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Are "associated intelligence" and artificial intelligence truly interchangeable terms? To me it seems more likely that an associated intelligence is a type of AI, specifically, a more powerful, actually intelligent construct as opposed to the kind the Covenant use. It's doubtful they'd lift their ban on associated intelligences between 2524 and 2552 given their dogmatic ways; it seems more likely they always used "dumb" AIs such as this one, while "associated intelligences", actually sentient AIs such as humanity's smart AIs and the Forerunners' Mendicant Bias, were banned. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:45, 16 November 2011 (EST) | Are "associated intelligence" and artificial intelligence truly interchangeable terms? To me it seems more likely that an associated intelligence is a type of AI, specifically, a more powerful, actually intelligent construct as opposed to the kind the Covenant use. It's doubtful they'd lift their ban on associated intelligences between 2524 and 2552 given their dogmatic ways; it seems more likely they always used "dumb" AIs such as this one, while "associated intelligences", actually sentient AIs such as humanity's smart AIs and the Forerunners' Mendicant Bias, were banned. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:45, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
Well [[Halo: Glasslands]] states that Covenant AI have only one specific purpose on a ship, i.e. navigation, like a human dumb A.I. so I think they could be interchangeable. | Well [[Halo: Glasslands]] states that Covenant AI have only one specific purpose on a ship, i.e. navigation, like a human dumb A.I. so I think they could be interchangeable. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 13:30, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
:I was operating under the impression that an "associated intelligence" was simply a Covenant term equivalent precisely to "artificial intelligence". I suppose I was remembering an out-of-date revision of the AI article ;) -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST) | :I was operating under the impression that an "associated intelligence" was simply a Covenant term equivalent precisely to "artificial intelligence". I suppose I was remembering an out-of-date revision of the AI article ;) -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
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::Same here. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ::Same here. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
:::I have no problems with that, though I feel I should note that it ''was'' called that before; I moved it because of the format used by the Ascendant Justice AI. | :::I have no problems with that, though I feel I should note that it ''was'' called that before; I moved it because of the format used by the Ascendant Justice AI.- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
==Possible Rampancy== | ==Possible Rampancy== | ||
I know very little about AI terminology but, this AI seems to be in an early stage of rampancy to me. It seems to want the Covenant to be wiped out by the Flood, so it can "be free". This could be normal Covenant AI behavior or something else. | I know very little about AI terminology but, this AI seems to be in an early stage of rampancy to me. It seems to want the Covenant to be wiped out by the Flood, so it can "be free". This could be normal Covenant AI behavior or something else. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 13:36, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
:''Ascendant Justice''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s AI was also programmed to "think" in terms of the Covenant's religious dogma, so this may be standard behavior for Covenant AIs. On the other hand, said AI was highly unstable, as it was a copy of a copy of a copy that had been reverse-engineered from a human AI. It is indeed possible that both of these constructs, being inferior, reverse-engineered copies, were rampant. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST) | :''Ascendant Justice''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s AI was also programmed to "think" in terms of the Covenant's religious dogma, so this may be standard behavior for Covenant AIs. On the other hand, said AI was highly unstable, as it was a copy of a copy of a copy that had been reverse-engineered from a human AI. It is indeed possible that both of these constructs, being inferior, reverse-engineered copies, were rampant. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
::I wouldn't call it rampancy; the cases of rampancy we have encountered involve smart AIs being active for over seven years (Per Cortana's statements) or one that has been fragmented by a malfunction (Melissa, as opposed to Cortana under Halsey's AI-fragmentation research) - it is attainable in one way or another. I'd say that this AI was naturally corrupt due to bad designing on the part of engineers incapable of making engineering breakthroughs on their own (and thus learning what they can from captured artefacts).-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ::I wouldn't call it rampancy; the cases of rampancy we have encountered involve smart AIs being active for over seven years (Per Cortana's statements) or one that has been fragmented by a malfunction (Melissa, as opposed to Cortana under Halsey's AI-fragmentation research) - it is attainable in one way or another. I'd say that this AI was naturally corrupt due to bad designing on the part of engineers incapable of making engineering breakthroughs on their own (and thus learning what they can from captured artefacts).-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST) | ||
==Connection to 049 Abject Testament== | |||
I believe that Fred Tatasciore voiced the Covenant AI and 049 Abject Testament in the Anniversary Terminals. If that's true, is it possible that those two characters are linked? While this Covenant AI is awfully vague, I get the sense that some deeper part of him recognizes 343 Guilty Spark as more than just "Oracle." --[[User talk:CaptainRaspberry|CaptainRaspberry]] 15:49, 19 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:That's doubtful. The Covenant hadn't found any previous Halos before so they likely never would have encountered him. Also, actors voicing multiple characters in the same game is done all the time for budget. Just with Cortana and the Bumblebee pilot, or Sergeant Reynolds and Buck. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 16:34, 19 November 2011 (EST) | |||
