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Halo Wars Marines

Ive noticed that the armor the marine are wearing dosnt seem to be made out of any tipe of metal and theres not much high tech stuff there, wat are your speculations? Mendoza 8:34, 8 2007 (UTC)

Fodder

Fodder an in Cannon Fodder is spelled FODDER!

fodder - people considered as readily available and of little value: cannon fodder.

Wishlist

All this needs to completely rule my life:

• A PC port.
• A galactic map like from Star Wars: Empire at War
• A galactic conquest mode (like Empire at War or War of the Ring mode in Battle for Middle Earth)-- CaptJim 03:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wont happen, its a Xbox 360 Exclusive. The other stuff...probably. --JohnSpartan117 02:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, Halo and Halo 2 were Xbox exclusives but came/are coming to PC, so I'll keep hoping. CaptJim 02:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, they will come, but not for....4 years. --JohnSpartan117 10:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

halo pc is already out i have it. halo 2 pc is coming. -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebelious anarchistFile:Mandskull.jpgTerminus} 20:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, how the hell do you play RTS games on a console!? NeoExelor 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope you can plug in a mouse and keyboard for the 360

i have no clue -Echelon^(talk)||_|(contribs) 21:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Have any of yall played Battle for Middle Earth 2 on the 360 you use the thumbsticks to move the camera and the A button to select units and tell them who to beat up and where to go.Although the keyboard and mouse on 360 dosent sound to bad. So yes IT IS POSSIBLE to play a RTS on a console infact it (to me at least) feels simpler and easier to pick up and play.

My Wishlist:Graphics as good at the trailers,multiplayer,the abbilite for 100 or so units on one field,Space Battles ,a Covenant campaign (anybody wanted to glass a planet?).

Awsome idea, sweep away UNSC resistance and glass billions o humans ;P I know that sounds sarcastic but it's not. --Captain Jacob Rathens 21:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Questions

1. Why do they have battle rifles?
2. And why do the Elites have fat upper bodies?
3. And most importantly that omega crap!Whats up with that?!

--Ryanngreenday 09:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Good question..isnt this 27 years before The Fall Of reach? And they wouldnt have those...they would have...Assualt Rifles....
2. They do? I think they just wanted it to make it in porportion of a regular human's point of view and not a huge Spartan.
3. Omega Crap? What do you mean by that?

--JohnSpartan117 02:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• I mean thers no spartans other then the first class of 2525.--Ryanngreenday 20:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• I’m a bit disappointed it’s a RTS i would of preferred a first person shooter , and whats the unnamed Halo project they mention [1] and are they wearing mark 6 Mjolnir ? --12:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• The unnamed project should be a game for halo first strike.--Ryanngreenday 18:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• sweet, is that what they said or what you want? --Climax Viod 19:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• What i want.--Ryanngreenday 19:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

1. um, this is back on the first 2 questions. First, the Elites formed the Covenant with the Prophets, and Engineers, the Elites as warriors and protectors for them. Anyways, they had been studying the humans for a long time (suggested in Halo: Fall of Reach) and knew that the humans had to be dealt with for being a threat to their "gods." So they sent their best race of units, Elites.
2. Second Question. First I want to comment that it was not the Elites, Hunters, or Grunts that were the traitors. The Prophets actually had the Brutes assassainate all the Elite High Councilers, leading to Civil War. Thus, the Prophets, Brutes, Jackals, and Drones are the traitors. Second, the Brutes probably would have joined, and might show up in this game. However, they were the most recent added alien race to the Covenant, and were probably just being added at the time. Secondly, Jackals would die in that enviroment. Third, Drones weren't soldiers for the Covenant until right before Halo 2. And third, Prophets don't fight. Anyways, these are just opinions, thank you.

1. Don't know. Sorry.

2. Don't want to know, but maybe it's to protect them from the frigid conditions.

3. As the Halo Wars pagepoints out, they are wear a variation of the MJOLNIR Mark IV Armour, which means that they are probably part of the Spartan-I Program. Kerek 11:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

1. Maybe they are not the same model maybe a earlier model.

2. Protection.

3.they are Spartan II's a earlier version.

in answer to the questions at the top:

1. it could be an early version that was pulled out of service due to advancements in design

2.protection against the cold and the snow

3. they could be a small part of a lareger group in first strike pg. 23/24 104 splits red team into alpha beta delta & gamma --Fatman ninja 18:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

The armor must be the origonal MJOLNIR armor that had no shields. That would explain the different look to it. --Captain Jacob Rathens 21:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

