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near extinction[edit]

Considering that many Jiralhanae joined the military during the great schism, and didn't do much of the labor or intelligent work(cubicle work) I believe about half of them died by the end of the Human-Covenant war. With the continued fighting with Sanghelie and the lack of food availability I assume there are less than 1,000 by 2557 when peace talks begin. Should this be added to the page? I can show the math behind it. -Sallan.

Why would the Sangheili, a species perfectly comfortable with eradicating humanity as long as it was for the right reasons, make peace with their hated rivals if they were on the verge of extinction? I don't think you're accounting for the Jiralhanae civilian populations - not every Jiralhanae would have joined up. Even if most of the males did, that still leaves the females. I'm also not sure where you're getting the "lack of food availability" from. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat} ^{of Morheka} 22:18, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

At this point Jul'Madma's group has started another Human-Covenant war because the humans believe all Covenant wanted to aid the Ur-Didact. The Military got so caught up in that that they forgot about the Jiralhanae and were willing to accept help. Some served as Body Guards for Sangheili. Thel'Vadam supported the San'Shyuum but realized he was wrong. he helped other species convert, so why not the Jiralhanae? I'll accept that 5,000 survive. The lack of food availability is mentioned in the article. When the Sangheili returned to self sufficiency the Jiralhanae put all there power into the military and stole supplies from other species.-Sallan

Well, considering that the Brutes could survive all those civil wars on one planet even before joining the Covenant, I'm sure they could also survive whatever issues/problems thrown at them after the fall of the Covenant throughout the Orion Arm.

Oh, sign your comments using the four tildes (~~~~). — subtank 09:52, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

I'm not sure where you are pulling the 1,000 to 5,000 number from. But I can guess. Their homeworld contains billions of them. They have been raiding colonies for supplies... and as of 2559 are still fighting each other and the Sangheili. You have absolutely no evidence to support them being near extinction. There is no debate to be had here. All existing canon suggests that they are still a threat to the galaxy. ProphetofTruth (talk) 10:47, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

I understand I was wrong and that they are still strong, but I would not call it a threat. They easily be defeated by Humans and Sangheili and are unlikely to do much damage without the San'ShyuumSallan (talk) 23:21, 30 August 2014 (EDT)Sallan

Skeins, master-packs and alpha tribes[edit]

Currently, the article makes rather many assumptions as to the relationship between "Alpha Tribes" and "master-packs". Truth is, we don't know how these two relate to one another or if, as I suspect, they're in fact synonymous. The Waypoint article for Jiralhanae introduces the concept of meta-clans or "skeins", which I believe are just another word for master-packs or alpha tribes (as the Waypoint article describes two skeins going to war with one another whereas previously Contact Harvest described the civil war as having taken place between master-packs). Given that the term "Alpha Tribe" has only appeared once and Jiralhanae society isn't particularly inclined for complex structures (like having many different levels of meta-pack), I believe we could safely regard the three as different names for the same form of social grouping. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 10:16, 23 November 2014 (EST)

I agree with the Alpha Tribe/Master-Pack are probably one and the same, but I'm not so sure on the master-pack/skein idea. Catalog mentioned that Lydus was Chieftain of a master-pack, so that term is still being used at least. The master-packs seem to be clans/familial units, but the skeins appear to be more like philosophies, perhaps formed by developing in different regions of Doisac. -- SFH (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2014 (EST)

That is possible and it's probably better for us to play it safe, but it's odd that the new Waypoint entry doesn't bother mentioning the master-packs at all. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 13:27, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Much of Waypoint's universe section still hasn't been finished. A lot of subjects are still missing entries, so it's possible that the current entries are missing some information. -- SFH (talk) 13:37, 23 November 2014 (EST)

Agreed with SFH on skeins. The wiki definition makes its possible applicability vague at best, but it's probably more like the East/West divide in human international politics than formal diplomatic alignment. As for Alpha tribes/Master-Packs, I'm inclined to think that they represent the difference between planetary governments and nation-states - Alpha representatives clearly have the authority to negotiate for at least planet-level groups, possibly interstellar groups, while Master-Packs are described in terms more reminiscent of planet-bound nations. Lydus is the chief contradiction, but the Jiralhanae are on the brink of collapse at this point, and I don't find it difficult to believe that the leader of a single Master-Pack is one of the highest-ranking officials left after years of Sangheili retribution. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat} ^{of Morheka} 18:50, 23 November 2014 (EST)

