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Special Operations Commander[edit]

Is there a source that asserts he was in charge of all Covenant special forces? I came to doubt this because the Essential Visual Guide states he was merely Special Operations commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. It's possible he was promoted after the events of Installation 04, but if so, it's not mentioned in the visual guide.

That, and "Special Operations Commander of the Covenant" seems like it could be a fanon title - I recall he's only been called "Special Operations Commander". --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 13:55, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Seems like we're starting to reconsider the way we view the Covenant's armed forces. Perhaps you should start a forum on this?--The All-knowing Sith'ari 13:57, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

During the Halo 3: Essentials commentary for the opening cutscene of Sacred Icon, Jason Jones says something to the effect of, "There he is... Half-Jaw, the special operations commander of the Covenant." Jason Jones has never had much involvement with the Halo series' story, especially not since Halo 2's release. He has always been far more concerned with gameplay than with canon, and he has a bad habit of saying things simply because they sound cool. At no point has it been stated or even suggested that "Special Operations Commander of the Covenant" is a canon title. On a related note, when/where has Tartarus ever been called the "Chieftain of the Jiralhanae"?. —This unsigned comment was made by Braidenvl (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Tartarus' rank is seemingly derived from the final cinematic of Sacred Icon, where he proclaims himself to be "Chieftain of the Brutes" ("And I, Tartarus, Chieftain of the Brutes will send you to it") It does seem odd that such a tribal and disorganized species would have a proper leader, but perhaps it's a position born out of necessity to have someone represent them in the Covenant.

Coming back to the original subject, we could take Jones' comment at face value or not. It just seems a little strange if he was indeed in command of all Covenant special operations forces and the visual guide makes no mention of it. Still, he was apparently in an important position during the events of Halo 2, given his involvement in high-level politics. Either way, it's apparent that "Special Operations Commander of the Covenant" is merely a descriptor used by Jones and Rtas' actual rank is "Special Operations Commander".

As for a forum post on Covenant military restructuring, I'll get working on that. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 11:43, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

On a side note, according to the Tartarus page on the Essential Visual Guide, he is "Chieftain of the Jiralhanae". Looking forward to the end of this discussion in the forums. —S331

_{(When I played Halo: CE, we didn't have any fancy-shmancy armor abilities...)} 12:00, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Put his alternate name "Half-Jaw" in the first sentence or the info box[edit]

His nick name "Half-Jaw" is now canon as shown in Halo: Shadow of Intent's description “ After decades of grim combat against the humans and then the traitorous Covenant Prophets, the Sangheili warrior Rtas ‘Vadum—the Half-Jaw—has earned a long rest. But not all of the Prophets perished in their holy city, High Charity, and now one of their fearsome Prelates has sworn his vengeance. This powerful threat has set a cataclysmic plan in motion—a plan to lure the Half-Jaw into a trap that will herald the utter destruction of the entire Sangheili race…[4] ” —This unsigned comment was made by Editorguy (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Half-Jaw is just used because anyone who just plays the games won't know him by any other name. The nickname "Half-Jaw" has been canon since Halo 2 and we mention it in the "Physical appearance" section, so it should be covered well enough. --NightHammer^(talk)^(contribs) 21:50, 4 October 2015 (EDT)