1. Re:Why is there a battle rifle -- This is probably an earlier version the Battle Rifle 2. Re:Why do the elites have fat chest -- probably earlier armor 3. Re:What's with the omega crap -- These guys are probably Spartan-I's. This is taking place in the past before anything that's been done before. They probably have an earlier version of the MJOLNIR armor too. 4. Why can't the Jackals survive in that environment? They survived the cold on Alpha Halo 5. Does the ship in the middle of the picture of Spartan Group Omega looks like something besides a Pelican? --File:Final Goji.jpg Lordofmonsterisland ^{"Roar to me} 20:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

1. Although the battle rifle was not available in HALO:CE, versions were available concurrently with versions of the assault rifle in the HALO universe (ie: Novels). The battle rifle is not necessarily a descendant of the assault rifle; it's a different gun all-together. 3. In 2531 these would be teenage Spartan II's like John 117. Although we can read that spartan teams are usually given colors as names, a group may be much larger than a team. In the USN / USMC a group is a large inter-branch force comprised of units from both the Navy AND Marines (ex: an expeditionary group). 4. I agree, the wings are too long to be a pelican. It looks like a ****sword. Cucci 17:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Speculation

I think Probably Kelly’s story --Climax Viod 19:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Kelly's story would be interesting, but I'm sure that Bungie will incorperate her and the remaining Spartans in Halo 3. From what we know, the first encounters of the Covenant didn't end too well for the humans. I'm sure the Spartans in Halo Wars will meet a tragic end, as mentioned above. In addition, I doubt that Bungie would allow another company to take over the developement of a game based around one of their major characters (going by the books). Most of us were dissapointed when Master Chief didn't appear as the Spartan for Dead of Alive. In his stead was Nicole, who was created so that the events in DoA would have no effect on the Halo Trilogy. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that this could be any of the Spartan II's we know, but they will probably be created as some of the unmentioned Spartan II's from the books.--Culpable Liable

Timeing It could be set anywere in between halo 1 and 32 years before halo 1 and the covenant-human war has been around for 32 years

Factions

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As the game is set to be on or around 2531, the various resistance/rebel groups are likely to be playable sides in the game as well. The Spartans were primarily involved in battling these rebels and insurgencies before the covenant attacked and there is a unified rebel force large and capable enough to be a playable faction.Cucci 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

i speculate that their will be 4 main factions to start, The UNSC, The Covenant, The United Rebel Front, and The Heretics, but as you progress the Rebel faction will become non-playable and than the Covenant Separatists will become available, making the main Covenant non-playable and thrn making the Covenant Loyalists available. making the Covenant Seprestists fight along side the UNSC and the Heretics no-longer playable. with numerous pirate and smaller rebel factions (Eridanus Rebels) that you have to fight along the way and there may even be the flood and forerunners and if the game starts out during the Interplanetary War than there will be the Koslovics and the Frieden factions.

The "confirmed elements" list

Amongst the units in the list, There's is: Covenant Elite (With energy swords) I was thinking we could add Plasma Rifles to that list, becuase frankly, I doubt there's a Ghost shooting down those two marines at the "last known recon position"... 81.229.40.59 07:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that was kind of wierd. I still don't know how the elites were shooting the marines. There hands were empty even when they were close enough for the marines to shoot them. --EliteDeath 21:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

they all had swords. --RimFire 14:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The beam shot was unlike any of the Covenant weapons. It was differently colored, kind of purplish, and larger than the Plasma pistol and rifle. It also killed a Marine in one hit, unlike in the other games where multiple hits had to do it. I dunno. Salty 02:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

it could be a kind of sniper that wasnt used in halo 1 and 2 -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebel anarchist}File:Black sun.jpg 01:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Or it could just be because it is made by a diffrent studio

i doubt that -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebel anarchist}File:Black sun.jpg 01:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It could be a new weapon or the Marine was already about to die (he was wounded) or because it was a trailer (a awesome one at that) it may have been been "Cinematic Exxagiration" or the elites shot the Marine in the Spinal Cord (instant death or Paralyzation) or Ensemble didnt ballance the weapons for the trailer i.e the invisble Energy Sword and the characthers werent balance (the elites didnt have Energy Sheilds.Some,none or all of the reasons above caused the instant pwnage of the marines.Oh one more reason the Elites threw the Energy Sword at the Marines (HIGHLY Unlikey.

