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== Covenant empire symbol == | == Covenant empire symbol == | ||
Shouldn't the article be using [[File: | Shouldn't the article be using [[File:Halo1 - Covenant Symbol.png|100px]]? Or at least display it? [[Special:Contributions/98.24.14.97|98.24.14.97]] 09:33, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
Furthemore, shouldn't there be an article on the various covie glyphs we see? Not the forerunner ones, but like the ones seen on ghosts, wraiths and the weapons. [[Special:Contributions/98.24.14.97|98.24.14.97]] 09:35, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | Furthemore, shouldn't there be an article on the various covie glyphs we see? Not the forerunner ones, but like the ones seen on ghosts, wraiths and the weapons. [[Special:Contributions/98.24.14.97|98.24.14.97]] 09:35, 18 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
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With regards to Fleet Battle showing the Covenant Empire with that logo, that is not a valid source for several reasons. For one, it mixes both Human-Covenant War era (Halo: Contact Harvest-Halo 3) art and designs as well as some post-war era (Halo 4 onwards) art and designs. Since it features post war art designs during the Human Covenant war era, post war images such as that symbol attributed to the post-war Covenant can not be taken as accurate. Also because this is a third party board game, its canon-ness can not take priority over a full fleged game's canon (Halo 1-3, including anniversaries). Halo 4 and 5 depict the post war Covenant, which is an entirely different faction.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 08:07, 23 November 2015 (EST) | With regards to Fleet Battle showing the Covenant Empire with that logo, that is not a valid source for several reasons. For one, it mixes both Human-Covenant War era (Halo: Contact Harvest-Halo 3) art and designs as well as some post-war era (Halo 4 onwards) art and designs. Since it features post war art designs during the Human Covenant war era, post war images such as that symbol attributed to the post-war Covenant can not be taken as accurate. Also because this is a third party board game, its canon-ness can not take priority over a full fleged game's canon (Halo 1-3, including anniversaries). Halo 4 and 5 depict the post war Covenant, which is an entirely different faction.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 08:07, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ||
:There's been plenty of other media that mixed post-war designs, such as ''Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn''. The mixing of designs make sense; much of Jul's Covenant equipment has been old war armor and weapons, with some like [[ | :There's been plenty of other media that mixed post-war designs, such as ''Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn''. The mixing of designs make sense; much of Jul's Covenant equipment has been old war armor and weapons, with some like [[Ru'swum-pattern Phantom|their Phantoms]] being noted to have an earlier fabrication date. As for having the same logo, that also makes sense; {{Plain|[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/canon-fodder-puzzled-expression Jul considers his Covenant to be the same as the original]}} and therefore they would use the same insignia. Even though the logo has been introduced in recent fiction rather than past Halo games, that doesn't mean it isn't valid. New fiction supersedes old, most of the time. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 14:00, 22 November 2015 (EST) | ||
::The concept of newer fiction superseding old would make sense if for example Halo Anniversary or Halo 2 Anniversary depicted the Covenant with that symbol, but it does not. Halo 4/Halo 5 using a Covenant symbol depicting the Covenant does not apply to the Original Covenant, as Halo 4/Halo 5 never depicts the Original Covenant, it depicts Jul's New Covenant which is an entirely different group. The only new fiction the depicts the Original Covenant with that Symbol is Halo: Fleet Battles, wich is a board game. Here is the issue. | ::The concept of newer fiction superseding old would make sense if for example Halo Anniversary or Halo 2 Anniversary depicted the Covenant with that symbol, but it does not. Halo 4/Halo 5 using a Covenant symbol depicting the Covenant does not apply to the Original Covenant, as Halo 4/Halo 5 never depicts the Original Covenant, it depicts Jul's New Covenant which is an entirely different group. The only new fiction the depicts the Original Covenant with that Symbol is Halo: Fleet Battles, wich is a board game. Here is the issue. | ||
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::Remember this, http://www.halopedia.org/Halopedia:Canon_policy#Hierarchy_of_canon. Halo Wars, Reach, 1-3's depiction of the Covenant Empire (Halo 4 and 5 doesn't depict the Covenant Empire btw, it depicts Jul's Covenant) is more canon than the depiction in Halo: Fleet Battles. Games supersede BoardGames and third party stuff in the Hierarchy of Canon. Because Halo Wars-Halo 3 are games, their representation of the Covenant takes canon over the Halo: Fleet Battles representation of the Covenant. http://www.halopedia.org/Halopedia:Canon_policy#Hierarchy_of_canon.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 08:04, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ::Remember this, http://www.halopedia.org/Halopedia:Canon_policy#Hierarchy_of_canon. Halo Wars, Reach, 1-3's depiction of the Covenant Empire (Halo 4 and 5 doesn't depict the Covenant Empire btw, it depicts Jul's Covenant) is more canon than the depiction in Halo: Fleet Battles. Games supersede BoardGames and third party stuff in the Hierarchy of Canon. Because Halo Wars-Halo 3 are games, their representation of the Covenant takes canon over the Halo: Fleet Battles representation of the Covenant. http://www.halopedia.org/Halopedia:Canon_policy#Hierarchy_of_canon.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 08:04, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ||
:::I'm not sure why invoke the hierarchy of canon when there is no evident contradiction in the first place. ''Halos'' 1-3 and ''Reach'' do ''not'' depict any symbol that can be conclusively identified as the official emblem of the Covenant at all while ''Fleet Battles'' does. In the absence of any hypothetical symbol that may be different from the one from ''Fleet Battles'' (the existence of which you're only ''assuming'') I don't see why not just use the one we have. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"> | :::I'm not sure why invoke the hierarchy of canon when there is no evident contradiction in the first place. ''Halos'' 1-3 and ''Reach'' do ''not'' depict any symbol that can be conclusively identified as the official emblem of the Covenant at all while ''Fleet Battles'' does. In the absence of any hypothetical symbol that may be different from the one from ''Fleet Battles'' (the existence of which you're only ''assuming'') I don't see why not just use the one we have. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue">'''Jugus'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:01, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ||
::What Jugus said. Regardless if Fleet Battles is a board game, under 343's rules it is just as canon as the rest of the universe, unlike Bungie-era [[Halo Interactive Strategy Game]], which makes up its own scenarios. Last month 343 was posting up a ton of media and backstory for Fleet Battles on [[Canon Fodder]]. It is entirely canon and so should be treated in the same way. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:29, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ::What Jugus said. Regardless if Fleet Battles is a board game, under 343's rules it is just as canon as the rest of the universe, unlike Bungie-era [[Halo Interactive Strategy Game]], which makes up its own scenarios. Last month 343 was posting up a ton of media and backstory for Fleet Battles on [[Canon Fodder]]. It is entirely canon and so should be treated in the same way. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:29, 23 November 2015 (EST) | ||