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| ==Halo 3 Design Changes==
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| Am I correct in assuming that the Longsword has changed since its original incarnation. For example, some form of atmospheric intake or vent is seen at the front of the craft, but these appear absent in [[Halo 3]]. Does anyone know the full extent of these changes?[[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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| yeah plus the cockpit area has changed from the first two to halo3 Darkproxy
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| There are alot of changes, I'm currently compiling a pair of comparisons to spot all of em.
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| [[User:Spartan 501|Spartan 501]] 06:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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| ==What's Wrong with These Images?==
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| [[Image:Longsword Bombers.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]][[Image:Longsword Cockpit.jpg|thumb|Whats wrong with this image?]]what's wrong with these pictures is that they are'nt from in-game, using the cutscenes or gameplay. they were made using modding to adjust the camera angle. the pictures are cool, but are not official, because we can't know if they have been tampered with or not, like moving control panels, changing dimensions, etc., and may be misleading. -- 125.238.89.110 22:25, 10 December 2006
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| == frigate ==
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| it says that frigates do not carry longswords + there are no habgers big enough [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 22:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
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| How could the Pillar of Autumn actually carried the Longsword? The POA isn't big enough for it!
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| --[[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|Master Chief Petty Officer]] 10:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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| well it says it holded around 8 so well have to go with it although i agree because when you watch the end movie on halo 1 showing the chief escape the POA looks much bigger than the 1st movie on the game were you see the longswords with the POA so i dont know really but all we know is it does kk thanks! [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 13:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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| I count eleven, including the one in the hangar, not seven, like it says on the page. can anyone else confirm this? -SpecOps306
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| The PoA is a pretty big cruiser.
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| there has been some size discussion going on in some other sites, and it appears to me that this page's specs on the longsword are alittle to large. the Longsword's wingspan does not appear to be larger than that of a B36 Peacemaker (230 foot wingspan), the predecossor to the current B52. I've personally scene these things, and i have pictures of people walking on the wings. I specifically went through Co-Op to have someone try and stand in front of the thing without the mission ending, and it just does not seem right. 245 feet is just an outragous size.
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| i really wish i knew where this person was getting their sizes from. its way off.- CAB IV
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| There are major discrepancies regarding the Pillar of Autumn's size. It is officially recognised as being 1.17 km in length. Although it is at least 3 km long in some appearences, we have to pretend that it all makes sense even though it does not. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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| == A-A ==
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| does anyone know what Anti air missile the longsword posses to fight e.g. seraphs, or do the fire the ASGM-10s at seraphs? [[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 17:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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| I think that longswords fire thier ASGM-10s at seraphs --[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 20:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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| i did think this but it states that they have mass damage on an unshielded target, so i didnt think they would have the tracking ability of A-A missiles of today like the AMRAAM or AIM-9M sidewinder, because from the sondes of it hey are used to target capital ships but i suppose that they could use the ASGM-10s and that it has just been posted wrong kk, thanks mate--[[User:J!MMY8806|J!MMY8806]] 21:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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| == Title ==
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| I dont know about anyone else, but the title looks pretty fecked up. like theres another one behind it, bigger in size. if someone who knows how could fix it up, i would be grateful!! -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 07:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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| :That has been happening on a lot of pages for some reason --[[User:Gzalzi|Gzalzi]] 07:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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| ==Title Pic==
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| Come on, doesn't anyone on this website have a better pic of a Longsword? If anyone has a better screenshot of a Longsword, (such as a screenshot of a Longsword in Halo:Custom Edition) ''please'' upload it and put it where the old pic of the Longsword is. Thank you.<br />
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| -'''[[user:SPARTAN-001|<font color="#78866B">SPARTAN-001</font>]]''' [<sub>[[user talk:SPARTAN-001|<font color=green>'''COM'''</font>]]</sub>•<sup>[[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-001|'''C<font color=orange>S</font><font color=steelblue>V</font>''']]</sup>] [[Image:Spikers.jpg|40px]]
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| [[User:MIL AI-24AX89Z|'''<font color=darkblue size=0.15>D<sup>A</sup>R<sup>K</sup>E<sup>S</sup>T</font><font color=black> <sub>N</sub>I<sub>G</sub>H<sub>T</sub></font>''']]
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| Anyone think it's sad that the prettiest pic of a longsword is of it being shot down.
