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== Glowing ==


==Wanted to Share This==
Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. <span style="font-family: Halo3 ; Font-size: 135%; color:#800002;">FATGUNN</span> 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Came across something hilarious the other day when I was playing Halo 3 campaign. So, I was playing Sierra 117, and I see a grunt ahead of me.  He lights a plasma grenade, and throws it at me.  While he is doing this, he shouts "SUCK IT HERETIC!!!" I am the only person who finds this funny? Because it was awesome. [[User:Covenant Ghost|Covenant Ghost]] 02:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


== Erroneous Height ==


The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. [http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline10/blamestosh/happy_halo3_78416926_Full.jpg Errmmm... No.] Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.[[User talk:Thebigyeash|Thebigyeash]] 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


:The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see [http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_characterscale/index.html?char1=GruntArmor1-H1&char2=ODST-H2 this].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


ive heard grunts say that heaps of times.
== Unusual event ==


thugh just now i heard one say (im tryna see it suffocate) "IMA POP OPEN A CAN OF WHOOP-ASS" and a few minutes after it said "SUCK CRAP LIKE A RAT"
I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT)


=="they breathe methane rather than oxygen."==
:I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)


This must be an in-joke that they are a race of servile brown-nosers. Methane being a major component of flatulence. Saying grunts are "fart-whiffers" or the like. [[User:67.5.157.0|67.5.157.0]] 04:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
== Variants ==


no...not at all. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 03:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--[[User talk:Black kille|Black kille]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)


Uh... no, it's canon. They breathe methane gas, but the atmospheric kind. [[User:Evil Kiwi|Evil Kiwi]] 11:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST)


I've considered it, but I think it's more a scifi concept of aliens breathing a different gas. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


But it could also be a joke at the same time. It could serve both purposes, you know. But I suppose you only have to think of it that way if you want. Anyway, that's what the first guy was saying. It could be a joke as well as a fact in the Halo universe. <br /> --[[User:Jaeryd|Jaeryd]] 17:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
== RvB: Animated ==


== Special Operations Commander?? ==
Why does the gallery still feature the image from ''Red versus Blue: Animated''? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is ''not'' an official party. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson]] 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST)


Is this rank even exist? And did it even appears in Halo 2? We need proof, a picture or something........
== Curlback grunts ==


== Re: Spec Ops Grunts ==
Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer?  [[User talk:mrsupersauce|mrsupersauce]] 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST)


Well, there is such a thing as a special ops. grunt rank, there's an article on that.  But, seeing as how grunts are a subordinate race in the Covenant, they are usually commanded by elites and brutes, although some grunts like Yayap did command grunt forces.  Not entirely sure on that one.  If there is such a thing, then they certainly could not command anything other than their own race and jackals.
==Unggoy Philosophies?==
[[User:Covenant Ghost|Covenant Ghost]] 21:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


Well ultra grunts might be the special operations commander like the ultra elites are. The ultra grunt might be light the major grunt for special operations.
According to the ''Halo Encyclopedia'', one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
[[User:DilaBagomee|DilaBagomee]] 14:50, 08 July 2008


They say both of them.  The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3.  Vegerot goes RAWR!  [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT)


==second, third or even fourth?==


==Swearing Grunts==
I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST)
Maybe I'm interpreting what they say the wrong way, but have you guys ever played a Halo CE level and had a grunt shout "F*ck You!" while you are fighting them?
:No, the grunts in Halo 1 say "Hate you!" I know the line you're referring to. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 08:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::I think in Halo 3, they will sometimes say something like, "You big bastard!" [[User:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 12:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


== Sources gone ==


Err, the sources section is gone. [[User:Sor|Sor]] 08:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
==Inaccurate Main Image==


==Grunt population==
I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a [http://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_Storm Covenant Storm] grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. [[User talk:SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE|SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE]] 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
:Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
::Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)
It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT)


In the bonus dvd of Halo 3 legendary edition it is said that grunt population is estimated to be about
I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
4 hundred million(or something like that).That is a relatively small number,compared with
the Brutes population for instance ,which is estimated to be more than 12 billion.I don't think that this makes any sense given the fact that the Grunts are the base of the Covenant military force (in the game we encounter at least 3 grunts for every single Elite or Brute we have to eliminate).So one could suppose that their numbers should be greater. [[User:Ni9lson|Ni9lson]] 14:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)      
                                                   
                                                                                           


