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==Mystery Armor== | ==Mystery Armor== | ||
[[ | [[File:S117orig.JPG|thumb|John's armour in the concept of Halo: Combat Evolved]] | ||
Where did you get that?--[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 20:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | Where did you get that?--[[User:UNSC AI|UNSC AI]] 20:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
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How come people like, let's say a [[Marine]], how come they don't wear MJOLNIR Armor?--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 14:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC) | How come people like, let's say a [[Marine]], how come they don't wear MJOLNIR Armor?--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 14:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
*OK, I got my answer [[SPARTAN-II#MJOLNIR Armor|here]]. But this arises a new question; What was the reason regular humans died from wearing the armor? I don't see how.--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 21:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC) | *OK, I got my answer [[SPARTAN-II#MJOLNIR Armor|here]]. But this arises a new question; What was the reason regular humans died from wearing the armor? I don't see how.--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 21:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
::The reason they died was because the suit's mechanics amplifies the wearers reflexes...a LOT(10fold, 100fold???) and the movements are so fast that normal human bones that have not been reinforced cannot move that fast and wind up tearing/breaking limbs just from sheer velocity. If you read Halo:The Fall of Reach, you'll read somewhere that a marine tried wearing the suit, but the reflexes were so fast that he spasmed and broke his own back.(lovely=)...yeah...Peace. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I</font><font color=Gold>'</font><font color=Orange>m</font><font color=DarkOrange> O</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=Tomato">n</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=OrangeRed"> F</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=Red">i</font><font color=Crimson>r</font><font color=FireBrick>e</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=DarkRed">!</font>]]''' [[ | ::The reason they died was because the suit's mechanics amplifies the wearers reflexes...a LOT(10fold, 100fold???) and the movements are so fast that normal human bones that have not been reinforced cannot move that fast and wind up tearing/breaking limbs just from sheer velocity. If you read Halo:The Fall of Reach, you'll read somewhere that a marine tried wearing the suit, but the reflexes were so fast that he spasmed and broke his own back.(lovely=)...yeah...Peace. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I</font><font color=Gold>'</font><font color=Orange>m</font><font color=DarkOrange> O</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=Tomato">n</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=OrangeRed"> F</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=Red">i</font><font color=Crimson>r</font><font color=FireBrick>e</font><font <span _rte_entity=> color=DarkRed">!</font>]]''' [[File:Unfreakinbelievable-2.jpg|30px]]<sup>''[[user talk:James-001|<font color=Red>FeedTheFlame</font>]]''</sup><sub>''[[Special:Contributions/James-001|<font color=Gainsboro>Wa</font><font color=LightGrey>tc</font><font color=Silver>hM</font><font color=DarkGray>yS</font><font color=Gray>mo</font><font color=DimGray>ke</font>]]''</sub> 00:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
It looks like a plain armor to me, it doesn't looks like half a ton.� ![[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 01:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | It looks like a plain armor to me, it doesn't looks like half a ton.� ![[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 01:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Even though the MJOLNIR system can be modified, the only parts of the armor that we have seen being modified are the helmet, shoulders, and chest plates. The TCP armor is entirely different from the Halo Wars version; everything from the Helmet down to the waist is different, and the waist armor itself is much thicker and closer in appearance to the MK V and MK VI, not the Halo Wars one with its thin waist armor. Since the TCP image came from Bungie, it would be safe to say that their image trumps that of Halo Wars, which is portrayed incorrectly because Ensemble was unwilling to show the MK IV and other aspects of Halo correctly. --[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 04:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC) | Even though the MJOLNIR system can be modified, the only parts of the armor that we have seen being modified are the helmet, shoulders, and chest plates. The TCP armor is entirely different from the Halo Wars version; everything from the Helmet down to the waist is different, and the waist armor itself is much thicker and closer in appearance to the MK V and MK VI, not the Halo Wars one with its thin waist armor. Since the TCP image came from Bungie, it would be safe to say that their image trumps that of Halo Wars, which is portrayed incorrectly because Ensemble was unwilling to show the MK IV and other aspects of Halo correctly. --[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 04:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
Kinda but remember that Fall of Reach technicly shows the Mark.IV on the front.Which looks like the Mark.V,which the Halo Wars version looks like.So case closed we have no CANON SOURCE![[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[ | Kinda but remember that Fall of Reach technicly shows the Mark.IV on the front.Which looks like the Mark.V,which the Halo Wars version looks like.So case closed we have no CANON SOURCE![[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Red Team.jpg|100px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 04:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