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| Yea i agree, this pic sucks. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 00:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
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| yeah, the ship would look better if it wern't blowni' up.--[[User talk:Arabsbananas|Arabsbananas]] 04:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
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| == Longsword pic ==
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| [IMG]http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l148/megatron6543/8441298-Medium.jpg[/IMG]
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| == Shields? ==
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| Look at the article Tour in Longsword. In one of the last readouts, where is ammo etc.. is also SHIELDS. Is longsword then equipped with them?
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| It is not. The texture for this readout was likely created on a whim, as the only craft which possess energy shielding in the Halo universe belong to the Covenant. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 22:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
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| Perhaps (completely contextual speculation) the longword's computer can calculate opposing ship's shield strengths based on data taken from former UNSC encounters and help the pilot determine which targets to attack and which weapons to use.
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| Shilds could be a reference to heat sheilds. they are used by any Human ship that can function in space and atmosphere. [[user:themasteridiot|themasteridiot]]
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| == RE: Shields ==
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| A longsword does not have shields. [[User:Ghost sangheili|Ghost elite]] 12:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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| ==?????????==
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| this thing seems way too big to be a intercepter maybe a heavy fighter but the UNSC must have something smaller--[[User:Garyclementspunji|Garyclementspunji]] 00:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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| :They do, the [[SkyHawk]]. Remember, the Longsword was intended for ''space'' combat, never meant for the role it plays now.'''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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| Now if you look at the size comment then it would make sense as fighters and interceptors have grown in size with each passing generation
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| == Contemporary Comparison ==
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| The P-61 Black Widow is a better comparison to the Longsword than the B-17.
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| wait, where are you getting your information? do you have any idea what those 2 aircraft are? they are both multi-piston engined American aircraft form WWII. i fail to see any resemplence other than the P-61's role as a heavy night fighter/interceptor and the B-17's role as a bomber.-[[User:VYPER117|VYPER117]]
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| == Size ==
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| the longsword is almost the size of a b2 bomber but it moves like an F-35 strike fighter however over the years fighters have grown in size look at the P-38 and then fast forward fifty years later and look at the changes in size it make sense if you truely think about it
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| == Longsword Fighter ==
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| I think that in one of the games, there should be a mini-game where Master Chief gets into a Longsword and flies into a space battle. Then, he blows up an uncountable number of fighters and ships.
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| Primary Weapon (Right Trigger) : 110 Rotary Guns (what does that mean anyway ?)
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| Secondary Weapon (Left Trigger) : Fires 12 missiles that home in on targets and recharges every 5 seconds
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| Third Weapon (B) : Launches a Shiva-Tipped Nuclear Warhead that recharges every 5 minutes
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| -Lotus Leaf
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| WOOOOO!!!!!I vote for this guy's idea.......It's like I've been saying whatif they had a battlefront2 type game where you have space battles and ground battles or can transition between the two--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:00, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST
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| == Longsword modifications ==
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| A lot of people seem to be getting hung up on trivial differences about this craft, from colouring, dimensions, modifciations etc.
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| When it comes to combat aircraft, if you look throughout history you will note that not everyone of them ended up looking the same after operational service. Yes, they may have all been produced on the factory floor to a standard set by the prototypes that worked, but combat aircraft are modified for a variety of reasons once deployed into service, such as:
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| - to carry mission specific ordinance;
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| - structurally modified by squadron engineers because what works in testing doesn't work/last during combat or extended use;
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| - to operate effectively in different environments (what enables space superiority may not enable air superiority);
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| - due to a lack of replacement/repair parts (operating far from resupply, behind enemy lines);
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| - and changes by ground/pilot/fleet crews (pilot/squadron/fleet colours/markings).
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| What you can say for sure is the basic design and dimensions, basic armament, and from there throw in a caveat about the design(s) being heavily modified by ground crew/squadrons/fleets due to operational requirements etc.
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| Anoctris - anoctris@hotmail.com
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| Longswords seem to carry ordnance pods that can drop things such as target locaters. you can see what they say here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyWmnbni02U * [[User talk:Darb 013|Darb 013]] 03:52, August 2, 2010 (UTC) *
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| == Halo 3 Differences ==
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| to me the longsword looks smaller in halo 3 [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 18:28, 13 Oct 2008 (UTC)
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| == Incorrect Trivia ==
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| The trivia says this:
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| "In Halo 3, the only time you see Longswords in game is when they are being shot-down and crashing"
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| But in the cutscene just before Floodgate you see some fly right above you followed by the UNSC frigates Forward Unto Dawn and Aegis Fate. They aren't yet shot down.
