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This isn't a UNSC Prowler? --Omrifere 00:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

No it is not. A UNSC Prowler is much smaller than a Destroyer. The exsictance of this type of ship is undeniable. Please read Ghosts of Onyx. --Will 20:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

yes. Cheers, 49 Proximal Secant^[oracle]File:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 17:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Possibility of Falsehood[edit]

Some of the specs posted in the ship's chart maybe incorrect. I'm openly admitting this, becuase since it is a Prowler-class i used some info from normal UNSC Prowlers. Althought this is just a possiblty cause i assumed things, but everything else is correct. Just there may be some flasehoods in the chart. --User:Donut THX 1138 File:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] 01:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I also have a problem with "Only some twenty officers in the entire galaxy had ever seen the ship." That line only applies to the high security Faraday Cage/conference room on board the Point of No Return and not the actual ship itself. (Just think about it. A cruiser which would need to be crewed by less than 20 people. Virtually impossible) As such I shall be amending this article accordingly. -- TheObviousOne 00:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, how do we know it is crewed by 90 men? Maybe I am missing something, but I don't recall that. Darkfire27983 18:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC) Actually, a ships is mainly run by crewman. The only officers aboard a ship are those in the bridge and a select few others. The Pillar of Autumn, for example, had a total of six or so officers.

--Rot^Brandon 05:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Ship Length?[edit]

Do we want to use the length offered in the (questionable) Halo Encyclopedia on this one? First violation is the Point of No Return purported to be a cruiser, yet is the length of a UNSC destroyer. The Halcyon-class was the smallest ship class to be designated a cruiser, therefore all other cruisers are larger. Second violation is the 485m length given in the Halo Encyclopedia has an erroneous conversion to 160ft which is incorrect. But then, which is the ship intended to be in the Encyclopedia? The 485m length or the 160ft length? I think in this case it's better to chalk the Encyclopedia entry up to yet one more mistake and remove the length reference here in this article. ScaleMaster117 (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

General practice has been to use the only length number given if it exists. I say we should keep the number on the page, but add a note pointing out that this contradicts the Halcyon being the smallest. Tuckerscreator^(stalk) 00:42, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

The notion of the ship being the size of a destroyer actually comes from Ghosts of Onyx, page 43: "The size of a destroyer, she was completely radar-invisible, and when her baffled engines ran below 30 percent she was as dark as interstellar space." The contradiction with the Halcyon class being the smallest cruiser class (which was mentioned by Cortana in The Fall of Reach, I think) could be reconciled in a number of ways: maybe Cortana didn't even know about the Point of No Return (unlikely, though possible given Parangosky's antipathy for Halsey). Or, as it appears in that scene in the book, she could simply be reciting information from a UNSC Navy record which would in all likelihood be more public and thus contain no information on the Point of No Return. Or maybe, being one of a kind and unconventional in role, the Point of No Return is generally excluded from the cruiser category - or, its inclusion was a some kind of paperwork goof which was rectified at some point between 2531 and 2552. Any number of these sorts of complications could be why Cortana did not mention it when giving a summary of the ship to Halsey.

As for the ship length given in the Encyclopedia, I have no love for the book, but given how the "size of a destroyer" actually has basis in proper canon and the 160ft figure is clearly wrong (that's nowhere near the size of a destroyer), I'd say the 485 meters is worth using. We've generally applied information originating solely from the Encyclopedia if it doesn't contradict with other established material and since any supposed contradiction about the size comes from Ghosts of Onyx, this is one of those rare cases where the Encyclopedia isn't actually to blame (aside from the ft conversion error). --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 02:13, 30 June 2013 (EDT)