I concede my point about the skeins, but the difference between alpha tribes and master packs still seems trivial to me at best, particularly since both terms are so close to one another in definition. I get what you're saying about a (possible) distinction, but we have to keep in mind that our reference pool isn't exactly huge with a total of one mention of the alpha tribes and two of master-packs, one of the latter in a context very similar to the earlier use "alpha tribes". And variable terminology isn't exactly something unheard of either—even the basic Jiralhanae groupings have been called many things (packs, tribes and clans). --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 10:36, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Major edits[edit]

I'm currently working on updating this article and generally cleaning it up. I was wondering if anyone would be against me revamping the "Command structure" to make it more in-line with the similar sections on the Kig-Yar and Sangheili articles. There seems to be an adequate amount of information for it, plus I find that it looks more appealing when it is formatted way. Not to mention that some of the ranks listed in the section are either conjecture or don't exist. - NightHammer (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2014 (EST)

Absolutely. No reason to have this article diverge from the new format (it's also nice to hear this is getting a long-overdue overhaul).--Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:22, 19 December 2014 (EST)

Okay, cool. I should be finished updating the article sometime tomorrow. - NightHammer (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2014 (EST)

War Chieftain vs Regular Chieftain - Who's the boss?[edit]

Because as many other users have pointed out the War Chieftains are more numerous as well as physically weaker in armour durability and command smaller posts. --The Ultimate Pie (talk) 07:00, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

What do you think would be great for Jiralhanae defector[edit]

I know non of this will ever be told in Halo lores never but it would be ausume to see a Jiralhanae defector during Halo 2 maybe release the Marines from the Shadow of Intent and it would be cool to see him ally himself as the only brute in the Fleet of Retribution, maybe someday if I asked Bungie to do just a novel I think maybe then we could have a Jiralhanae defector defect to the Fleet of Retribution but the only one,

But that was just a dream nothing else.

I know the Fleet of Retibution has no brute defectors, only Rtas 'Vadum, Thel 'Vadam, Usze 'Taham, N'tho 'Sraom, a Large number of Sangheili Minors, Majors, Special Operations, High Councilors, possibly Ultra's and likely I think to my opinion Zealots and possilby one Ossoona likely, maybe Honor Guardsman, possibly or likely a Imperial Admiral maybe General's possibly Ranger's that's my guess and god knows who they could be but they might have been others that we didnt' see in Halo 2 maybe of other rank titles, I know they had a smaller number of Kig-Yar, plus a small number of Special Operations Unggoy and Large Number of Unggoy Major's and Minors, possibly Ultra, Imperial maybe, Heavy, and god knows I can't think of any more, and small number of Mgalekgolo, it's also a shame in Halo 3 we never got to see many of these possibly wasn't added in due to budget issues with Bungie at the time,

But that does sound a hell of a lot interesting, Colby James (talk) 05:12, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

I was going to rollback your post because it's really something that would be more appropriate on a forum or reddit post, but let's face it, we've been pretty forgiving with talk page discussions for years now, and if it gets people talking I can't really condemn it. But there were, in fact, Brutes who remained loyal to the Elites, at least until they revolted in 2553 on Sanghelios. Brutes also continued to serve alongside Elites among the Banished, and in 'Mdama's Covenant (though rarer), and at least one faction has been seen sueing for peace with the Elites using the UNSC as a neutral arbitrater. As for what exactly made up the Fleet of Retribution, we don't see much because A.) having a bunch of units you'd been fighting suddenly on your side might have confused casual players, and B.) we don't actually see most of the action that fleet takes part in - we see a special forces insertion in Voi, small teams of Elite shock troops when the Chief fights to secure one of the towers, and then otherwise the Elite troops are fighting elsewhere, or it's a naval engagement over the Ark. Bungie also no longer have anything to do with the Halo franchise, that role has been taken on by 343 Industries, and this has been the case for many years now. Frankly, given the woes of the Destiny franchise, I can't say I'm sorry about that. -- Qura 'Morhek ^{The Autocrat} ^{of Morheka} 07:03, 24 March 2018 (EDT)

Height[edit]

There's an error with the height conversion (which is from waypoint). It says 259 cm or 8'5". But 259 cm is actually 8'6". So do we change the cm to 257 cm, or the inches from 8'6" to 8'5"? 108.28.17.236 17:48, 4 February 2019 (EST) emasik

