-to-ship combat would seem the better choice, particularly given the fact that the troops that would have been engaged in the boarding parties were needed on the surface of the Installation.--Emblem 1.jpg Rusty-112 Admin comm 17:45, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

They also consider humans to be much more honourable than the Jiralhanae, so the "degree" of honour they give to opponents probably depends on how honourable they deem their opponent. - NightHammer (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Also keep in mind: the Covenant's biggest botch-jobs, ie; their disastrous handling of the humans on Alpha Halo, the invasion of Earth, etc, took place under the authority of Prophets. Thel leaned towards simply blowing the Autumn out of the sky, but it was the Minor Prophet who ordered the boardings. Likewise, the boarding ops at Earth took place to allow Regret to barely slip past, and the Covenant deployment on Delta Halo that destroyed Regret's temple were partially ordered by Truth to kill him. When unhindered by Prophet interference, the Elites prove they're pretty vicious and intelligent - ie; Reach, where I can't really think of a stupid deployment there, and conducted smart, complex operations to circumvent human defences. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 06:03, 23 July 2015 (EDT)

The Elites at Reach, under Thel' Vadam (Supreme Commander then freaking Arbiter in Halo 2) no less thought it was a good idea to send ship after ship into the UNSC's orbital defenses where if he was intelligent he would have made them use ranged weaponry and not treat his fleet like a zombie horde. So the switch from that to "yeah the Elites can beat a brute fleet 3-1" is a jarring phenomenon that needs context. Also the Covenant's failed attempts to repel the UNSC during the Truth and Reconcilliation raids, commander-in-chief? Thel' Vadam (admittedly under Prophet's orders but that's still no excuse for screwing up a basic ground operation and the Chief's presence is no excuse). The Elites have repeatedly been outwitted by humans in space thanks to nothing more than ablative tactics in many cases, especially when up against Admiral Cole --90.198.32.100 14:00, 26 July 2015 (EDT)

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 == Honour Code - Elite Tactics ==
 How come the Elites are only honour bound against humans but not against Brutes.
 Elites honour code is how they lost Battle of Alpha Base and lost too many ships at Fall of Reach, yet they don't go for glorious boarding action against Brutes? No explanation is made as to how the Elites suddenly became tactical geniuses over-night? Could someone please clarify that please? --90.197.5.100 17:33, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
-    Several Sangheili commanders demonstrated considerable skill in tactics throughout the war, most notably Thel 'Vadam(ee). Tactical missteps in isolated battles do not an incompetent race make. As for why not go for "glorious boarding action", the Halopedia content pages aren't the place for that kind of speculation, but given the Sangheili's goal was to eliminate Truth's fleet, not capture it, engaging in ship-to-ship combat would seem the better choice, particularly given the fact that the troops that would have been engaged in the boarding parties were needed on the surface of the Installation.--Emblem 1.jpg Rusty-112 Admin comm 17:45, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+Several Sangheili commanders demonstrated considerable skill in tactics throughout the war, most notably Thel 'Vadam(ee). Tactical missteps in isolated battles do not an incompetent race make. As for why not go for "glorious boarding action", the Halopedia content pages aren't the place for that kind of speculation, but given the Sangheili's goal was to eliminate Truth's fleet, not capture it, engaging in ship-to-ship combat would seem the better choice, particularly given the fact that the troops that would have been engaged in the boarding parties were needed on the surface of the Installation.--Emblem 1.jpg Rusty-112 Admin comm 17:45, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+They also consider humans to be much more honourable than the Jiralhanae, so the "degree" of honour they give to opponents probably depends on how honourable they deem their opponent. - NightHammer (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
-        They also consider humans to be much more honourable than the Jiralhanae, so the "degree" of honour they give to opponents probably depends on how honourable they deem their opponent. - NightHammer (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+Also keep in mind: the Covenant's biggest botch-jobs, ie; their disastrous handling of the humans on Alpha Halo, the invasion of Earth, etc, took place under the authority of Prophets. Thel leaned towards simply blowing the Autumn out of the sky, but it was the Minor Prophet who ordered the boardings. Likewise, the boarding ops at Earth took place to allow Regret to barely slip past, and the Covenant deployment on Delta Halo that destroyed Regret's temple were partially ordered by Truth to kill him. When unhindered by Prophet interference, the Elites prove they're pretty vicious and intelligent - ie; Reach, where I can't really think of a stupid deployment there, and conducted smart, complex operations to circumvent human defences. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 06:03, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
-            Also keep in mind: the Covenant's biggest botch-jobs, ie; their disastrous handling of the humans on Alpha Halo, the invasion of Earth, etc, took place under the authority of Prophets. Thel leaned towards simply blowing the Autumn out of the sky, but it was the Minor Prophet who ordered the boardings. Likewise, the boarding ops at Earth took place to allow Regret to barely slip past, and the Covenant deployment on Delta Halo that destroyed Regret's temple were partially ordered by Truth to kill him. When unhindered by Prophet interference, the Elites prove they're pretty vicious and intelligent - ie; Reach, where I can't really think of a stupid deployment there, and conducted smart, complex operations to circumvent human defences. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 06:03, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
-The Elites at Reach, under Thel' Vadam no less thought it was a good idea to send ship after ship into the UNSC's orbital defenses where if he was intelligent he would have made them use ranged weaponry and not treat his fleet like a zombie horde. So the switch from that to "yeah the Elites can beat a brute fleet 3-1" is a jarring phenomenon that needs context. Also the Covenant's failed attempts to repel the UNSC during the Truth and Reconcilliation raids, commander-in-chief? Thel' Vadam (admittedly under Prophet's orders but that's still no excuse for screwing up a basic ground operation and the Chief's presence is no excuse). The Elites have repeatedly been outwitted by humans in space thanks to nothing more than ablative tactics in many cases, especially when up against Admiral Cole --[[Special:Contributions/90.198.32.100|90.198.32.100]] 14:00, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
+The Elites at Reach, under Thel' Vadam (Supreme Commander then freaking Arbiter in Halo 2) no less thought it was a good idea to send ship after ship into the UNSC's orbital defenses where if he was intelligent he would have made them use ranged weaponry and not treat his fleet like a zombie horde. So the switch from that to "yeah the Elites can beat a brute fleet 3-1" is a jarring phenomenon that needs context. Also the Covenant's failed attempts to repel the UNSC during the Truth and Reconcilliation raids, commander-in-chief? Thel' Vadam (admittedly under Prophet's orders but that's still no excuse for screwing up a basic ground operation and the Chief's presence is no excuse). The Elites have repeatedly been outwitted by humans in space thanks to nothing more than ablative tactics in many cases, especially when up against Admiral Cole --[[Special:Contributions/90.198.32.100|90.198.32.100]] 14:00, 26 July 2015 (EDT)