Actually, it didn't kill him in one shot it just injured him, then the elite finished him off by stabbing him with his energy sword.--prophit of war 17:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Halogen?

There was a mod for "C&C Generals" called Halogen that was coming out, but Microsoft told them to shut down three years of hard work, saying they were infringing on copyright territory. That was before they officially announced Halo Wars; Halo Wars was announced about a month later. So wouldn't it be logical to assume that the reason Halogen was told to shut down in spite of Halo Wars? --StateoffFreedom 14:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Reference Link (beware, it's biased but it was the only one that had the most information): http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/13/ms-shuts-down-halogen-mod-why-now/

Oh Halogen looks good, this had better be better --Climax Viod 17:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think it was fair to shut down halogen. --EliteDeath 21:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I LOVE BASE BUILDING AND ARMY BUILDING RTS!!!

Its pure business. Why would Mircosoft want an RTS Halo mod out there, for free, just as they are about to release a full game? Answer is: they don't. They would rather flex their legal muscle, ban the game mod under "copyright infringement", then sell their RTS for $100. Basically, Microsoft would rather make maximum profit from HaloWars, and the best way to do that is to ensure that HaloWars will be the only Halo RTS out there. - Chaota 22:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Whatever it is, I'll be so blam!ed off about it if Halo Wars isn't as good as Halogen was looking (twitching)Keyes 07:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that AFTER halo wars is released Microsoft should allow halogen to be released--Swearingmonk 20:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

New Tank/Vehicle??

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New Tank?

On the right hand side of the cannon fodder picture is this. Anyone know what it is?Looks like an old tank.

• I think it looks like the covenant footsoldiers are about to get pwned, but thats just me. But its probably just an older version of the scorpion tank from before halo 1 & 2. --EliteDeath 21:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• It actualy looks like a scorpion tank with it's cannon exploded

• It cannot be a scorpion, if you look at a scorpion tank the wheels that move it do not look that way. Besides it has 2 in each side--Radzon 22:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• It looks more like a modern-day tank. Nothing like the Scorpions at all. Salty 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

• But it couldn't be a modern tank, if this was way before the halo seriesRadzon 02:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• But all of today's tanks are modern tanks, and today is way before the Halo series.

• I think it is a scorpian tank. An older version.Before the ones in Halo 1&2&3.--Spartan 1 1 7 22:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Maybe it's some kind of self propelled artillery? --CommanderGree117 19:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• Actually now that I look at it. Kinda looks like a building. The part that looks like the wheels of a tank I can't explain. But...., If you look above that it does look lika a plat form. And that circular dome thing could be like a roof. Just saying.--Spartan 1 1 7 22:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• yeah it looks like a rilly big artillery now that i think about it -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebel anarchist}File:Black sun.jpg 01:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• it might be the artillery from that halo wars pic i submitted see below --Swearingmonk 19:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• those r scorpions -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebel anarchist}File:Black sun.jpg 01:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• no they r not scorpians the barrels r to big look at the pic next to the duel wielding elite--Swearingmonk 12:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• o yeah they only have 1 track on each side. -File:Also halo.jpgяÏΜFÏяΣ^{the rebel anarchist}File:Black sun.jpg 20:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

looks like that SCORPION just got pwn3d. the turrets come off, and the tread covers are gone too. that's what makes it look different. but i agree, there likely will be other vehicles in the game. like the Stealth Tank that got cut from Halo 1. - user:specops306

I'm just saying this right now because you mentioned the stealth tank, don't you think it would've been cool if it wasn't cut?--prophit of war 17:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah! giving the humans a stealth tank would rock! It would have to be balanced against the Scorpion, but it would still rock! File:HalfJaw03.jpg Kora ‘Morhekee ^{The Battle-Net} _{My Conquests.} 20:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Albatross, new?

How come the drop ship that appear in the trailer (possibly an albatross) does not appear or its mentioned in any other halo game and book?. The only thing i can think of is that it was replaced by other newer version,(the ship that appears in the map Relic from Halo 2).

looks like it —This unsigned comment was made by Anonymous (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Well, having a large cargo dropship is pretty much a necessity for spacecraft wishing to land on a planet and for large scale movement like in a war, so it could be that it is only used on large scale invasions and the like, not for specialist teams of SPARTANS. At any rate the albatross could be used like a mobile building as was speculated at the very bottom of the article to spawn troops like a Galleon in Age of Empires 3.