* You gotta remember, most Grunts likely live as slaves, with very, very few of them seeing much time on their homeworld.  My guess is that most living Grunts are in service(military, labor), while less amounts of other species are in military/labor roles. 
The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT)


[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 08:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --[[User talk:Cyrannian|Cyrannian]] 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
:It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate.  --[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)


==Grunt Strength/Physical Capabilites==
== Tier 4 ==


Right now, it says Grunts are a relatively weak species, but I have to disagree.  Strength wise, it would seem they are stronger than even Humans.  Look at how they carry Fuel Rod Cannons and the occasional Plasma Cannon(best seen on the Covenant, they don't use it like the Chieftains do, just run around scared) in Halo 3-with one arm. In Halo 2, I think they carry it with two.  Marines carry it with two, Elites carry it with one.  The novel described a situation where a Marine couldn't lift the FRC, although it doesn't make much sense when your average Marine in Halo 2/3 can.  Brutes carry it with two, but likely for better aim. It shouldn't be that surprising, as even smaller apes in real life like the chimpanzees have much more arm strength than that of a human.  Look it up. I think, however, Grunts may be too scared to use their strength or may not know their advantage over humans in this area, and are probably not as resilient as your average human(the games support this theory), or it could be that the methane suits hinder them quite a bit speed/strength/dexterity wise, like miniature Darth Vaders or something.  It could also be due to a lack of training, Grunts are more numerous than the other species and they're likely at the bottom of the training list because it might be a waste of resources to train them over Elites.
Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding.


I'm starting to ramble, just getting my two cents in.
PS: How do I sign my posts?{{Unsigned|The Master Builder}}


[[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 08:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:The [[Bestiarum]]: ''"It is still recovering from '''preactivation''' environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies."'' The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened.


I agree with you, another source comes from Halo: The Flood when a few grunts attack the Chief and almost drop a plasma 'nade in his suit. It was a close call for the Chief and shows that they are tough little critters and shouldn't be underestimated just because of their size.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:You can sign your posts with the third button from the top left of the editing field (the blue pencil right after the "'''B'''" and ''I''). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:28, 23 May 2014 (EDT)


You know, i've never thought of that. Now, i have a new found respect for the grunts. Imagine what thy could have done on their home planet![[PsychoThunder]]
== Subtypes  ==


Grunts lack strength and bravery mentally, at least, that's how i see it. That's why they need a leader in battle and why they cower when alone in battle. Heretic grunts don't cower, most likely because they realise their mental superiority over the Covenant grunts, and they also realise they are facing opposition far greater in size than they are, so their courage and bravery is much greater. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ha</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''lo'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''Du'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''de'''</font>]] 23:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy  and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet [[User:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|SLiD1nG Pr0Xy]] ([[User talk:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|talk]]) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT)


==Exploding Grunts==
== Graffix ==


Okay, under "Combating Grunts" is stays "In Halo 3, an attack will sometimes blow off the flimsy cover of a Grunt's methane tank, and may rupture the tank inside. The respirator can also be knocked off. This is fatal after a certain amount of time, but they will continue to fight. A leakage of methane gas can turn a situation perilous in the presence of a flame." On what level would you find both grunts, and something you could use to start a fire? In my experience, youre only given flamethrowers and firebomb gernades on levels with the flood. [[User:Zombee|Zombee]] 04:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Guys, dontcha think we should change the main picture of the Minor Grunt to a Minor Grunt from HCEA? Like, I think it's more detailed that way.


:Well in [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], grunt gas tanks blow up like a grenade when ruptured. But that wouldn't be balanced, so in the game you just knock them off. However, I personally have never seen a Grunt die of suffocation. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
== Main image. ==


 
Is there any particular reason why the Infinite Grunt hasn’t replaced the Halo 2 Anniversary Grunt in the main image section? It seems to me like it’s supposed to be the same type of Grunt. There is already a render being used on the Unggoy Conscript page that can be used. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 04:19, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
Yeah same here I shot one's tank off in [[The Storm (Level)|The Storm]] and the grunt kept on walking til I killed him like 10 second later, didn't even flinch.  Bungie probably just didn't design have a graphic for them suffocating. [[User:Spartansniper450|Spartansniper450]]
 
== grunt heads ==
 
what I find most perplexing is the fact that in halo ce, some grunts have pointed heads and some have more rounded heads. in halo two and three, they took out the pointy headed grunts. whats with that?
 
