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*{{Neutral}} - While I acknowledge that the Flood consciousness is essentially a single collective and thus there are no real individuals, this particular Gravemind has so many names and biographical information exclusive to it in particular that it's almost a character of its own by a more conventional definition. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|Contribs]]) 08:56, 3 February 2012 (EST)

:Exactly, which is why we should merge the two pages, so it can be its own character/page. '''[[User:Vegerot|(or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!]]''''' 10:09, 3 February 2012 (EST)!

*{{Oppose}} By the way, in primordium, it is mentioned that ten graveminds have formed solely on installation 07 before didact's arrival, so there may be far more than two graveminds. however, during the timeless one and didact's conversation, although the flood and precursors were mentioned to be at least synonymous in some sense, a few points suggest otherwise. first, the precursors were once defeated by the forerunners, yet the forerunners, with even more advanced technology, lost to the flood. second, the precursors were determined to destroy forerunners only because they were decided to be unfit as inheritors of the mantle and were mentioned to be "creating elsewhere" in the conversation, not the case if the precursors were graveminds. also, no hints of precursor technology were present in the flood invasions. thus i would suggest that instead of being the same entity, the precursors gave the timeless one the ability to function also as a gravemind, controlling the flood, and to carry out the ancient precursor plans while the other precursors create elsewhere, possibly in other galaxies. thus i oppose the merging of "gravemind" and "precursor".

== Original Prison Site ==

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 *{{Neutral}} - While I acknowledge that the Flood consciousness is essentially a single collective and thus there are no real individuals, this particular Gravemind has so many names and biographical information exclusive to it in particular that it's almost a character of its own by a more conventional definition. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:56, 3 February 2012 (EST)
 :Exactly, which is why we should merge the two pages, so it can be its own character/page. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">(or so it says in the sacred caves)</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 10:09, 3 February 2012 (EST)!
+*{{Oppose}} By the way, in primordium, it is mentioned that ten graveminds have formed solely on installation 07 before didact's arrival, so there may be far more than two graveminds. however, during the timeless one and didact's conversation, although the flood and precursors were mentioned to be at least synonymous in some sense, a few points suggest otherwise. first, the precursors were once defeated by the forerunners, yet the forerunners, with even more advanced technology, lost to the flood. second, the precursors were determined to destroy forerunners only because they were decided to be unfit as inheritors of the mantle and were mentioned to be "creating elsewhere" in the conversation, not the case if the precursors were graveminds. also, no hints of precursor technology were present in the flood invasions. thus i would suggest that instead of being the same entity, the precursors gave the timeless one the ability to function also as a gravemind, controlling the flood, and to carry out the ancient precursor plans while the other precursors create elsewhere, possibly in other galaxies. thus i oppose the merging of "gravemind" and "precursor".
 == Original Prison Site ==