Good catch! Seems like the air was made because someone saw that 259 cm is 8.5 feet and so wrote "8 feet, five inches". I'll hit up Grim about it on Twitter. In the meantime, let's change it over to 8'6.TheEld (talk) 18:00, 4 February 2019 (EST)TheEld

thanks for the quick reply and edit. 108.28.17.236 19:14, 4 February 2019 (EST) emasik

Language[edit]

Going through the audio logs in Halo Infinite, I noticed that some of the Jiralhanae audio logs are numbered, 1 through 9. They follow the somewhat Latin format, being "Unus", "Duol", "Tres", "Quattuor", "Quinque", "Siks", "Septem", "Octus", and "Novem". Would it be okay to add those to the "Language" section?--The Ragin Pagan (talk) 11:02, August 13, 2022 (EDT)

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-==Add Brute Weapons List!==
+{{Archived|multi=Archives<br />[[/Archive/1|1]] • [[/Archive/2|2]]}}
-[[ Image:Halo3documentry9be.png|thumb]]
+== near extinction ==
-This should have a list of Brute made weapones like Gravity Hammer, Brute Shot, Brute Plasma Rifle ext.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 23:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
-:Thanks for the weapon list on this article.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
-::You're welcome -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 03:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
-==Brutes are playable?==
+Considering that many Jiralhanae joined the military during the great schism, and didn't do much of the labor or intelligent work(cubicle work) I believe about half of them died by the end of the Human-Covenant war. With the continued fighting with Sanghelie and the lack of food availability  I assume there are less than 1,000 by 2557 when peace talks begin. Should this be added to the page? I can show the math behind it. -Sallan.
-There was a rumour going around that Brutes would be playable in Halo 3. Busted by Bungie, but should it go into the trivia section?
-:It's not really that Brute-related, though. Perhaps just a note in the Halo 3 fact list? --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 21:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
-==How do you pronounce Jhiralhanae?==
+:Why would the Sangheili, a species perfectly comfortable with eradicating humanity as long as it was for the right reasons, make peace with their hated rivals if they were on the verge of extinction? I don't think you're accounting for the Jiralhanae civilian populations - not every Jiralhanae would have joined up. Even if most of the males did, that still leaves the females. I'm also not sure where you're getting the "lack of food availability" from. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:18, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
-How do you think Jhiralhanae? You know my pronounciation thing isn't on the talk main page anymore. I'm just wandering.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 15:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
+At this point Jul'Madma's group has started another Human-Covenant war because the humans believe all Covenant wanted to aid the Ur-Didact. The Military got so caught up in that that they forgot about the Jiralhanae and were willing to accept help. Some served as Body Guards for Sangheili. Thel'Vadam supported the San'Shyuum but realized he was wrong. he helped other species convert, so why not the Jiralhanae? I'll accept that 5,000 survive. The lack of food availability is mentioned in the article. When the Sangheili returned to self sufficiency the Jiralhanae put all there power into the military and stole supplies from other species.-Sallan
-:It's Jiralhanae. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 20:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
-I pronounce it like Ji-ral-ah-nay. User:Joshua 029
+:Well, considering that the Brutes could survive all those civil wars on one planet even before joining the Covenant, I'm sure they could also survive whatever issues/problems thrown at them after the fall of the Covenant throughout the Orion Arm.
+:Oh, sign your comments using the four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:52, 17 August 2014 (EDT)
-Thanks user:Joshua 029--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
+::I'm not sure where you are pulling the 1,000 to 5,000 number from. But I can guess. Their homeworld contains billions of them. They have been raiding colonies for supplies... and as of 2559 are still fighting each other and the Sangheili. You have absolutely no evidence to support them being near extinction. There is no debate to be had here. All existing canon suggests that they are still a threat to the galaxy. [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] ([[User talk:ProphetofTruth|talk]]) 10:47, 17 August 2014 (EDT)
-:I pronounce it "jeer-all-han-ay". I don't know the correct version, though. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 19:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
+::: I understand I was wrong and that they are still strong, but I would not call it a threat. They easily be defeated by Humans and Sangheili and are unlikely to do much damage without the San'Shyuum[[User:Sallan|Sallan]] ([[User talk:Sallan|talk]]) 23:21, 30 August 2014 (EDT)Sallan
-==More pictures please!==
+== Skeins, master-packs and alpha tribes ==
-I think we need more examples of Brutes in Halo 3, like the Chieftains, the Captains, etc. Like pictures, in this page, as well as in each of the rank respective articles! --[[User:Black Mercy|Black Mercy]] 11:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