== Halo: The Flood == | |||
Isn't the AI of the Truth and Reconciliation mentioned somewhere in ''Halo: The Flood''. I recall there being a part in one of the early chapters in which there is a discussion with a lower Prophet and an AI some point before or after the decapitation of a Sangheili but I don't recall his name. The AI did not have a name in the novel either. Could someone help verify this? --[[User talk:Radical Edward2|RadicalEdward2]] 14:24, 28 November 2011 (EST) | |||
== Connection to Mendicant Bias? == | |||
I remember reading somewhere that the Covenant simply back-engineer forerunner and assimilated technology. The fragment of Mendicant Bias left on the Keyship in High Charity could have served as a template for all Covenant AI's. It could be the reason why this AI seems jumbled, as Cortana demonstrated the Covenant copy program caused issues within the copies. Could this be a copy of the Mendicant Bias fragment from the Keyship? Does that also mean that all other Covenant AI's are of similar origin? It seems this AI and 343 Guilty Spark are somehow connected. Else why show this cutscene? Analysis Continues... | |||
[[User talk:Tmckenney|Tmckenney]] 02:52, 24 April 2012 (EDT) |
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Associated intelligence[edit]
Are "associated intelligence" and artificial intelligence truly interchangeable terms? To me it seems more likely that an associated intelligence is a type of AI, specifically, a more powerful, actually intelligent construct as opposed to the kind the Covenant use. It's doubtful they'd lift their ban on associated intelligences between 2524 and 2552 given their dogmatic ways; it seems more likely they always used "dumb" AIs such as this one, while "associated intelligences", actually sentient AIs such as humanity's smart AIs and the Forerunners' Mendicant Bias, were banned. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:45, 16 November 2011 (EST)
Well Halo: Glasslands states that Covenant AI have only one specific purpose on a ship, i.e. navigation, like a human dumb A.I. so I think they could be interchangeable. Col. Snipes450 13:30, 16 November 2011 (EST)
- I was operating under the impression that an "associated intelligence" was simply a Covenant term equivalent precisely to "artificial intelligence". I suppose I was remembering an out-of-date revision of the AI article ;) -- Forerunner 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST)
Title[edit]
Couldn't we just call this "Truth and Reconciliation's AI" and do the same with Ascendant Justice's AI? The current stylization is just unnecessary clutter, and besides, we already use the "[Subject]'s [something]" format quite a lot. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:45, 16 November 2011 (EST)
- I agee. TheGutsyChipmunk 04:32, 16 November 2011 (EST)
- Same here. --Courage never dies. 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST)
Possible Rampancy[edit]
I know very little about AI terminology but, this AI seems to be in an early stage of rampancy to me. It seems to want the Covenant to be wiped out by the Flood, so it can "be free". This could be normal Covenant AI behavior or something else. Col. Snipes450 13:36, 16 November 2011 (EST)
- Ascendant Justice's AI was also programmed to "think" in terms of the Covenant's religious dogma, so this may be standard behavior for Covenant AIs. On the other hand, said AI was highly unstable, as it was a copy of a copy of a copy that had been reverse-engineered from a human AI. It is indeed possible that both of these constructs, being inferior, reverse-engineered copies, were rampant. --Courage never dies. 17:33, 16 November 2011 (EST)
- I wouldn't call it rampancy; the cases of rampancy we have encountered involve smart AIs being active for over seven years (Per Cortana's statements) or one that has been fragmented by a malfunction (Melissa, as opposed to Cortana under Halsey's AI-fragmentation research) - it is attainable in one way or another. I'd say that this AI was naturally corrupt due to bad designing on the part of engineers incapable of making engineering breakthroughs on their own (and thus learning what they can from captured artefacts).-- Forerunner 18:32, 16 November 2011 (EST)
Connection to 049 Abject Testament[edit]
I believe that Fred Tatasciore voiced the Covenant AI and 049 Abject Testament in the Anniversary Terminals. If that's true, is it possible that those two characters are linked? While this Covenant AI is awfully vague, I get the sense that some deeper part of him recognizes 343 Guilty Spark as more than just "Oracle." --CaptainRaspberry 15:49, 19 November 2011 (EST)
- That's doubtful. The Covenant hadn't found any previous Halos before so they likely never would have encountered him. Also, actors voicing multiple characters in the same game is done all the time for budget. Just with Cortana and the Bumblebee pilot, or Sergeant Reynolds and Buck. Tuckerscreator(stalk) 16:34, 19 November 2011 (EST)
Halo: The Flood[edit]
Isn't the AI of the Truth and Reconciliation mentioned somewhere in Halo: The Flood. I recall there being a part in one of the early chapters in which there is a discussion with a lower Prophet and an AI some point before or after the decapitation of a Sangheili but I don't recall his name. The AI did not have a name in the novel either. Could someone help verify this? --RadicalEdward2 14:24, 28 November 2011 (EST)
Connection to Mendicant Bias?[edit]
I remember reading somewhere that the Covenant simply back-engineer forerunner and assimilated technology. The fragment of Mendicant Bias left on the Keyship in High Charity could have served as a template for all Covenant AI's. It could be the reason why this AI seems jumbled, as Cortana demonstrated the Covenant copy program caused issues within the copies. Could this be a copy of the Mendicant Bias fragment from the Keyship? Does that also mean that all other Covenant AI's are of similar origin? It seems this AI and 343 Guilty Spark are somehow connected. Else why show this cutscene? Analysis Continues...
Tmckenney 02:52, 24 April 2012 (EDT)