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==Rename==
==Rename==
Since the ships are technically ''Prowler''-class Corvettes, should the article be renamed as such? --'''[[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 06:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the ships are technically ''Prowler''-class Corvettes, should the article be renamed as such? --'''UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 06:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


==Active Camouflage==
==Active Camouflage==
Do they actually have active camouflage? I thought that would be the Covenants during the Great War? Or did they convert it to become theirs just as they did with the MJOLNIR armour? 08:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Do they actually have active camouflage? I thought that would be the Covenants during the Great War? Or did they convert it to become theirs just as they did with the MJOLNIR armour? 08:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


:No, Prowlers use photoreactive panels. Covenant systems use a completely different and far more effective system. --'''[[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 04:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:No, Prowlers use photoreactive panels. Covenant systems use a completely different and far more effective system. --'''UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 04:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


== UNSC Prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis? ==
== UNSC Prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis? ==
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They might be a unsc prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis which is the UNSC Last Gleaming and it looks like a Stealth design so it might be one.
They might be a unsc prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis which is the UNSC Last Gleaming and it looks like a Stealth design so it might be one.


:How do we know what a "stealth" design looks like? Its designed for stealth, so it wouldn't be designed to "look" like anything other than space. From all we can see, its just an angular wedge-shaped ship. Neither is that ship confirmed to even by the ''Last Gleaming''. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 09:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:How do we know what a "stealth" design looks like? Its designed for stealth, so it wouldn't be designed to "look" like anything other than space. From all we can see, its just an angular wedge-shaped ship. Neither is that ship confirmed to even by the ''Last Gleaming''. --<b>CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]]UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a</font>]] [[halofanon:Operation:_HOT_GATES|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]</i></b> 09:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


There is a prowler jumping out of slipspace on page 9, in fact on the same page Cole states two panels later "I don't trust a ''prowler'' commander-too slick." I'll upload it shortly. - [[User talk:Lord Hyren|Lord Hyren]] 02:45, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
There is a prowler jumping out of slipspace on page 9, in fact on the same page Cole states two panels later "I don't trust a ''prowler'' commander-too slick." I'll upload it shortly. - [[User talk:Lord Hyren|Lord Hyren]] 02:45, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
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I've noticed a few times now that the ''Wink of an Eye'' is assumed to have an experimental active camo system, but it wasn't the only prowler with a cloaking device identified as "active camouflage". The cloak of the UNSC ''Dusk'' is also called active camouflage on page 291 of ''Ghosts of Onyx''. Furthermore, "[[Wikipedia:Active camouflage|active camouflage]]" doesn't necessarily refer to the Covenant technology only. The UNSC's [[Camouflage cloak|attempts]] at [[Photoreactive panel|active camouflage]] are more crude, but the term applies to them nonetheless. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:50, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
I've noticed a few times now that the ''Wink of an Eye'' is assumed to have an experimental active camo system, but it wasn't the only prowler with a cloaking device identified as "active camouflage". The cloak of the UNSC ''Dusk'' is also called active camouflage on page 291 of ''Ghosts of Onyx''. Furthermore, "[[Wikipedia:Active camouflage|active camouflage]]" doesn't necessarily refer to the Covenant technology only. The UNSC's [[Camouflage cloak|attempts]] at [[Photoreactive panel|active camouflage]] are more crude, but the term applies to them nonetheless. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:50, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
== Length ==
162 meters can't be right. Compared to the Pelican it launches, it needs to be about twice that size.
== Post war camouflage  ==
The unsc Aladdin seems to have a similar camo system as the ONI-PRO one but it does not decloak with a bubble(or cloak for that matter).  Halo 4 The Essential Visual guide says that thanks to stealing of covenant technology that the post wars prowlers have got much more efficient camoflague.  I am confused was the ONI-PRO version purely human technology with no outside infulence while the post war stuff is based on active camouflage systems of the covenant because the covenant dont cloak with bubbles shields where as thats more Human technology becuase the bubble shields are human technology as you saw them well established by 2544.  Its not hard to think that the unsc would have been doing some of their own experimentation with their own technology without having to go to covenant sources.  just my theory [[User:Spartan Matt|Spartan Matt]] ([[User talk:Spartan Matt|talk]]) 23:42, 22 October 2013 (EDT)
:When it says "prior to the war" it's referring to prowlers around before contact with the Covenant in 2525. Prowlers would have had stealth systems to help prevent detection but not the type of true invisibility afforded by Covenant systems. Whether it's the bubble or just the active camo 'skin' seen in Spartan Ops, that's much better than what prowlers utilized before when Insurrectionists were the main 'bad guys'. I wouldn't equate the term "active camouflage" with "invisibility" necessarily. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 06:49, 23 October 2013 (EDT)
== Pulse Lasers on Prowlers ==
There is a pulse laser type weapon used by prowler circumference in 2531 which isnt mentioned what type it is.  I wonder what the class of circumference is and the type it is.  Pulse lasers were also used I think on oni prowler in the package.  As I am terrible at writing encyclipedia type articles or sentences I am just wondering if someone wants to add this information to the prowler page and even to the pulse laser turret section {{Unsigned|Spartan Matt}}
:The weapon you refer to is the [[XEV9-Matos nonlinear pulse cannon]]. It is not a pulse laser turret. This has been clarified several times.[[User:BaconShelf|<span style="color:green;">BaconShelf</span>]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User:BaconShelf|talk]])</span> 04:24, August 26, 2022 (EDT)
Yes I am well aware of that.  But on page 50 of the ghost of onyx it's says that the circumference used a pulse laser to destroy a communication satellite.  That must be some kind of unidentified pulse laser weapon and it was in the year 2531