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| == Physics Mistake ==
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| Escape velocity only applies to non-powered flight. For powered vehicles like the longsword, the engines would only need to be powerful enough produce enough lift / produce enough thrust to overcome gravity. The more notable thing to mention is that the same engines operate in a vacuum as well as atmosphere. Assuming the engines function by burning fuel of some sort (rocketry-based) this implies that the ship carries an oxidizer for the fuel in addition to the fuel itself [[User: ElFroCampeador|ElFroCampeador]] <sup>[[User talk:ElFroCampeador|<font color="red">TALK</font>]]</sup> [[Image:Sergeant-gr1.gif|20px]] 22:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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| God where to even ''begin'' tearing this apart...
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| Escape velocity is just as relevant to a powered craft since no matter if one acquires the needed velocity all at once (fired out of a cannon or the like) or over a longer period of thrusting you must still reach escape velocity. The only thing that changes is what that speed happens to be since it get's lower as you climb you can in practice make orbit without reaching the the speed needed for a surface escape velcioty. That later bit is what you're thinking of and is how fast you'd need to go if you simply fired say a cannon shell from the ground. Thing is that's ''just one possible'' escape velocity.
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| Adding an engine that thrusts as you climbs doesn't somehow mean you no longer must reach escape velocity to break orbit, it merely alters what the velocity will be. If you put an engine on the craft that cannot produce the needed velocity it won't matter if it can overcome gravity and climb it will NEVER escape orbit. Being able to overcome gravity means nothing any rocket plane can overcome gravity, but not any rocket plane can blast into low orbit; because it cannot produced the needed velcioty to do: ''it can't reach escape velcioty''.
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| Thus in order for a vehicle to break orbit it's engine must not simply "overcome gravity" it must be able to overcome gravity ''while accelerating the vehicle up to the planetary escape velocity''.
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| As for the second bit first off get the terms right "Fuel" is what runs the reactor "Reaction Mass" is glowly shit that comes out the tail pipe. The Longsword is clearly fusion powered these people can make a fusion reactor small enough to stick in a backpack for christ sake. A nuclear powered Longsword is child’s play by comparsion and we know the Pelican uses nuclear turbines. If the Longsword was rocket powered it would have to be the size of a fucking Saturn 5 rocket to do what it does.
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| Such a drive would work by simply dumping your Remass into the flaming hot reactor chamber and shooting it out the back as superheated plasma. In an atmosphere it’s vaguely possible one could even use straight up air for this freeing you of the need to burn Remass when climbing for the first few dozen kilometers. What appear to be air intakes on the machine support the idea that it uses this approach. As a side effect it would also mean it would have effectively unlimited range on a planet (It would only need to land when it had to refuel the reactor which could be weeks or even months)--[[User talk:TK3997|TK3997]] 22:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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| absolutely right there is no escape velocity for powered vehicles, the same argument may be applied to UNSC firgate which can hover above cities, they can move away from the earth at any speed they want provided they have enough fuel as they do.
