Talk:Daisy-023

Trading Cards

Could we please have confirmation on this please? Lauren claims that the unnamed SPARTAN-II is called Daisy-023 and was born in Harvest. The SPARTAN-II's place of birth was then said to be in Sargasso, an edit made by TDSpiral.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 17:40, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well I've asked Lauren about this, and she claims these "trading cards" are legit, and did post and image of one of these alleged cards (as seen to the right). I'd just like to know where all this new info on Homecoming is coming from anyway. - Halo-343 (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits) 17:49, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Problem is why post that particular card and not the Spartan?- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 17:54, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea. Maybe it wasn't available at that time, or something? - Halo-343 (Talk) (Contribs) (Edits) 18:27, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Found out where the cards are from. It's part of a promo on Facebook for Halo Legends, so they aren't tangible, but they do include like little tidbits and things. I noticed that we also have the names of at least two characters from Legends spelt wrong (specifically Rol, actually spelt and pronounced: Roh/O'Brian, actually spelt: O'Brien).

Actually,

Daisy023card

At the time being, I did not have the card on hand until now, I was observing a friend's, but if I must prove 'this' to you, then I will gladly accomodate you.

SGT. Howers is another character on "Homecoming"

And As for how lagitament it is, this came straight from the site.

Lauren Spartan177 22:31, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for supplying the image... This leads to another question; Harvest or Sargossa?- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 22:43, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

*Possible Spoilers* In the episode, Daisy goes back home to find her parents on Sargasso. I guess it could be possible that they moved to Sargasso from Harvest, but it seems unlikely since she is able to recognize the area. --TDSpiral94 00:42, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

It is also possible that her family moved to Sargasso right after she was born on Harvest.- 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 00:47, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Good point, but it just seems kind of weird that the card would make no mention of Sargasso at all. That's where like half of the episode takes place. --TDSpiral94 01:15, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed,

I'm going to have a free day tomorrow, if you can tell me were you got the other planet from, I'll look into it. Lauren Spartan177 23:18, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sargasso is mentioned in the episode.--TDSpiral94 01:12, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Speculations

This is just a thoughtm, but its possible she was born on Harvest, and her clone (I'm assuming that was who she was aiming the gun at in the trailer) later moved to that planet-and further more, was that clone in a wheel chair, 'cause it looked like that to me, and I was just wondering was that caused by Covenant, or by the flash cloning proccess? Lauren Spartan177 02:21, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

SPOILERS I've seen the whole episode, and I can tell you that Daisy had no idea that she had a clone to replace her. She thought her parents were looking for her for the seven years that she was gone (so she's about 13-14 years old when Daisy accidentally meets her clone, and apparently she's already gone through augmentations). She knew where her old home was, so I don't think it's possible that the clone moved to Sargasso from Harvest. I guess you could argue that she found out where her parents moved to from a computer system or something, but I'm quite sure they would've included that in the episode if that was the case. By the way, where did those cards come from? --TDSpiral94 02:39, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

How could you have seen the whole episode? It hasn't been released yet. EchostreamFanJosh

It's the internet, you can find loads of videos released earlier than expected.外国人^(7alk) 03:42, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Let's just say I found it. Which is my not-so-subtle way of saying that I watched a leaked version and decided to get an "unofficial sneak peek". Someone posted about a leak on HBO, and I got too excited to wait. If you feel my morality is questionable, then I'll have you know that I have pre-ordered Halo Legends already and intend on buying two versions of the collection. (If you just think I'm a bastard, then I respect your opinion too.) --TDSpiral94 03:35, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I've seen the entirety of it as well, and I must say that I am glad that I preordered a copy. This episode was quite immerssive and touching, which is impressive for something that only lasts for about 12 or so minutes. Studio I.G. showed their skills in that regard. As before, the ability to relate to the main character approached, for me at least, an emotional and contextual level that none of the novels were able to provide.

This is one of the qualities of anime that when done properly, is quite good at connecting the viewer and the fictional worlds they see on-screen. In that regard, this episode and the majority of the others succeeded.

There are certain things that are merely artistic flourishes, such as the overall appearance of Daisy's armor, and what appears to be a Halo in the sky at one point. While that particular thing might seem like a gross violation of canon, it is likely just a little visual easter egg that has no actual presence in the story, so there is no point in getting worked up over it. It is very clear from watching the episode that there is no Halo Ring in the sky; it is just a visual touch that has no meaning beyond a symbolic one, as if showing how the Halos affect and surround everything that has transpired.