Latest revision as of 06:33, August 28, 2022

Rename[edit]

Since the ships are technically Prowler-class Corvettes, should the article be renamed as such? --UserWiki:Specops306|Specops306]], Kora 'Morhek 06:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Active Camouflage[edit]

Do they actually have active camouflage? I thought that would be the Covenants during the Great War? Or did they convert it to become theirs just as they did with the MJOLNIR armour? 08:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, Prowlers use photoreactive panels. Covenant systems use a completely different and far more effective system. --UserWiki:Specops306|Specops306]], Kora 'Morhek 04:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

UNSC Prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis?[edit]

They might be a unsc prowler in Halo Wars: Genesis which is the UNSC Last Gleaming and it looks like a Stealth design so it might be one.

How do we know what a "stealth" design looks like? Its designed for stealth, so it wouldn't be designed to "look" like anything other than space. From all we can see, its just an angular wedge-shaped ship. Neither is that ship confirmed to even by the Last Gleaming. --CoH|Councillor]] SpecopsUserWiki:Specops306|306]] - Qur'a 'Morhek 09:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a prowler jumping out of slipspace on page 9, in fact on the same page Cole states two panels later "I don't trust a prowler commander-too slick." I'll upload it shortly. - Lord Hyren 02:45, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

The "Prowler" in the Package actually a Stealth Cruiser?[edit]

It's my belief that the UNSC ship in the Package is not a prowler but in fact a Stealth Cruiser.

The reason being that in Cole Protocol Grey Team are able to pilot a Prowler, indicating that it is a relatively small ship that can be manned by a small crew. This is enforced by the fact that it is a stealth ship and thus would be used for recon mainly it would be impractical that a stealth recon ship would be the size of the ship in the Package, given that the Package ship has a hanger bay and decloacks before releasing the spartans one would assume that it has sufficient weaponary to combat potential threats, something that a Prowler lacks yet a Stealth Cruiser doesn't.

