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{{FactOrFictionResolved|06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)|[[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]]|This name is fictional name made up to describe what is really the Covenant Cruiser. I'll withdraw my call to delete this article if you can prove it exists by giving me a PAGE NUMBER of where it was mentioned or where in the games it was mentioned.|09:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)}} | {{FactOrFictionResolved|06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)|[[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]]|This name is fictional name made up to describe what is really the Covenant Cruiser. I'll withdraw my call to delete this article if you can prove it exists by giving me a PAGE NUMBER of where it was mentioned or where in the games it was mentioned.|09:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)}} | ||
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Isnt this the same as [[Covenant Assault Carrier]]? -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | Isnt this the same as [[Covenant Assault Carrier]]? -[[User:ED|ED]] 02:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
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== Conjecturalization == | == Conjecturalization == | ||
My name for this is conjecturalized. It has been listed as a large cruiser...super + cruiser = supercruiser. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]] | My name for this is conjecturalized. It has been listed as a large cruiser...super + cruiser = supercruiser. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 20:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
:Conjecturalized isn't a real world. To make a guess, to make something up to post speculation is something called, conjecture. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | :Conjecturalized isn't a real world. To make a guess, to make something up to post speculation is something called, conjecture. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Votes for Deletion== | ==Votes for Deletion== | ||
*'''Delete''' this fan fiction name is mere conjecture, or speculation. Speculation is something that is banned on Halopedia. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' this fan fiction name is mere conjecture, or speculation. Speculation is something that is banned on Halopedia. -- [[User:Yamanba|Yamanba]] 06:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
*'''Strong Keep''' - the information on this ship is real, it is simply the name that is under dispute. It was a major plot device in the [[Battle of Reach]], and was a large reason for the Covenant's sack of the UNSC. Like Wookieepedia does, I recommend to keep it the way it is: with the hypothesized name, but a tag listing its ambiguity, unless you have something better? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]] | *'''Strong Keep''' - the information on this ship is real, it is simply the name that is under dispute. It was a major plot device in the [[Battle of Reach]], and was a large reason for the Covenant's sack of the UNSC. Like Wookieepedia does, I recommend to keep it the way it is: with the hypothesized name, but a tag listing its ambiguity, unless you have something better? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]][[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
*'''Keep''' - Unless you can prove the ship found in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]] on page 297 during the [[Battle of Reach]] is without a doubt an [[Assault Carrier]], then it would be "rampant speculation" to say this is an Assault Carrier, would it not?--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]] 2334 6.12.06 | *'''Keep''' - Unless you can prove the ship found in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]] on page 297 during the [[Battle of Reach]] is without a doubt an [[Assault Carrier]], then it would be "rampant speculation" to say this is an Assault Carrier, would it not?--[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]] 2334 6.12.06 | ||
::An update on that, this quote is describing the Covenant ship in question on page 323 in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]. "The covenant ship centered on the main view screen. This close Captain Keyes saw how huge the ship was- three times the mass of a normal cruiser." The quote doesn't prove without a doubt the ship is called a supercruiser, which I am not trying to prove, but it does give very good reason to believe the ship is a cruiser, which an [[Assault Carrier]] is not (the whole carrier thing kind of disqualifies it from being a cruiser). Earlier, on page 297 "One Covenant ship sat in the center of the pack, a gigantic vessel, larger the 3 UNSC cruisers." The common comparison to a cruiser rather than any other ship, and the use of the word normal in the 323 quote imply that it is a cruiser. Thus, I think it is safe to say this is not an [[Assault Carrier]]. And thus, I think it is safe to leave this ship up until we have an official name for it.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 1539 7.12.06 | ::An update on that, this quote is describing the Covenant ship in question on page 323 in [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]. "The covenant ship centered on the main view screen. This close Captain Keyes saw how huge the ship was- three times the mass of a normal cruiser." The quote doesn't prove without a doubt the ship is called a supercruiser, which I am not trying to prove, but it does give very good reason to believe the ship is a cruiser, which an [[Assault Carrier]] is not (the whole carrier thing kind of disqualifies it from being a cruiser). Earlier, on page 297 "One Covenant ship sat in the center of the pack, a gigantic vessel, larger the 3 UNSC cruisers." The common comparison to a cruiser rather than any other ship, and the use of the word normal in the 323 quote imply that it is a cruiser. Thus, I think it is safe to say this is not an [[Assault Carrier]]. And thus, I think it is safe to leave this ship up until we have an official name for it.--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]''' 1539 7.12.06 | ||
:::Concur as per Rot. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :::Concur as per Rot. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::::I don't think so. Stephen Loftus's scale chart (http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/?display=CapitalShips) shows an Assault Carrier to be about three times the length of a CCS-class cruiser, and usually three times the size means about three times the length in something where length is the prominent dimension. Just my farthing. Just one question, are unregistered users allowed to vote?[[User:24.251.125.185|24.251.125.185]] 04:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | ::::I don't think so. Stephen Loftus's scale chart (http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_scalecomparison/?display=CapitalShips) shows an Assault Carrier to be about three times the length of a CCS-class cruiser, and usually three times the size means about three times the length in something where length is the prominent dimension. Just my farthing. Just one question, are unregistered users allowed to vote?[[User:24.251.125.185|24.251.125.185]] 04:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::Actually, the HBO chart puts the [[Assault Carrier]] at around five times the UNSC cruiser, which is slightly large than three times. The mystery ship at the [[Battle of Reach]] is approximately 3km long, perhaps more. The Assault Carrier is a tad over 5km. | ::Actually, the HBO chart puts the [[Assault Carrier]] at around five times the UNSC cruiser, which is slightly large than three times. The mystery ship at the [[Battle of Reach]] is approximately 3km long, perhaps more. The Assault Carrier is a tad over 5km. | ||
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What if the mysterious ship was the ship in Halo First Strike with the five bublous section and a dozen energy projectors. After all, projectors do emit a silver white beam described by a Spartan as the larger ships have them while there was one fired to clear an opening in the forerunner location underground. {{unsigned|Halo3}} | What if the mysterious ship was the ship in Halo First Strike with the five bublous section and a dozen energy projectors. After all, projectors do emit a silver white beam described by a Spartan as the larger ships have them while there was one fired to clear an opening in the forerunner location underground. {{unsigned|Halo3}} | ||
:That's the [[Covenant Battleship]]. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :That's the [[Covenant Battleship]]. Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 17:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
Covenant Battleship is also a conjecturelized name for the mystery ship at the ''Unyielding Hierophant''. However, seeing as how the minimum length of the Supercruiser is 3000m (roughly assuming the cruiser used to describe it is a UNSC cruiser) and the mystery ship is 2000m long. | Covenant Battleship is also a conjecturelized name for the mystery ship at the ''Unyielding Hierophant''. However, seeing as how the minimum length of the Supercruiser is 3000m (roughly assuming the cruiser used to describe it is a UNSC cruiser) and the mystery ship is 2000m long. | ||