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| with reference to the game
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| In halo the longsword had to escape the halo rings in a specific time frame.. ie before the Autum blew up and it also had to enter a free fall trajectory taking it way from the ring and the planet it was orbiting, assuming a longsword engine can only run at high power ( the required power to escape the blast) for a certain time, before the engine overheats there could have been a "escape velocity" given those parameters ( to acheive the correct free fall trajectory). That escape velocity would off course have to be calculated by an AI.--[[User talk:Spartan3123|Spartan3123]] 23:51, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
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| == Designation? ==
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| How exactly are they designated? Like Knife 26 or 7-89? [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 11:23, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
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| My theory is that they are assigned (or pick) squadron names and then their numbers are assigned to them based on what fleet they are in.(just a theory I'm not really sure)--[[Special:Contributions/4.153.69.250|4.153.69.250]] 23:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST
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| == Squads r made by the UNSC ==
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| the unsc makes the squadrons probably and then asighn people to them and give them numbers in the squadron.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:40, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| : What are you talking about?? Please be more clear. '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Teal; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">CR8ZY-Ar@B</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">"Dancin' on Glass."</span>]]''' 20:43, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| kind of a crapy response to up top.[[User talk:SPARTAN-III leader|SPARTAN-III leader]] 20:39, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| : Answers only as good as the problem. [[File:80.png|20px]] '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">El Ammo Bandito,</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap"> "¡Para todas sus necesidades destructivas!"</span>]]''' 21:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Name Designation Conflict==
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| According to the Reach Human Arsenal video on Waypoint, it says that the Longsword is called the GA-TL1. Not C709. Feedback?--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 15:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Either one could be a designation given by the manufacturer, while the other may be used in the UNSC Navy itself; real militaries do that sometimes. Alternatively, it's a slightly different model of Longsword. I wouldn't go as far as to change it, but the other designation should be mentioned on the page. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, we've known that there's been variants of the Longsword, it makes sense that it may have a different designation. The problem is: how do we handle this? Do we rename the article? Do we keep it the same? Do we create a ''new'' article? [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 18:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Variants of Longswords? Never heard of such thing. Jugus' provided the best reasoning for now. As such, we would keep it the same for now.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:21, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::If there are indeed different variants of the ''Longsword'', then I suggest simply removing the "C709" from the article's title to encompass both models. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|September 12th, 2010}}
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| :::::This sounds like a good idea. We'll just call it "Longsword-class Interceptor" and mention both model designations on the page.--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 18:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :The Army uses a different naming scheme from the Navy and Marine corps. Oh, Subtank - do visored (H1) and visorless (H3) count as different variants or just as a retconned design?-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:28, September 12, 2010 (UTC)''
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| ::I would consider them as visual updates, not actual variants.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::It wouldn't still be completely unheard of for them to be variants, seeing as the Longsword is the most common fighter used by the UNSC and as such, would likely have several variants in use. Which design is used in Reach BTW? Haven't seen one closely enough to tell. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 18:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I don't know, but just as confirmation of variants, in the short story "Pariah" within Halo: Evolutions, Soren flies away in an older variant of the Longsword to escape the UNSC, and also calls it an older model. The H1-H3 Longswords could just be slight improvements on the design, and not neccesarily variants. If anything, the H1 Longsword would be a better model because of the importance of the PoA mission. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 18:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I'm sorry. He does not call it a different model or variant. It is stated "There is an older Longsword." While that plus the fact that the other Longswords were able to catch up to it so easily suggests that he was flying an older, less advanced model, it is not neccesarily confirmed. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 19:20, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Or simply a Longsword of the same model but different production years, with the old one not receiving proper maintanence.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Yes, that is why I posted again, because it was more of conjecture than I remember when I read it. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 19:36, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::Has anyone considered the fact that ''C709'' is the Hull Classification Symbol of the Pillar of Autumn? The Longsword from which we get C709 may have simply carried the HCS of the Autumn, rather than it's own designation. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 09:36, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::''*raises hand*''- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 09:53, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::::''*high-fives Subs*'' -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 12:30, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::::I've considered that, too, Specops. Great observation. It should also be noted that the Longsword's supposed '''C709''' designation has not appeared anywhere, to my knowledge, other than the ''Encyclopedia'', which copied and pasted the content from here. In contrast, the '''GA-TL1''' designation is given in both the ''Halo: Reach'' manual and on ''Waypoint''. So.... is a move acceptable now? --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 14:31, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::::::I guess so. No comment has shown any opposition. :) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:34, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Rename to "GA-TL1 Longsword" ==