+Currently, the article makes rather many assumptions as to the relationship between "Alpha Tribes" and "master-packs". Truth is, we don't know how these two relate to one another or if, as I suspect, they're in fact synonymous. The [https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/jiralhanae Waypoint article] for Jiralhanae introduces the concept of meta-clans or "skeins", which I believe are just another word for master-packs or alpha tribes (as the Waypoint article describes two skeins going to war with one another whereas previously ''Contact Harvest'' described the civil war as having taken place between master-packs). Given that the term "Alpha Tribe" has only appeared once and Jiralhanae society isn't particularly inclined for complex structures (like having many different levels of meta-pack), I believe we could safely regard the three as different names for the same form of social grouping. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:16, 23 November 2014 (EST)
+:I agree with the Alpha Tribe/Master-Pack are probably one and the same, but I'm not so sure on the master-pack/skein idea. Catalog mentioned that Lydus was Chieftain of a master-pack, so that term is still being used at least. The master-packs seem to be clans/familial units, but the skeins appear to be more like philosophies, perhaps formed by developing in different regions of Doisac. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 13:13, 23 November 2014 (EST)
+::That is possible and it's probably better for us to play it safe, but it's odd that the new Waypoint entry doesn't bother mentioning the master-packs at all. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:27, 23 November 2014 (EST)
+::: Much of Waypoint's universe section still hasn't been finished. A lot of subjects are still missing ''entries'', so it's possible that the current entries are missing some information. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 13:37, 23 November 2014 (EST)
-yes! more pretty pictures! -[[Image:Also_halo.jpg|20px]]'''[[User:RimFire|<font color="green">яÏΜFÏяΣ</font>]]'''[[Image:Halo.jpg|20px]]<sup>[[User talk:RimFire|<b><span style="color: olive"><u>the rebelious anarchist</u></span></b>]][[Image:Mandskull.jpg|29px]][[User:RimFire|<b><span style="color: red">Terminus</span></b>]]</sup> 20:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
+::Agreed with SFH on skeins. The wiki definition makes its possible applicability vague at best, but it's probably more like the East/West divide in human international politics than formal diplomatic alignment. As for Alpha tribes/Master-Packs, I'm inclined to think that they represent the difference between planetary governments and nation-states - Alpha representatives clearly have the authority to negotiate for at least planet-level groups, possibly interstellar groups, while Master-Packs are described in terms more reminiscent of planet-bound nations. Lydus is the chief contradiction, but the Jiralhanae are on the brink of collapse at this point, and I don't find it difficult to believe that the leader of a single Master-Pack is one of the highest-ranking officials left after years of Sangheili retribution. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 18:50, 23 November 2014 (EST)
-== Green Blood? ==
+:::I concede my point about the skeins, but the difference between alpha tribes and master packs still seems trivial to me at best, particularly since both terms are so close to one another in definition. I get what you're saying about a (possible) distinction, but we have to keep in mind that our reference pool isn't exactly huge with a total of one mention of the alpha tribes and two of master-packs, one of the latter in a context very similar to the earlier use "alpha tribes". And variable terminology isn't exactly something unheard of either—even the basic Jiralhanae groupings have been called many things (packs, tribes and clans). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:36, 24 November 2014 (EST)
-I don't think the statement on green blood should go just yet. I have a feeling this is more of the "beta blood" for the Brutes, they had black blood in Halo 2. I think the designers didn't have the time to code in the correct color for the Brutes at the time of the doc. -- [[User:Knuxchao]]
+== Major edits ==
-:Concur. Since it's a beta, we can't put our foots to the petal ''yet''. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>[[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 20:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
-== VIDOC ==
+I'm currently working on updating this article and generally cleaning it up. I was wondering if anyone would be against me revamping the "Command structure" to make it more in-line with the [[Kig-Yar#Military structure|similar]] [[Sangheili#Command structure|sections]] on the Kig-Yar and Sangheili articles. There seems to be an adequate amount of information for it, plus I find that it looks more appealing when it is formatted way. Not to mention that some of the ranks listed in the section are either conjecture or don't exist. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 21:01, 18 December 2014 (EST)
+:Absolutely. No reason to have this article diverge from the new format (it's also nice to hear this is getting a long-overdue overhaul).--[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:22, 19 December 2014 (EST)
+::Okay, cool. I should be finished updating the article sometime tomorrow. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 23:53, 19 December 2014 (EST)