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 This isn't a [[UNSC Prowler]]? --[[User:Omrifere|Omrifere]] 00:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 No it is not. A UNSC Prowler is much smaller than a Destroyer. The exsictance of this type of ship is undeniable. Please read Ghosts of Onyx. --[[User:UNSC AI|Will]] 20:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
-:yes. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 17:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
+:yes. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>File:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 17:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 == Possibility of Falsehood ==
-Some of the specs posted in the ship's chart maybe incorrect. I'm openly admitting this, becuase since it is a ''Prowler''-class i used some info from normal [[UNSC Prowler]]s. Althought this is just a possiblty cause i assumed things, but everything else is correct. Just there may be some flasehoods in the chart. --[[Shch 'Nodotee]] [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] 01:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
+Some of the specs posted in the ship's chart maybe incorrect. I'm openly admitting this, becuase since it is a ''Prowler''-class i used some info from normal [[UNSC Prowler]]s. Althought this is just a possiblty cause i assumed things, but everything else is correct. Just there may be some flasehoods in the chart. --[[User:Donut THX 1138]] File:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] 01:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
-I also have a problem with "Less than 20 people have ever seen it." That line only applies to the high security Faraday Cage/conference room on board the ''Point of No Return'' and not the actual ship itself. (Just think about it. A cruiser which would need to be crewed by less than 20 people. Virtually impossible) As such I shall be amending this article accordingly.
+I also have a problem with "Only some twenty officers in the entire galaxy had ever seen the ship." That line only applies to the high security Faraday Cage/conference room on board the ''Point of No Return'' and not the actual ship itself. (Just think about it. A cruiser which would need to be crewed by less than 20 people. Virtually impossible) As such I shall be amending this article accordingly. -- [[User:TheObviousOne|TheObviousOne]] 00:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
+Yeah, how do we know it is crewed by 90 men? Maybe I am missing something, but I don't recall that. [[User:Darkfire27983|Darkfire27983]] 18:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
+Actually, a ships is mainly run by crewman. The only officers aboard a ship are those in the bridge and a select few others. The ''[[Pillar of Autumn]]'', for example, had a total of six or so officers.
+:--'''[[User:Rotaretilbo|Rot]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Rotaretilbo|Brandon]]</sup> 05:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
+==Ship Length?==
+Do we want to use the length offered in the (questionable) Halo Encyclopedia on this one? First violation is the ''Point of No Return'' purported to be a cruiser, yet is the length of a UNSC destroyer. The ''Halcyon''-class was the smallest ship class to be designated a cruiser, therefore all other cruisers are larger. Second violation is the 485m length given in the Halo Encyclopedia has an erroneous conversion to 160ft which is incorrect. But then, which is the ship intended to be in the Encyclopedia? The 485m length or the 160ft length? I think in this case it's better to chalk the Encyclopedia entry up to yet one more mistake and remove the length reference here in this article. [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 21:36, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
+:General practice has been to use the only length number given if it exists. I say we should keep the number on the page, but add a note pointing out that this contradicts the Halcyon being the smallest. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 00:42, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
+:The notion of the ship being the size of a destroyer actually comes from ''Ghosts of Onyx'', page 43: ''"The size of a destroyer, she was completely radar-invisible, and when her baffled engines ran below 30 percent she was as dark as interstellar space."'' The contradiction with the ''Halcyon'' class being the smallest cruiser class (which was mentioned by Cortana in ''The Fall of Reach'', I think) could be reconciled in a number of ways: maybe Cortana didn't even know about the ''Point of No Return'' (unlikely, though possible given Parangosky's antipathy for Halsey). Or, as it appears in that scene in the book, she could simply be reciting information from a UNSC Navy record which would in all likelihood be more public and thus contain no information on the ''Point of No Return''. Or maybe, being one of a kind and unconventional in role, the ''Point of No Return'' is generally excluded from the cruiser category - or, its inclusion was a some kind of paperwork goof which was rectified at some point between 2531 and 2552. Any number of these sorts of complications could be why Cortana did not mention it when giving a summary of the ship to Halsey.
+:As for the ship length given in the Encyclopedia, I have no love for the book, but given how the "size of a destroyer" actually has basis in proper canon and the 160ft figure is clearly wrong (that's nowhere near the size of a destroyer), I'd say the 485 meters is worth using. We've generally applied information originating solely from the ''Encyclopedia'' if it doesn't contradict with other established material and since any supposed contradiction about the size comes from ''Ghosts of Onyx'', this is one of those rare cases where the ''Encyclopedia'' isn't actually to blame (aside from the ft conversion error).  --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 02:13, 30 June 2013 (EDT)