Yeah, and also, in Halo CE, there were grunts how had gas tanks that had rounded tips, but not in any other games. [[PsychoThunder]]
 
I hated the Round-Tops, as I call them, I always killed them and not the others. [[User:VanFlyhight|VanFlyhight]] 19:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 
Yeah, they say that the curl-backs might have had something to do with gender, but they had it figured out by Halo 2.[[User:Spartansniper450|Spartansniper450]]
 
== Matriarchal ==
 
Does anyone find it wierd that in the Bestiarium, it says that Grunts have a matriarchal society? It never once mentions this in any of the books. Could this perhaps be a typo? (After all, all it takes would be the change of one letter to change it to patriarchal) [[Image:Haloforgheisonvv4.gif|35px]] [[User:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>Stryker</b></span>]][[User talk:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>117</b></span>]][[Image:UNSCoH Dingo without letters.PNG|30px]] 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 
I find it all too believable. I mean, the males we see in the games don't seem too bright. Obviously, their females compensate... '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 
== 20 inch... penises? ==
 
Is this legit? Seems like vandalism, and if it's not, I'd LOVE to see the source, if only to laugh.
 
== Sick /\ ==
 
That's disgusting. Where did you hear that? Your sources are twisted and so are you for putting that filth on this page.
 
[[User:Matoro3311|<font color="00008B">Matoro3311</font>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Matoro3311|<font color="C0C0C0">"Shout At Me"</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Matoro3311|<font color="000080">"My Contribs"</font>]]</sub> 17:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Unusually....vicious ==
 
I have read a few articles about Grunts from Halo: Contact Harvest and have noticed that they seem to be unusually vicious in that book. I mean, one grunt tore a man's stomach apart for no apparent reason and another tried to bite into a man's neck. I wonder why these grunts are so aggressive, while the grunts in the games are quite cowardly. They seem to be a bit unpredictable, these grunts.
I'm just saying. :-) [[User:Sor|Sor]] 11:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 
Maybe they were terrified into agression by the brutes like an injured animal, or maybe brutes put something in the tanks. (Grunts on roids!!!!LOL)[[User:Spec-op sniper058|Spec-op sniper058]] 00:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Picture... ==
 
I took a neat picture of the general military role Grunts fill: Cannon Fodder. It is actually a picture of Grunts walking in a straight line in front of a Brute. I wished to put it on the page, but I don't want to replace any of the existing pictures. I also don't think there is really enough room...Where do I put my picture? Do I put it on at all? Please help!
-Mando345
 
== Grunt pics ==
 
I was thinking that to make the article better someone should get pics of all the grunt ranks from every game and put them on said article. Can not be me for I do not own an x-box and the computer version I play is on safe mode.
[[User:DilaBagomee|DilaBagomee]]
 
== sources ==
 
some of the sources are kinda scrambles, with the template being messed up.

Latest revision as of 03:19, March 13, 2022

Glowing[edit]

Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. FATGUNN 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Erroneous Height[edit]

The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. Errmmm... No. Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.Thebigyeash 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see this.- 5əb'7aŋk(7alk) 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Unusual event[edit]

I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--Blahmarrow 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

Variants[edit]

Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--Black kille 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)

Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- Forerunner 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST)


RvB: Animated[edit]

Why does the gallery still feature the image from Red versus Blue: Animated? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is not an official party. --"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST)

Curlback grunts[edit]

Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer? mrsupersauce 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST)

Unggoy Philosophies?[edit]

According to the Halo Encyclopedia, one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. Xamikaze330 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

They say both of them. The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot (talk) 21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

second, third or even fourth?[edit]

I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--Bdgroot-117 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST)


Inaccurate Main Image[edit]

I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a Covenant Storm grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.--Spartacus (Talk | Contribs) 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--Eipok Kruden 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)

It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar SPARTAN-347 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --ADinoSupremacist 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.ArchedThunder 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --Cyrannian 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate. --Eipok Kruden 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)

Tier 4[edit]

Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding.

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The Bestiarum: "It is still recovering from preactivation environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies." The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened.
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Subtypes[edit]

After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet SLiD1nG Pr0Xy (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT)

Graffix[edit]

Guys, dontcha think we should change the main picture of the Minor Grunt to a Minor Grunt from HCEA? Like, I think it's more detailed that way.

Main image.[edit]

Is there any particular reason why the Infinite Grunt hasn’t replaced the Halo 2 Anniversary Grunt in the main image section? It seems to me like it’s supposed to be the same type of Grunt. There is already a render being used on the Unggoy Conscript page that can be used. ArchedThunder (talk) 04:19, March 13, 2022 (EDT)

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