-Has anyone else noticed that in the untextured part, near the crashed pelican, a Brute uses the body of a fallen Brute as cover, firing his Brute Shot from behind it? wow...OMG, GoW COVER SYSTEM!!! not really. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 07:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
+== War Chieftain vs Regular Chieftain - Who's the boss? ==
-Well AI has always used cover, the shocking part to me is that he is using a body. What good will that do?--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 17:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
+Because as many other users have pointed out the War Chieftains are more numerous as well as physically weaker in armour durability and command smaller posts. --[[User:The Ultimate Pie|The Ultimate Pie]] ([[User talk:The Ultimate Pie|talk]]) 07:00, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
-==Bravo Kilos?==
+== What do you think would be great for Jiralhanae defector ==
-When bungie makes the "interviews" with the marines the marines seem to call the brutes Bravo Kilos, could this be the scientific human term for the brutes or something?--[[User:The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 17:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
-:Yeah, I noted that too. =D Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#D3D3D3">Gho</font><font color="#A9A9A9">st I</font><font color="#808080">nsi</font><font color="#000000">de the M</font><font color="#808080">ach</font><font color="#A9A9A9">ine</font>]] <font color="#808080"><sup>''([[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#808080">My Journeys</font>]]) ([[w:c:gearsofwar:user:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#808080">Omens</font>]])</sup></font> 17:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
-Bravo Kilo = B K = Baby Kong. simple. -- [[User:Specops306|SpecOps306]] 20:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
+I know non of this will ever be told in Halo lores never but it would be ausume to see a Jiralhanae defector during Halo 2 maybe release the Marines from the Shadow of Intent and it would be cool to see him ally himself as the only brute in the Fleet of Retribution, maybe someday if I asked Bungie to do just a novel I think maybe then we could have a Jiralhanae defector defect to the Fleet of Retribution but the only one,
-I was just trying to find a way to work that into the main article, but couldn't without rewriting the whole introductory paragraph. Someone should make a list of slang names for covenant races. The only ones off the top of my head are squid-heads (elites) and baby kongs (brutes) Monkeyfoetus [[User:168.103.50.126|168.103.50.126]] 22:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
+But that was just a dream nothing else.
-Split-Chin for Elites, Can of Worms for Hunters, and Hairy Gorilla for Brutes.--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 23:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
+I know the Fleet of Retibution has no brute defectors, only Rtas 'Vadum, Thel 'Vadam, Usze 'Taham, N'tho 'Sraom, a Large number of Sangheili Minors, Majors, Special Operations, High Councilors, possibly Ultra's and likely I think to my opinion Zealots and possilby one Ossoona likely, maybe Honor Guardsman, possibly or likely a Imperial Admiral maybe General's possibly Ranger's that's my guess and god knows who they could be but they might have been others that we didnt' see in Halo 2 maybe of other rank titles, I know they had a smaller number of Kig-Yar, plus a small number of Special Operations Unggoy and Large Number of Unggoy Major's and Minors, possibly Ultra, Imperial maybe, Heavy, and god knows I can't think of any more, and small number of Mgalekgolo, it's also a shame in Halo 3 we never got to see many of these possibly wasn't added in due to budget issues with Bungie at the time,
-You can just stick a note in the trivia section. Or maybe nicknames should be added to the species infobox. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 06:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
+But that does sound a hell of a lot interesting, [[User:Colby James|Colby James]] ([[User talk:Colby James|talk]]) 05:12, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
-BK - talk about in-game advertising...guess Bungie don't think much of Sneak King either! =D [[User:Specops306|Kora &#39;Morhekee]] 08:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
+:I was going to rollback your post because it's really something that would be more appropriate on a forum or reddit post, but let's face it, we've been pretty forgiving with talk page discussions for years now, and if it gets people talking I can't really condemn it. But there were, in fact, Brutes who remained loyal to the Elites, at least until they revolted in 2553 on Sanghelios. Brutes also continued to serve alongside Elites among the Banished, and in 'Mdama's Covenant (though rarer), and at least one faction has been seen sueing for peace with the Elites using the UNSC as a neutral arbitrater. As for what exactly made up the Fleet of Retribution, we don't see much because A.) having a bunch of units you'd been fighting suddenly on your side might have confused casual players, and B.) we don't actually see most of the action that fleet takes part in - we see a special forces insertion in Voi, small teams of Elite shock troops when the Chief fights to secure one of the towers, and then otherwise the Elite troops are fighting elsewhere, or it's a naval engagement over the Ark. Bungie also no longer have anything to do with the Halo franchise, that role has been taken on by 343 Industries, and this has been the case for many years now. Frankly, given the woes of the Destiny franchise, I can't say I'm sorry about that. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:03, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