I'd say "Prowler" is a catch-all term for any spacecraft with stealth capabilities, whether originally designed for the role or converted from something else. The ships Grey Team piloted were simply converted freighters with rudimentary weapons grafted on and an outer layer of stealth systems for camouflage. The UNSC Dusk required a standard crew of ninety, and a skeleton crew of forty three. -- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek 08:13, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
It's not a Prowler.SPARTAN-177 19:13, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
The plot thickens...-- Administrator Specops306 - Qur'a 'Morhek 23:37, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Last Gleaming?[edit]

Is the Last Gleaming a prowler too? it resembles the picture on this page and it fits the general description of a prowler.- FatalSnipe117 19:06, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Image[edit]

No offense to the uploader, but that is the "@?!$"iest resolution.(7alk) 03:04, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

That's because the image is about 0.5" by 0.5" in actual size. No offense, but you do better in getting the ink dots visible at that level to become one continuous image. -- Lord Hyren 03:07, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
It's that small? Ugh... can't you enhance the image by any chance? It is just dreadful to see such small and low-res image.(7alk) 03:08, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately I'm not that skilled in image editing, but it's certainly better than no image at all. That is, unless there's a consensus about Last Gleaming being a prowler. -- Lord Hyren 03:11, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Wink of an Eye and "experimental" active camo[edit]

Regarding the question of whether the visual cloaking system on prowlers can be referred to as "active camouflage", I thought I'd bring up a couple of points.

I've noticed a few times now that the Wink of an Eye is assumed to have an experimental active camo system, but it wasn't the only prowler with a cloaking device identified as "active camouflage". The cloak of the UNSC Dusk is also called active camouflage on page 291 of Ghosts of Onyx. Furthermore, "active camouflage" doesn't necessarily refer to the Covenant technology only. The UNSC's attempts at active camouflage are more crude, but the term applies to them nonetheless. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:50, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Length[edit]

162 meters can't be right. Compared to the Pelican it launches, it needs to be about twice that size.

Post war camouflage[edit]

The unsc Aladdin seems to have a similar camo system as the ONI-PRO one but it does not decloak with a bubble(or cloak for that matter). Halo 4 The Essential Visual guide says that thanks to stealing of covenant technology that the post wars prowlers have got much more efficient camoflague. I am confused was the ONI-PRO version purely human technology with no outside infulence while the post war stuff is based on active camouflage systems of the covenant because the covenant dont cloak with bubbles shields where as thats more Human technology becuase the bubble shields are human technology as you saw them well established by 2544. Its not hard to think that the unsc would have been doing some of their own experimentation with their own technology without having to go to covenant sources. just my theory Spartan Matt (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2013 (EDT)

When it says "prior to the war" it's referring to prowlers around before contact with the Covenant in 2525. Prowlers would have had stealth systems to help prevent detection but not the type of true invisibility afforded by Covenant systems. Whether it's the bubble or just the active camo 'skin' seen in Spartan Ops, that's much better than what prowlers utilized before when Insurrectionists were the main 'bad guys'. I wouldn't equate the term "active camouflage" with "invisibility" necessarily. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 06:49, 23 October 2013 (EDT)

Pulse Lasers on Prowlers[edit]

There is a pulse laser type weapon used by prowler circumference in 2531 which isnt mentioned what type it is. I wonder what the class of circumference is and the type it is. Pulse lasers were also used I think on oni prowler in the package. As I am terrible at writing encyclipedia type articles or sentences I am just wondering if someone wants to add this information to the prowler page and even to the pulse laser turret section —This unsigned comment was made by Spartan Matt (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

The weapon you refer to is the XEV9-Matos nonlinear pulse cannon. It is not a pulse laser turret. This has been clarified several times.BaconShelf (talk) 04:24, August 26, 2022 (EDT)

Yes I am well aware of that. But on page 50 of the ghost of onyx it's says that the circumference used a pulse laser to destroy a communication satellite. That must be some kind of unidentified pulse laser weapon and it was in the year 2531