What? No that is incorrect, the armor on the cover of Fall of Reach is the MJOLNIR Mark V. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 07:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC) | What? No that is incorrect, the armor on the cover of Fall of Reach is the MJOLNIR Mark V. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 07:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Perhaps Mark V was essentially the same in appearance as Mark IV other than the fact that Mark V is a bit bulkier due to the larger fusion pack. It is said in the article itself that other than some minor technical improvements, there were only 2 major additions: the shielding and an upgrade to allow an AI to inhabit the armor, neither of which would make a real difference in appearance (Though shielding would require the larger fusion pack I previously mentioned). Maybe people are taking the differences in appearance between Mark V and Mark VI as an example for what MJOLNIR armor upgrades would always be: A huge improvement, but Mark V wasn't that big of an improvement from Mark IV. One last note: did anyone consider that the shielding on the Mark IV armor in Halo wars was put in for gaming purposes? [[User talk:Krono 'Zulamee|Krono 'Zulamee]] 02:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC) | Perhaps Mark V was essentially the same in appearance as Mark IV other than the fact that Mark V is a bit bulkier due to the larger fusion pack. It is said in the article itself that other than some minor technical improvements, there were only 2 major additions: the shielding and an upgrade to allow an AI to inhabit the armor, neither of which would make a real difference in appearance (Though shielding would require the larger fusion pack I previously mentioned). Maybe people are taking the differences in appearance between Mark V and Mark VI as an example for what MJOLNIR armor upgrades would always be: A huge improvement, but Mark V wasn't that big of an improvement from Mark IV. One last note: did anyone consider that the shielding on the Mark IV armor in Halo wars was put in for gaming purposes? [[User talk:Krono 'Zulamee|Krono 'Zulamee]] 02:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
*Me.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[ | *Me.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Red Team.jpg|50px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 03:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
Someone look at the cover, if they have glowing parts, then its Reach, if not, then it's pre-Reach, ta-da.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 01:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC) | Someone look at the cover, if they have glowing parts, then its Reach, if not, then it's pre-Reach, ta-da.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 01:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Does that seem odd to anyone?[[User talk:Doylej0131|Doylej0131]] 15:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | Does that seem odd to anyone?[[User talk:Doylej0131|Doylej0131]] 15:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
*Yes it does.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[ | *Yes it does.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Red Team.jpg|50px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 15:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Mark IV== | ==Mark IV== | ||
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Because Ensemble didn't have a clue about anything remotely related to Halo. The game was terrible, it was more like bad fan fiction then anything that would remotely fit within existing canon. As for the armor as far as you should be concern, it didn't have shields, period. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 16:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC) | Because Ensemble didn't have a clue about anything remotely related to Halo. The game was terrible, it was more like bad fan fiction then anything that would remotely fit within existing canon. As for the armor as far as you should be concern, it didn't have shields, period. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 16:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
*It was for gameplay,how many times have we said this?As for the canon it's called looking at it from a different angle and retcons.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[ | *It was for gameplay,how many times have we said this?As for the canon it's called looking at it from a different angle and retcons.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Red Team.jpg|50px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 21:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
Except "looking at it from a different angle" shouldn't twist the existing story to the point that logic, consistency, and integrity are thrown to the wayside. And applying retcons unnecessarily for the sake of doing so is idiotic and simply unprofessional. If so much is being retconned, then what is the point of having any kind of coherent canon? | Except "looking at it from a different angle" shouldn't twist the existing story to the point that logic, consistency, and integrity are thrown to the wayside. And applying retcons unnecessarily for the sake of doing so is idiotic and simply unprofessional. If so much is being retconned, then what is the point of having any kind of coherent canon? | ||
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::...What? Slow down, type again.<div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div>20:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC) | ::...What? Slow down, type again.<div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div>20:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::...What? How'd you miss what he said,it's obvious.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[ | :::...What? How'd you miss what he said,it's obvious.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Red Team.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 20:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