-== Special operation brutes? ==
+== Height ==
-Dose any one think there will be special operation brutes in H3 to replace the former spec ops elite's. If you look at the video documentary Et Tu Brute? At (2:06) and especially (2:39) there's some concept art of a brute wearing all black armour with what appears to be some sort of inferred vision and high tech armour these might not be the final designs for spec ops brutes but it is possible that there is going to be a special operation brute rank introduced in H3. [[user:Kami-Sama]]
+There's an error with the height conversion (which is from waypoint). It says 259 cm or 8'5". But 259 cm is actually 8'6". So do we change the cm to 257 cm, or the inches from 8'6" to 8'5"? [[Special:Contributions/108.28.17.236|108.28.17.236]] 17:48, 4 February 2019 (EST) emasik
-:dose any one wish to comment [[User:Kami-Sama]]
-Ya, I was wondering what that could be because they looked nothing like the ones in game play. That would be cool if they were, hey by the way did you see the one with the particle beam rifle on its back?--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 19:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
+Good catch! Seems like the air was made because someone saw that 259 cm is 8.5 feet and so wrote "8 feet, five inches". I'll hit up Grim about it on Twitter. In the meantime, let's change it over to 8'6''.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 18:00, 4 February 2019 (EST)TheEld
-Yeah I noticed the carbain but if there is a spec ops brutes in the game then what's there purpose the same as the elites or diffrent. perhaps assasains and do you think they look like there wearing some wierd type of preditor armour. [[User:Kami-Sama|Visit my user page]]
+thanks for the quick reply and edit. [[Special:Contributions/108.28.17.236|108.28.17.236]] 19:14, 4 February 2019 (EST) emasik
-== New Armour ==
+== Language ==
-Hey, on one video I saw bungi's giving the Brutes new armour to compensate for the Elites leaving the Covenant. Also they're apparently going to travel in packs.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
+Going through the audio logs in ''Halo Infinite'', I noticed that some of the Jiralhanae audio logs are numbered, 1 through 9. They follow the somewhat Latin format, being "Unus", "Duol", "Tres", "Quattuor", "Quinque", "Siks", "Septem", "Octus", and "Novem". Would it be okay to add those to the "Language" section?--[[User:The Ragin Pagan|The Ragin Pagan]] ([[User talk:The Ragin Pagan|talk]]) 11:02, August 13, 2022 (EDT)
-Et tu Brute, just a little late, sorry--[[User:The Chazz025|The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 19:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Cleanup ==
-This article has been tagged for cleanup.  Any reasons why? --[[User:Geoffron|Geoffron]] 21:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Anatomy and Physiology  ==
-can some one add a sections like on the elight page the  Anatomy and Physiology bit i would do it my self but im not much of a wrighter and i think it would be a improvement on the artical. [[User:Kami-Sama]].
-No problem [[User:A Monument to All Your Sins|A Monument to All Your Sins]] 17:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
-== I have a Question ==
-Hi everyone my question is: The brute with sword in "Et tu brute" is a captain or a chieftain. Its only curiosity. [[user:Clavix2|Clavix2 A brute fan and lover.]]
-It stated in GoO in the chapter just before Section 5 that Brutes and Elites have an ancient conflict probably responsible for their current hatred of each other or did I just mis read and if not shouldn’t it be mentioned on the page somewhere? -- [[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
-I have a question did any one notice that the paragraph about ViDoc and Julius Caesar's last words it states that "This quotation is famous in Roman history, as its words are believed to be Julius Caesar's last before he was murdered. Translated roughly from Latin to English, it means "And you, Brutus?", expressing Caesar's surprise at finding his friend Brutus among his killers." when it is known that "Caesar almost certainly did not, in fact, utter these precise words upon his assassination. Plutarch says that he died wordlessly while Suetonius says that he said "Καὶ σὺ τέκνον" (Kai su, teknon?), Greek for "You too, my child?"" by the Latin version was made famous by William Shakespeare, who used it in his play Julius Caesar (act 3, scene 1,85). -- [[User:MCDBBlits|MCDBBlits]] 16:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
-:That may be true. But the average person would have no idea what they were, or who said them. Et Tu, Brute? is probably the more famous version, so Bungie used that. And i've always thought that the reason the Covenant "went easy" on humanity for so long, when they had the ability to wipe them out, was because they were fighting the brutes. thirty years worth of fighting the brutes would need a lot of resources! Impressive research, though!
-== Primitive or advanced? ==