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-== Modded picture? ==
+{{Archived}}
-I think that somebody should change the main picture of half-jaw back to one of him in campaign mode, the modded one doesn't ever look like him I think, plus the swords look WAY more fake then the real ones.
+== Special Operations Commander ==
-Please discuss.
+Is there a source that asserts he was in charge of ''all'' Covenant special forces? I came to doubt this because the ''Essential Visual Guide'' states he was merely Special Operations commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice. It's possible he was promoted after the events of Installation 04, but if so, it's not mentioned in the visual guide.
-[[User:Jpb1719|Jpb1719]] 17:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
+That, and "[[Special Operations Commander of the Covenant]]" seems like it could be a fanon title - I recall he's only been called "Special Operations Commander". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:55, 29 August 2011 (EDT)
+:Seems like we're starting to reconsider the way we view the Covenant's armed forces. Perhaps you should start a forum on this?--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari|The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari]] 13:57, 29 August 2011 (EDT)
-:I believe the only modding done to the swords is that a reverse image is now in his left hand. Otherwise, it looks like normal Halo 2 swords. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
+::During the ''Halo 3: Essentials'' commentary for the opening cutscene of ''Sacred Icon'', Jason Jones says something to the effect of, ''"There he is... Half-Jaw, the special operations commander of the Covenant."'' Jason Jones has never had much involvement with the ''Halo'' series' story, especially not since ''Halo 2'''s release. He has always been far more concerned with gameplay than with canon, and he has a bad habit of saying things simply because they sound cool. At no point has it been stated or even suggested that "Special Operations Commander of the Covenant" is a canon title. On a related note, when/where has Tartarus ''ever'' been called the "Chieftain of the Jiralhanae"?. {{Unsigned|Braidenvl}}
-== Name Change ==
+:::Tartarus' rank is seemingly derived from the final cinematic of ''Sacred Icon'', where he proclaims himself to be "Chieftain of the Brutes" (''"And I, Tartarus, Chieftain of the Brutes will send you to it"'') It does seem odd that such a tribal and disorganized species would have a proper leader, but perhaps it's a position born out of necessity to have someone represent them in the Covenant.
-The Graphic Novel states that Half-Jaw/Spec Ops Commander are both Rtas 'Vadumee. The title should be changed.
+:::Coming back to the original subject, we could take Jones' comment at face value or not. It just seems a little strange if he was indeed in command of ''all'' Covenant special operations forces and the visual guide makes no mention of it. Still, he was apparently in an important position during the events of ''Halo 2'', given his involvement in high-level politics. Either way, it's apparent that "Special Operations Commander of the Covenant" is merely a descriptor used by Jones and Rtas' actual rank is "Special Operations Commander".
-:Where? I was looking at this page last night and was surprised to see "Half-Jaw" with a name, so I checked here and saw that it was supposed to be in the HGN. I figured Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor, but I looked through that whole story and never saw the name Rtas 'Vadumee. Can you give me a page number where "Half-Jaw" is mentioned by name?
+:::As for a forum post on Covenant military restructuring, I'll get working on that. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 11:43, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
-::The intro on page 6. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 00:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
-== Shorthand name ==
+:::On a side note, according to the Tartarus page on the Essential Visual Guide, he is "Chieftain of the Jiralhanae". Looking forward to the end of this discussion in the forums. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|When I played Halo: CE]], [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|we didn't have any fancy-shmancy armor abilities...]])</sub> 12:00, 31 August 2011 (EDT)
-It's been established in Halo: The Flood that Elites shorten their names to the second part. If you're going to shorten his name, it will be "'Vadumee", not "Rtas". -[[User:ED|ED]] 15:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
+== Put his alternate name "Half-Jaw" in the first sentence or the info box ==
-==Name==
+His nick name "Half-Jaw" is now canon as shown in Halo: Shadow of Intent's description “ 	After decades of grim combat against the humans and then the traitorous Covenant Prophets, the Sangheili warrior Rtas ‘Vadum—the Half-Jaw—has earned a long rest. But not all of the Prophets perished in their holy city, High Charity, and now one of their fearsome Prelates has sworn his vengeance. This powerful threat has set a cataclysmic plan in motion—a plan to lure the Half-Jaw into a trap that will herald the utter destruction of the entire Sangheili race…[4] 	”  {{Unsigned|Editorguy}}
-When is his name revealed? One of the books? Also, how is it pronounced? [[User:Salty|Salty]] 05:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
-:His name is apparently revealed in Halo Graphic Novel, since there's a story with him in it. I'd pronounce it with a gentle 'r' (lower case) sound at the beginning and then the rest as it's spelt. I know it could be a problem if you're not used to pronouncing funny words. [[User:J.f|J.f]] 4 September 10:31
+:Half-Jaw is just used because anyone who just plays the games won't know him by any other name. The nickname "Half-Jaw" has been canon since ''Halo 2'' and we mention it in the "Physical appearance" section, so it should be covered well enough. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 21:50, 4 October 2015 (EDT)
-::I don't see how to pronounce the R without a vowel on either side, and say "er-tas" even though I know it's probably inaccurate. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 10:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
-:::Hah hah, I have always pronounced it with emphasis on the R. To me it sounds like AR-tas. -[[User:ED|ED]] 01:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-::::To be honest sometimes i pronounce it artas because it's easier -J.f
-:::::Am i the only one to pronuonce it like "Retas"?
-::::::Quite probably. I personally say er-tas, er not like heir, but like ur, not sure if that's what DC meant or not. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">g</font><font color="#770000"><sup>u</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">e</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>s</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">t</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">p</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>e</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">r</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>s</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">o</font><font color="#000066"><sub>n</sub></font><font color="#000000">y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>t</sup></font><font color="#007700">h</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>i</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">n</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">y</font>]]''' 03:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
-:::::::No, I pronounce it Retas too.--[[User:Lieutenant Alan|Lieutenant Alan]] 11:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Too many quotes!!! ==