Your rationale is flawed. The Spartans on the cover of Fall of Reach are wearing Mark V - its meant to depict the Battle of Reach, during which the Spartans had already acquired their Mark V suits. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | Your rationale is flawed. The Spartans on the cover of Fall of Reach are wearing Mark V - its meant to depict the Battle of Reach, during which the Spartans had already acquired their Mark V suits. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:#Even if there was a right place to ask Bungie, they would likely not have the time to give a detailed response. | :#Even if there was a right place to ask Bungie, they would likely not have the time to give a detailed response. | ||
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:<span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[ | :<span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.png|16px]][[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 05:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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you may consider this stupid, but ive noticed that halo is the only thing to have unconfirmed canon like the mark IV. so it is possible that bungie did this so players could imagine up there own canon explanation for the errors. in my opinion, it is interisting to make up your own bits of canon instead of having straight answers for everything. my explanation for this is HW is standard armor and TCP is special armor for their missions--[[User talk:Skatertobes|Skatertobes]] 08:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC) | you may consider this stupid, but ive noticed that halo is the only thing to have unconfirmed canon like the mark IV. so it is possible that bungie did this so players could imagine up there own canon explanation for the errors. in my opinion, it is interisting to make up your own bits of canon instead of having straight answers for everything. my explanation for this is HW is standard armor and TCP is special armor for their missions--[[User talk:Skatertobes|Skatertobes]] 08:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, if players are creating it, it's not "canon". I should hope you know the distinction between "canon" and "fanon", seeing as you chose to name this discussion "fanon". <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[ | :Yeah, if players are creating it, it's not "canon". I should hope you know the distinction between "canon" and "fanon", seeing as you chose to name this discussion "fanon". <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]][[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 02:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
== confirmation == | == confirmation == | ||
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#{{Support}}Sure why not.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 17:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | #{{Support}}Sure why not.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 17:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
#{{Support}} - This makes a ton of sense. Something I've wanted changed for years.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 22:29, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | #{{Support}} - This makes a ton of sense. Something I've wanted changed for years.--[[User talk:Nerfherder1428|Nerfherder1428]] 22:29, September 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
#{{Support}} There is sufficient variation between models to justify multiple articles. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[ | #{{Support}} There is sufficient variation between models to justify multiple articles. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]][[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:31, September 21, 2009 (UTC) | ||
#{{Support}} - -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 09:41, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | #{{Support}} - -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 09:41, September 27, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Permission to delete? [[User talk:Tikalal|Tikalal]] 00:58, September 9, 2009 (UTC) | Permission to delete? [[User talk:Tikalal|Tikalal]] 00:58, September 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:If the suit locks in place while one of his muscles is already tensed, then it wouldn't have room to un-tense, right? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[ | :If the suit locks in place while one of his muscles is already tensed, then it wouldn't have room to un-tense, right? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]][[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:04, September 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
But, the MC has been trained since six, so he could(possibly) relax his muscles on demand. So, the lock down mode can save more than it could hurt, like an airbag, most people are safe, some get their thumbs blown off or it fails to deploy. Muscle relaxing would be(for the sake of the metaphor) like putting your seat as far back as possible to minimize potential injury.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 19:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC) | But, the MC has been trained since six, so he could(possibly) relax his muscles on demand. So, the lock down mode can save more than it could hurt, like an airbag, most people are safe, some get their thumbs blown off or it fails to deploy. Muscle relaxing would be(for the sake of the metaphor) like putting your seat as far back as possible to minimize potential injury.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 19:58, September 30, 2009 (UTC) | ||