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| I think the part about "-class Interceptor" should be removed from the title, in accordance with the titling standard of other aircraft articles. As far as I know, the part has never even been mentioned in the books (not in the sources provided on the page, anyway). Not that the current title really even makes sense. The Longsword is a fighter craft, not a warship. In comparison, I haven't seen anyone call an F-18 "F-18 ''Hornet''-class multirole fighter". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:33, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| :I agree.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 12:59, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| ::{{Support}} My thoughts exactly, Jugus. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 16:30, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| ::<s>{{Oppose}} - I'm sure Cortana referred to it as a "Longsword-class" in [[The Maw]].</s>-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 16:46, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| :::{{Support}} - It would appear that someone just named it "longsword-class" early on in Halopedia history and no one questioned it.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 16:47, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| :{{support}} -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:40, 24 January 2011 (EST)
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| <strike>:I agree. Unless someone can find an instance where it's referred to as an interceptor, it should be changed.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''- 112 '''</span>]] 23:44, 24 January 2011 (EST)</strike>
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| :{{Oppose}}- Shit. Just found four. Fall of Reach, page 105, Sam refers to the pilots as "Longsword interceptor pilots." They're referred to as "Longsword interceptors" again on page 111, and twice more on page 112.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue;font-size:12pt;color:white;">'''- 112 '''</span>]] 01:00, 25 January 2011 (EST)
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| ::True, but I think it's more of a description of the craft's role rather than its actual title. Like how Seraphs are often referred to as "Seraph fighters" even though it isn't its official name. The Longsword ''is'' an interceptor, I never questioned that, but I think it shouldn't be a part of the title. Plus, my point about the "class" part still stands. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:13, 25 January 2011 (EST)
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| ==Rename GA-TL1 Interceptor/Strike Fighter? ==
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| According to the Essential Visual Guide, this is the craft's true designation, but since Lonsword is the more popular name and even the book usually refers to is as such, I didn't want to go renaming the article without the input of the community. Also, the book confirms that C709 is a Longsword variant and mentions a C712 variant as well.--[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|Darth Oblivion]] 16:27, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
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| :Does it get into detail as to the specifics on the variations? Perhaps it is a canon explanation as to why some Longswords are bigger than others (rather than simply for data-storage or lag reasons). I'm sure tons of aircraft have such designations that lack their given-names - Cortana refers to the C709 in ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' as a "Longsword-class inteceptor", though they only appear to be used in a technical sense and are likely to be largely unused. While it's technical name is what you stated, it is identified more simply as the "GA-TL1 Longsword".-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 16:45, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
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| ::It says the C709 specializes in exostmospheric combat and is fitted with a rotary cannon, while the C712 specializes in short range A/X strike runs and is fitted with missile and mine delivery systems. That's basically it though. No indication of which ones in the games are C712s if any of them are, though I do seem to recall the Reach ones being used in a bomber roll. It does also indicate that there are other variants as well. As far as the size issue, there are larger variants of certain aircraft in real life, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet for example.--[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|Darth Oblivion]] 16:58, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
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| ==Registry # theory confirmed==
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| In the most recent data drop, the PoA's registry number is C709. This confirms that that prefix, and perhaps the GA-TL1 prefix as well, is based off of the ship it is attached to, not the Longsword's actual designation. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 12:26, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
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| :True, and ''The Essential Visual Guide'' also gives this number. However, the'' Guide'' lists the C709 as a Longsword variant. Therefore: in-universe coincidence, real world retcon. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 18:12, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::Well, at least I now realize that there ''are'' Longsword variants. This may require us to rename the article... Can you tell me any more of what it says? I don't have the visual guide (I want to though). [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 19:05, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
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| :::It says that some variants are purpose-built fighters (C709), others are atmospheric/exoatmospheric attack craft (C712), still others deliver mines, etc. I've already added every bit of information from the ''Guide''. In fact, I almost completely rewrote the article about a week ago. There's no need to rename the article; the craft is indeed called the GA-TL1 Longsword, though it is formally known as the GA-TL1 Interceptor/Strike Fighter. Given our convention for naming air/spacecraft, the current title will suffice. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 20:01, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::Alright, thank you. I haven't read the article recently. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 20:15, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ==''Halo 3'' Longsword Image Reference==
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| Could someone do a transparent cutout render of the ''Halo 3''-era Longsword Interceptor for reference and comparison? I'd do it myself, except I can't find a good enough screenshot of the Longsword from ''Halo 3'' to edit in Photoshop. If someone could provide a screenshot, or better yet, do a render themselves, that would be really great, I think it would really benefit the article's Gallery section. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 21:03, 29 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330
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| :'''STATUS UPDATE''': Thanks to Pantegral, that's been taken care of now. Sorry it took so long for the heads-up. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmit</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 12:28, 21 March 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
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| | Shouldn't there be a Changes section describing how each model differs from its past and future iterations? Or does that not really matter in this case? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 16:18, 4 March 2014 (EST)Xamikaze330 |
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| Shouldn't there be a Changes section describing how each model differs from its past and future iterations? Or does that not really matter in this case? --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 16:18, 4 March 2014 (EST)Xamikaze330
| | :If there are any gameplay changes between the ''Halo'' titles, we should have a section on those changes. However, Longswords are not part of gameplay: they are just objects scripted to appear in certain scenes or in the background of a level. If however you're referring to graphical updates, we should not have a section on graphical updates as such updates are expected to happen and such info is more than not to be redundant to users/readers. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:32, 8 March 2014 (EST) |