-So many quotes make it look to tacky--[[User:207.28.99.145|207.28.99.145]] 18:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
-:I contributed some of his quotes, but only the "quotish" sounding ones. I was ''not'' the person who included the quotes of every single thing he ever said in the "Heretic" and "Oracle" missions and I think somebody should get rid of some of them. -[[User:J.f]]
-::Okay, I removed some of the quotes just now but it still might need trimming a bit --.[[User:J.f|J.f]] 19:29 25 September 2006
-==Removed Quotes==
-*"Even now they use our lords' creations to broadcast their lies!"
-*"Bring the Phantoms closer to mine. We're not leaving until the leader of these heretics is dead. Arbiter, the Flood have spread throughout the station! We don't have enough troops to manage such a large infestation."
-*"The storm has masked our approach, and it should have their local battlenet in disarray."
-*"Are you still alive, Arbiter? We're keeping pace as best we can!"
-== Served on the fleet of Particular Justice? ==
-Source? --[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 06:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
-It's in the comic. --[[User:Donut THX 1138|'''Councilor 'Nodotee''']] [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [[User talk:Donut THX 1138 |<sup>[BattleNet]</sup>]] 13:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
-==Picture==
-Um, that picture at the bottom is definitely not on Installation 05. [[User:Irkallabyss|Irkallabyss]]
-:It looks like it's the Quarantine Zone. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
-== Eye color ==
-For your information, all elites have a distinct eye color. The only reason why and elites eye color apears to be brown or black is because of how they are wearing eye pieces or eye patches used for targeting and zooming. Since they wear an eye patch, unless you could remove them, all sangheili eyes will apear to be black or dark brown. To prove this, on the very first cutscene in halo 2 before the level The armory, in the council meeting to determine the fate of the future arbiter, look at the arbiters eyes and you will notice they are black. That helps prove that elites do wear eyes pieces as when arbiter recieves his ceremonial armor he is no longer wearing his eye pieces therefor, his eyes are an amber and orange. -- [[User:Halo3]] 01:05, 25 December 2006
-== Half Jaw on The Oracle ==
-That is not level oracle.--Halo3
-:What isn't? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">g</font><font color="#770000"><sup>u</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">e</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>s</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">t</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">p</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>e</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">r</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>s</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">o</font><font color="#000066"><sub>n</sub></font><font color="#000000">y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>t</sup></font><font color="#007700">h</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>i</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">n</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">y</font>]]''' 03:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Actor ==
-I was wondering why the actor who plays the voice of Rtas 'Vadumee isn't on the page?--[[User:The Chazz025]] and [[User:The Chazz025/Taliban Command (Tango Company)|Clan]] [[User:The Chazz025/Razu'Kuzumee|<sup>[Razu'Kuzumee]</sup>]] 01:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
-:Because this is just about his role in Halo, not anything technical about the model or voice actor or anything. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">g</font><font color="#770000"><sup>u</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">e</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>s</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">t</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">p</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>e</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">r</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>s</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">o</font><font color="#000066"><sub>n</sub></font><font color="#000000">y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>t</sup></font><font color="#007700">h</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>i</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">n</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">y</font>]]''' 03:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
-== Sword picture ==
-Oh, I didn't notice this was the article it was on, and that's why it said that... well, it was shortened wrong anyway, and there's no harm done in calling him Half-Jaw every once in a while. I think. '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000">g</font><font color="#770000"><sup>u</sup></font><font color="#cc0000">e</font><font color="#ff0000"><sub>s</sub></font><font color="#ff3333">t</font><font color="#ff6666"><sup>y</sup></font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#9999ff">p</font><font color="#6666ff"><sub>e</sub></font><font color="#3333ff">r</font><font color="#0000ff"><sup>s</sup></font><font color="#0000cc">o</font><font color="#000066"><sub>n</sub></font><font color="#000000">y</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="#000000"><sup>t</sup></font><font color="#007700">h</font><font color="#00cc00"><sub>i</sub></font><font color="#00ff00">n</font><font color="#44ff44"><sup>g</sup></font><font color="#99ff99">y</font>]]''' 03:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
-== left handed ==
-he is not the only character to hold his weapon in his left hand, jackals hold their weapons in their left hand as well. [[User:Phil.e.|<font color=silver>The</font>]] [[User talk:Phil.e.|<font color=silver>Lieutenant</font>]] [[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color=silver>General</font>]] 14:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
-The Arbiter also holds his weapon in his left hand once. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP2Ge70TLko&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhalo%2Ewikia%2Ecom%2Fwiki%2FHalo%5F2%5FCinematic%5FCutscenes Watch this.] [[User:AlphaPrime|AlphaPrime]] 23:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
-== Vadum? ==
-Since when did he get a name change?
-                        [[User:Ilikeme101|Ilikeme101]] 05:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
-Since the Covenant Civil War. Look at the reference on his name. - [[User:49_Harboring_Enmity|49_Harboring_Enmity]] 23:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
-that is purely conjecture it may have been simply a typo this has not been confirmed by anyone. [[User:Ralok|Ralok]] 00:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
-== Hmmm... ==
-Isn't it weird that 'Vadum said that the Arbiter's life means nothing to him, even thoug the Arbiter is the leader of 3/4 (4 being controlled by Prophets) of the entire Covenant? And also that 'Vadum and the Arbiter became good friends at the end/around of Halo 2, yet he does not take his statement back? - Just a guest.
-Vadum did not die he is the Shipmaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC7Fukxe2tM
-Look at his left mandibles he is the shipmaster of the Assult Carrier
-== Uhh... ==
-Has anyone noticed that in Halo 3 we can play 4 characters in co-op. Why isn't Vadum a character! Now we are stuck with two other guys im sure we are all clueless about!--[[User:The evil O,malley|The Evil O&#39;malley]] 19:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)