-The brutes to me seem that their society is probably technologicly comparable to the humans of the 20th or 19th century.To me they don't seem to be have '''''BIG''''' cities but nor primitive villages?--[[User:0nyx Sp1k3r|0nyx Sp1k3r]] 23:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)BLARG!!!
-i think the brutes themselves were a primitive race but when they joined the covenant they got technology like their armour,the mauler, spiker etc.[[User:Alphacheiftain101|Alphacheiftain101]] 20:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
-== Strange Brute ==
-In a screenshot at bungie the master chief is in a jungle (preseumably the first level) and he's confronting a brute standing next to an active bubble sheild. The Brut's armor isnt that of a minor or major or cheiftan. It looks more primitive like Tartarus's brutes in halo 2. Anybody know what it is?-DiabloInferno
-its a brute thats been stripped of its technology possably with an overcharged plasma pistol coz they seem to have the same effect on brutes as elite in that it removes/drains their sheild/armour in one hit
-you a
-can add that to the plasma pistol page if u want i have a source its the sierra 117 video on YouTube[[User:Alphacheiftain101|Alphacheiftain101]] 20:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
-that could be true but i could have sworn i read somthing that said once the brutes became the main part of the covenant (other than the prophets) so they reverted to some of there old tech...
-==Armor==
-COuld the reason that the armor is so different between games be that they are in different legions?  I was thinking that the legion controlled by Tartarus could be more barbaric, hence the less technologically advanced armor, and the other legions are less pronounced, and less elite so they use standard Brure armor? [[User:SPARTAN-101|SPARTAN-101]]
-maybe its because the brutes in halo 2 were on high charity and the brutes in halo 3 were on earth hence in the frontline which means that they would need better armour, weapons, vehicles etc.[[User:Alphacheiftain101|Alphacheiftain101]] 20:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
-another thing is before the brutes werent as highly ranked as the elites and like the rest of the covenant therefor didnt have as advanced armor but now there the main rank in the covenant so there armor has upgraded right
-== Rocket Launcher ==
-In what level you see Butes with rocket launcher?? Its real or Vandal [[User:Clavix2|Clavix2]] 06:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
-I agree.I've never Brute with a rocket launcher either.Why do you lie??--[[User:Thunderstream328|Thunderstream328]] 15:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
-It is because they can wield fuel rod cannons which is the exact opposite of a rocket launcher.
-[[User:Hydraman|<b><span style=color:red>Hydraman</span></b>]][[image:BR_Firing.gif|30px]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Hydraman|<font color="Blue">EDITINGS</font>]]</sup>
-== Tiny page edit ==
-I edited the page a little. I put a reference for the 'Brutes have Shields now'-quote, and added in a screenshot of a Brute Chieftain in Halo 3. [[User:Blue Ninja|Blue Ninja]] 14:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
-:what do u mean the only sheild the brutes have are bubble sheilds, covenant sheilds and invincablility which technicallt isnt a sheild so on that referance be more secific they dont have energy sheilds just armour.[[User:Alphacheiftain101|Alphacheiftain101]] 21:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
-I will now throw caution to the wind and edit this article, I hope I do not screw it up. Don't worry, I just fixed some grammer.
-By the way, since "editing Help" will not load for some reason, I would like to know more about signing comments, as I'm still not sure after reading the note at the bottom of the page. Also, Who said, or at least implied, that brutes are smarter than humans? That seems, like, not true. Help me I'm a n00b on Halopedia!
-== New Brute Rank ==
-this could or could not be put into consideration but ive noticed something among various screenshots of brutes
-We all know that there are Minors, Captains, Chieftans, and Jet Pack and even stealth brutes.
-Im sure people would just dismiss them as minors but what about those brutes who sport green armor?
-ive noticed that they are the only brutes seen piloting choppers so could this be a new class entirely. Possibly engineer?
-peace
-they seen to be either a variation of a captain or the brute eqauvalent of the elite pilots from halo 2. [[User:Alphacheiftain101|Alphacheiftain101]] 21:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
-hey this is Yap Yap speaking, and I have to say, that I have no idea what is up with this new rank. But I have a few guesses. 1 that its the stealth brute armor and they are used en masse for their predator like nature. 2 They are engineers like you said. Or 3 that they are either commando ranked, or a hunting rank, like trained wolves and have a special sense of smell, accounting for the lack of a visible eye slit in the helmet, strange nose covering projection and lightweight looking armor for speed. Look in the comic to see what I mean.If you have any other theories or agree with one of mine, my callsign is Yap Yap. I'd like to hear them.
-As far has been confiremd theres Minors, in two colors, blue and turqouise/green, captain in red, green, purple and gold and captain in red and gold, along with jet pack elites and the possiblity of stealth elites. I've seen an image of that paticular brute armor in question, on the Et Tu Brute vidoc, in a piece of concept art being drawn by Isaac Hannaford, the picture is a variation of the Stealth Brute picture, chances are its going to be the Actual Stealth Brute. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 14:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