I agree with you guys.--prophit of war 17:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, even by modern standards the Pelican can't carry very many marines, so there'd have to be larger dropships in the game. File:HalfJaw03.jpg Kora ‘Morhekee ^{The Battle-Net} _{My Conquests.} 20:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Why are the elites so bulky?!?

Why are the Elites so big and bulky like? --Spartan 1 1 7 22:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

They are fat because in the early days of the war the elites didn't use the Jenny Craig or the Atkins diet plans, so the just ate what they want or who they want. They also didn't exercise as much; they were pretty much a bunch a couch potatoes and just watched the holograms all day. sogy

Actually, it looks like it's the armor that's bulky. Perhaps it's tailored for the cold environment of whatever world that is. --Dragonclaws^(talk) 00:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The armor has always been described as bulky, it doesn't look that different to me. -ED 23:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

No, if you look closely it does seem like thier armor is more bulky but it might but it might be for the reason that dragonclaws said that they might be that way becuase of the cold enviroment that they are fighting in and the marines also had something to cover their mouths ans their armor also seemed a little bigger. Or it might be they way their armor were made at that time make a guess.
Radzon 20:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

but the cold enviroment woulnt make sense becuase in halo:CE assualt on the control room, and two betrales there in cold weather so why wouldnt they have bulky armor? Mendoza

SparrowHawk!!!!

Yes! the transmission has fully loaded, revealing...what? the UNSC Sparrow Hawk. Could someone add it? or i'll try myself, but it might be a bit...messy. (EDIT) Oops, someone already did it...sorry for that. -- SpecOps306 19:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Too Many Pictures

So I made them Choose options for a full list look below:

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  Battle that takes place in Halo Wars.

• HW 1280x1024 2.jpg

  Battle on a ridge

• Ilmhalowarstheme1MediaBlade.jpg

  Concept art for the United Nations Space Command forces.

• Marines HALO wars.jpg

  Shot of Marines from the Halo Wars Trailer

• Halo-wars leak.jpg

  Image of Halo Wars

• Elite and marine.jpg

  An Elite and Marine from the trailer]]

• HaloWars2.jpg

  A Covenant Scarab.

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  UNSC Shortswords

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  The Elites as depicted in Halo Wars.]]

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  Concept art for the Elite.]]

Cobra?

Someone keeps adding stuff about a "Cobra." Is there any sources cited for it? --SpecOps306 07:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Right, someone added the Cobra to the page again. I'm deleting it. If whoever put it there is reading this, PLEASE DO NOT PUT IT BACK!!!!! the Cobra was a non-canon vehicle from an unauthorised game concept, and IS NOT CANON!!! SpecOps306 05:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Scarab Gun

What the hell i think they mean the scarab cannon

PUDDING!!!!!!!

HALO: TFOR & HALO WARS

HALO: The Fall Of Reach and Halo Wars are the same thing except ones a bokk and the other is the game. Am I right? The Se7ens Haunt Me

Nope. The Master Chief never fights Covenant on an ice planet like that. Many people have speculated that it's on Harvest. Guesty-Persony-Thingy Early 90's to March 31, 2007. RIP. 19:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

But isn't halo wars when they first meet the "Covenant"

The Se7ens Haunt Me

wrong Harvest was but Harvest was not a Ice Planet how could plants grow there furthermore there was no ground fighting on Harvest and the Spartns didnt have Mjornir by that time

How can plants grow in the North Pole? but we have tropical rainforests at the equator! we've only seena portion of the planet, and we don't even know its Harvest. besides, the UNSC retook the planet under Admiral Cole later, by which time the Spartans would be fully kitted out with MJOLNIR. -- SpecOps306 06:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I knew about the Mjolnir but the first time they met the covenant and what not confused me. Thanx for clearing that up =]. WE STILL GET TO PLAY AS CHIEF RIGHT?!??!The Se7ens Haunt Me

Two important things

1. 1 Why do you have a picture of the Chiefs helmet from Starry Night?? That is for Halo 3, not Halo Wars.

1. 2 Who confirmed that the Omega SPARTANS could not be SPARTAN-III (Or -IV)? We don't know when the cinematic takes place, we just know that part of the game will take place during the first Covenant encounter -- But all of it will take place before Halo 1.

They are probably SPARTAN-IV in MJOLNIR Mk IV armor. Ackerson got the DNA (Halsey found his files in FoR) in order to make adult clones of the SPARTAN-II mass produced for SPARTAN-III, but that was shot down. When he went absent for those 15 or so years prior to 2540, I believe he acted on his initial desires to make SPARTAN clones.

