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==SPARTAN Merge== | |||
I think we should merge this page with the SPARTAN page. | |||
{{Support}} I think we hsould merge this page with the SPARTAN page because they are the same thing. Similar how we have Master Chief redirect to SPARTAN-117. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 23:11, 28 July 2011 (EDT)!!!!!! | |||
#{{Support}} - This article features little noteworthy content, and it is written almost entirely out-of-universe to boot. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:14, 28 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
<s>#{{Support}} - Why do we have this page anyway?--[[User:Halofan1234|ハローファン]] ([[User talk:Halofan1234|H1234-NET]]) 23:19, 28 July 2011 (EDT)</s> | |||
#{{Neutral}} - The article relates to the Covenant religion and their belief that there are those who seek to prevent the Great Journey. If we do anything, I think we should re-write it and merge with "[[Covenant religion]]" and provide mention that the Covenant also treats ODSTs in a similar, albeit less serious, manner.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 07:23, 29 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
#{{Neutral}} - As per Forerunner, it's far better to merge it with the aforementioned article. There's already a section dedicated to the term, to add on.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:06, 29 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
#{{Neutral}} - I would have to agree with Subtank and Forerunner, merging with [[Covenant religion]] would make more sense.--[[User:Halofan1234|ハローファン]] ([[User talk:Halofan1234|H1234-NET]]) 11:36, 29 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
==Rename== | ==Rename== | ||
There are two demons, the title and the achivement. I made the disambig page for both of those, but this one needs to be renamed for it to work. [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 22:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | There are two demons, the title and the achivement. I made the disambig page for both of those, but this one needs to be renamed for it to work. [[User:Spartan 107|Spartan 107]] 22:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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When I was playing The Arbiter, I chucked a plasma grenade and I distinctly heard a grunt saying "Demon Flare!" Is it something to do with the programmed response to grenades? | When I was playing The Arbiter, I chucked a plasma grenade and I distinctly heard a grunt saying "Demon Flare!" Is it something to do with the programmed response to grenades? | ||
==Halo: The Cole Protocol on why the Covenant calls Spartans 'Demons'== | |||
I was just rereading The Cole Protocol, and I hit on something very interesting: when Thel 'Vadam is fighting Jai-006- thus, the first time he's ever HEARD of a Spartan, there's an indication he may have coined the term 'Demon' as it's used as an equivalent for Spartans, and at the very least TCP flat-out states the gist of the meaning behind the Covenant calling the Spartans 'Demons': | |||
'What creature did not choose to show its face that wasn't a soulless and dead one? Thel roared again. "Demon! Heretic! Unholy alien!"' | |||
-Halo: The Cole Protocol, page 275 | |||
So, there you have it: the Covenant calls Spartans 'Demons' because of their faceless visored visages. About as explicit as we've gotten on the meaning of the term to date. Sort of makes the multiple paragraphs of speculation on its meaning- which ends up being the bulk of the article if you think about it- a bit useless now. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 18:30, September 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Still, that statement from TCP doesn't really make a whole lot of sense considering how most of the Sangheili helmets actually cover their entire faces. Which means Thel was either being extremely hypocritical, or he thinks only Sangheili are allowed to not show their faces while every other species isn't. I'm still pretty sure the term "demon" comes from the Spartans' battle prowess and their kill count. The visor probably has something to do with it, but I'd hardly think it's the sole reason for the term. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 19:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Ah. A very valid point. I guess this will have to be worked in as at best a contributing origin, then. [[User talk:Dewback rancher|Dewback rancher]] 20:29, September 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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SPARTAN Merge[edit]
I think we should merge this page with the SPARTAN page. Support I think we hsould merge this page with the SPARTAN page because they are the same thing. Similar how we have Master Chief redirect to SPARTAN-117. Vegerot (talk) 23:11, 28 July 2011 (EDT)!!!!!!
- Support - This article features little noteworthy content, and it is written almost entirely out-of-universe to boot. --Courage never dies. 23:14, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
# Support - Why do we have this page anyway?--ハローファン (H1234-NET) 23:19, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
- Neutral - The article relates to the Covenant religion and their belief that there are those who seek to prevent the Great Journey. If we do anything, I think we should re-write it and merge with "Covenant religion" and provide mention that the Covenant also treats ODSTs in a similar, albeit less serious, manner.-- Forerunner 07:23, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
- Neutral - As per Forerunner, it's far better to merge it with the aforementioned article. There's already a section dedicated to the term, to add on.— subtank 10:06, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
- Neutral - I would have to agree with Subtank and Forerunner, merging with Covenant religion would make more sense.--ハローファン (H1234-NET) 11:36, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
Rename[edit]
There are two demons, the title and the achivement. I made the disambig page for both of those, but this one needs to be renamed for it to work. Spartan 107 22:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
- There is no need for a disambiguation page, just use Template:Disambig header on both. -- Manticore (talk) 08:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
ok. Should we do this for the Hornet too then? might as well have the same format. Spartan 107 16:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
~I'm pretty sure that the title "Demon" is given to 117 in particular because of his role in destroying the Halo in the first game. Not unlike how the Covenant call the Index an "Icon," although presumably they were unaware of its existence until informed of it by a Monitor. The theory that they call him that because he's so hard to kill has merit, but well...so are Brutes, Elites and Hunters, and they don't get any funny names.
- "Brute", "Elite", and "Hunter" are the funny names given to Brutes, Elites, and Hunters. But they're much easier to kill, apparently, than the Master Chief, and the names were given to them by the Humans. -Umos 'Qikost Sword-wielding Minors and Shining Blue Spiders Comm 13:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Demonflare as the Arbiter?[edit]
When I was playing The Arbiter, I chucked a plasma grenade and I distinctly heard a grunt saying "Demon Flare!" Is it something to do with the programmed response to grenades?
Halo: The Cole Protocol on why the Covenant calls Spartans 'Demons'[edit]
I was just rereading The Cole Protocol, and I hit on something very interesting: when Thel 'Vadam is fighting Jai-006- thus, the first time he's ever HEARD of a Spartan, there's an indication he may have coined the term 'Demon' as it's used as an equivalent for Spartans, and at the very least TCP flat-out states the gist of the meaning behind the Covenant calling the Spartans 'Demons':
'What creature did not choose to show its face that wasn't a soulless and dead one? Thel roared again. "Demon! Heretic! Unholy alien!"' -Halo: The Cole Protocol, page 275
So, there you have it: the Covenant calls Spartans 'Demons' because of their faceless visored visages. About as explicit as we've gotten on the meaning of the term to date. Sort of makes the multiple paragraphs of speculation on its meaning- which ends up being the bulk of the article if you think about it- a bit useless now. Dewback rancher 18:30, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Still, that statement from TCP doesn't really make a whole lot of sense considering how most of the Sangheili helmets actually cover their entire faces. Which means Thel was either being extremely hypocritical, or he thinks only Sangheili are allowed to not show their faces while every other species isn't. I'm still pretty sure the term "demon" comes from the Spartans' battle prowess and their kill count. The visor probably has something to do with it, but I'd hardly think it's the sole reason for the term. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
- Ah. A very valid point. I guess this will have to be worked in as at best a contributing origin, then. Dewback rancher 20:29, September 30, 2010 (UTC)