-seems true man, it just made me wonder since the green brutes didnt really wear as much armor as the minors and soley piloted choppers. Dont forget that there are blue captains too! my favorite so far
-I don't know why Bungie didnt add brutes into multiplayer, it wouldnt be unbalanced because Brutes armour could act as shields would, then when the armour is blown off the damage would be the same as an elites or spartans.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 19:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
-==Intelligence==
-This article states that Brutes are smarter than most humans. Source? [[User:Blacktiger9000|Blacktiger9000]] 22:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
-:It's bull. BALEETED -[[User:Azathoth|<font color="black">''theblackthrone''</font>]] [[User talk:Azathoth|<font color="black"><sub>(atthecenter)</sub></font>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Azathoth|<font color="black"><sub>(ofultimatechaos)</sub></font>]] 22:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
-==sword?==
-In the brute vidoc, there was a brute hero with an energy sword. However, i haven't seen single brute with sword in Halo3.
-Have you? Or did Bungie drop the swords-to-brutes idea?
-Ah, that figures, have anyone actually seen an Elite with dual energy sword. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
-I've played through the Campaign about 2-3 times and haven't seen either. :( -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
-==Ranks?==
-I've been looking at all of the brute ranking articals and i've noticed that it's all very sketchy (Compared to the Elites). [[User:Kami-Sama]]
-The Brute rank pages need to be rewritten with separate sections for Halo 2 and 3 Brutes. [[User:Mr Toad|Mr Toad]] 23:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
-==Weird==
-So, i was playing the campaign the other day with the IWHBYD skull on.  I killed a brute, and one of the brutes next to him said "He was my lover!"  Either the brute females have really deep voices, or I guess the brutes are okay with same sex relationships.
-[[User:Covenant Ghost|Covenant Ghost]] 16:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
-:Yeah, there's this [http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/30/halo-3-gets-its-first-real-spartans-with-brute/ gay Brutes] article. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 17:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
-== Joined the Covenant when? ==
-Hi, I've been trying to find out, does anyone know when the Brutes joined the Covenant? Is there an actual date in the Halo universe? Was it before the games... or after Halo: CE, or...? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 21:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
-I'm pretty sure it was before Halo:CE in the Halo Universe, but Bungie came up with the Brute before Halo 2. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font> <font color="gray">23</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>  [http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> • <sub><small>[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Blemo+23 <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD</font>]</small></sub> 23:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
-In First Strike, they were in the Covenant, but not in the military. It wasn't even until the end of First Strike that the Honor Guard had seen a Brute, at least in the presence of a Prophet. As to the actual date they first joined, however, /me has no idea. --<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="GPT does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> <b>[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">GPT</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="000000">eating</font>]])</sup></b> 23:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
-Aren't the Brutes part of the initial Covenan race, but in Halo 1, only a small part of the Covenant were sent from the Holy City to Alpha Halo to track down the Autumn? [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ''']] 11:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
-That was the impression I was under, that they joined the Covenant long ago, but with no facts (at least that I know of) it's just speculation. What GPT has said though sounds interesting and helpful. Thanks for all of your replies :)
-But please help! Does anyone else know anymore about when the Brutes joined the Covenant? -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 19:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
-They joined before the Covenant first fought the UNSC on Harvest. [[User:Spartan-016|Spartan-016]] 01:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
-== Halo 2 Brutes ==
-If we can get them, I think we need correct pictures for each Brute rank in Halo 2 along with their Halo 3 versions. I for one had difficulty telling them apart in 2, so this'd make it easier.
-== Brute Strength? ==
-How strong do you think a brute is? The minor ones are probably on par with the MC [around 4 tons], but some of those older/higher ranking ones seem to put the MC to shame strength wise [i.e Tartarus was described as having the muscle to kill a hunter: First Strike: Page 339].