This would explain Maria "starting a family" (coverup for "being a template for clones") and Chiron TL34 "Spartan Clone Training Complex" that was on a Halo in Halo 1 MP.

Arbitor?

Is it just me, or were the elites wearing semi-Arbitor armor? oh, and do you think there will be heros?--NOTreal 15:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources not showing

I don't know if it's just my computer, but the sources at the bottom aren't showing up. -- File:Slizer.png Captain Obvious^{"Thank you, Captain Obvious!"} File:SlizerGalaxy.png 03:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yup, no sources. The Evil O'malley 04:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed some of the images at the bottom and that seemed to fix it. There were also several <option> and <choose> tags that didn't seem to do anything, so I removed those too. -- File:Slizer.png Captain Obvious^{"Thank you, Captain Obvious!"} File:SlizerGalaxy.png 04:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Confused!!

Wait? I don't get. Whats a RTS (I know it stands for Real-Time-Shooter.) But hows the gameplay? Were not playing as the chief. Were controlling the Marines and the Pillar Of Autumn? Please. INTEL!--MYH.Q. File:Halo3.comchief.PNG· ^MYORDERS · _MYBATTLES 14:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure but it is possible that it will be like Star Wars Battlefront 1 & 2(Description of Star Wars Battlefront:You have an army and you control one soldier at a time.You can play in 3rd or 1st person.You are not in formations like in Age of Empires.).That way would be awesome!My friends will S**T THE F*** U* talking about Age of Mythology and all that other real time B*** S***.

Spartan-G007 File:Kpisalasergod2.gif ^{XBL gamertag:SpartanG007}

I have battlefront one and two. There O.K. they could have been much better. But Halo style battle front? Sounds F***ING awesome. Since it is next century gaming. It'll be more real, more intense and even more awesome. Cant wait. But is that really it?--MY Place! File:Halo kicks ass.gif· ^{Feed The MailBox}·_{I did that!} .I HaveFile:Rebel-01-june.gifTwo Sides 18:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Have you played the Age of Empires series? Or the Command and Conquer series? That is likely what it's going to be. the Battlefront-style-Halo would be cool, but controlling hundreds of marines or Grunts and sending them out to kill each other... File:HalfJaw03.jpg Kora ‘Morhekee ^{The Battle-Net} _{My Conquests.} 22:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Rts doesnt stand for real time shooter, it stands for real time strategy.... You control a big army, manage resources, build buildings etc. Its gonna be good. 86.42.81.113 18:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Awe cool. Now I understand. Thanx. Hmm gonna be cool(if done right.)--MY Place! File:Halo kicks ass.gif· ^{Feed The MailBox}·_{I did that!} .I HaveFile:Rebel-01-june.gifTwo Sides 22:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

7/7/07

I posted same topic on the Halo 3 dusscusion page. Because as you might know Bungie loves the number 7 since they have put it in in so many parts of the game. Like, 7 Halos, John-117, and Arbiter is seven letters long. Since the date 7/7/07 is coming maybe Bunjie will do something speacial like give us some super hot info. What you think???--MYH.Q. File:Halo3.comchief.PNG· ^MYORDERS · _MYBATTLES 19:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Cover Box PIC

When are we gonna get the Cover Box pic.? Im eager =P--MYH.Q. File:Halo3.comchief.PNG· ^MYORDERS · _MYBATTLES 22:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

"5 Fingers Instead of 4"

Could someone remove this because after watching the video a number of times the Elite in question does not have five fingers. It has the usual four. I seriously doubt the creators of the video would make such an obvious anatomical mistake with a well known enemy type within the Halo universe.

Removed A Monument to All Your Sins 21:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Gameplay?

Are you gonna control a single soldier and command the others with something like a Cross-Comm in GRAW, or are you gonna control everything at once?I'm confused.=(Spartytime^Talk 14:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

you are gonna be controling everthing on your side like marines,tanks and also managing resources like any other RTS, so ya you are gonna control everything at once. Mendoza 7:10, 15 july

But will you control a single soldier like in Halo and Halo 2 and then command everything else? The basic question is, if I wanna shoot a 6 round burst to a wall, will a press a trigger? Or will it be like Full Spectrum Warrior?=(Spartytime^Talk 13:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Flood!?!?!?

THE FLOOD!?!?!?!? Isn't that impossible!?!? --File:Final Goji.jpg Lordofmonsterisland "Roar to me" 17:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The Flood won't be there, they weren't discovered by humans till 2552.Spartytime^Talk 13:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)