From a canon standpoint, however, the material in this episode will certainly raise an eyebrow or two, not to mention vast amounts of indignation, rage, and vitriol. Fortunately or not, depending on one's point of view, this is not an issue that 343 Industries has ignored, for if I am not mistaken, they stated a few months back that certain canonical revisions relating to the SPARTAN-II roster had been put in place, and would be seen at some point in the future.

It should be interesting to see how this fits into the canon, and I look forward to seeing their fruits of their efforts. --Exalted Obliteration 23:12, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Really Master Chief?

Are we absolutely sure that Master CHief was the one who found Daisy. I don't remember hearing or reading anything that placed John on Harvest, either the first or second battle. I'm simply wondering if it wasn't another SPARTAN-II. User:Gunner ZenZaku 03:37, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Frankie confirmed it...外国人^(7alk) 03:47, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy is awesome!

Yeah I know I might be a noob at the Halo storyline, but after watching Halo Legends I gotta say Daisy really made me see Spartans as characters with personalities and not shallow machines. I never found anything interesting about Spartans personalities like Master Chief, until Daisy, I even made my Spartan online exactly like her, complete with a daisy emblem. So if anybody knows a Spartan with as much character as Daisy or more please tell me.—This unsigned comment was made by Smashbros101 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

Read the novels and you'll go "Meh" at this lame episode.外国人^(7alk) 04:20, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lol I know I suck, but I actually liked all the episodes, except for Odd One Out which was disgusting....

I have read the books, and i watched halo legends. I think halo legends was pretty good dispite all of its flaws, and flaws it had aplenty, then again so did the books in fact the books had an irrational number of flaws. `68.61.39.252 10:13, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy's death location is Sargasso, NOT Harvest

With the release of Silent Storm and the mentions of Daisy's death in the battle of Harvest, I recalled we had a conversation long ago on HBO regarding this canon fact, and we came to the conclusion that the Homecoming episode takes place not in Harvest in 2530 as the trading cards noted, which is an already dodgy canon source, but instead took place in Sargasso, most likely the Battle of Sargasso in 2546.

This is the thread in question where we took notes and compared.

To put a few pointers on why we came to believe it is Sargasso and not Harvest:

• Harvest has no moons at all, which would make a major canon inconsistency if it turned out to be so. They are present throughout the episode.
• She is mentioned to be a Chief Petty Officer in Homecoming, which would make her rise in ranks by 2530 just as meteoric as that of the Master Chief. It would make a lot more sense for her to have gained it as normal over the years by 2546, rather than the circumstances of John's promotion repeating.
• In addition to the former point, she turned out NOT to be a team leader, and instead Joshua is one, which cripples the possibility of her having had a reason to be promoted just as fast as the Master Chief. Likewise, it would be more logical for her to gain rank over time.
• Daisy's face shape as her teenage self is quite distinct from the one she has as a full-grown Spartan. Whereas her teenage self as a rounded face and bigger eyes, her adult self has a sharper head, smaller eyes, slightly different skin color, and longer hair. An artistic style in anime to denote age in general.
• The palm trees shown in the city ruins for the concept art for Halo: Homecoming are remarkably similar to the flora that exists in the flashbacks to Daisy's episode, implying that the location itself is the very same in which Daisy fights in -- Sargasso.
• In the episode Homecoming, after the report of a lost unit, Daisy and Sgt. Howser come to the conclusion that the planet was finished, when the battle of Harvest, at the time, was about to be retaken by Cole. It would make more sense for it to be Sargasso itself as another lost planet out of many.
• The Trading Cards are an incredibly dodgy canon source present before the episode itself, as they stated the world she was born in was Harvest, until the episode contradicted it and mentioned it was Sargasso, so it is easier to assume the cards were decanonized long after Halo: Legends itself was released.
• As noted in the HBO thread, the location of both the station where Daisy's squadron was going to be evacuated, and her old childhood home, are quite too similar, and likely the result of a glassing.
• The narration in Homecoming never explicitly mentions the location present-day Daisy is in, which leaves the viewers to assume it is Sargasso.
• As somebody else mentioned on Discord, the opening narration to Homecoming mentions the Outer Colonies are gone by then, which places the episode at least in 2535, by which time Harvest had long since lost its strategic value.

--Jaydee (talk) 15:38, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

Yeah. I wouldn't put much stock to the trading cards at this point, considering their obscurity - or the fact they also claim Harvest as being Daisy's homeworld. It's likely that the planet in Homecoming was meant to be Harvest at one point during the episode's development (or there was a miscommunication between the episode's writers and the people making the cards), but all the evidence you've outlined makes it very unlikely for that to still be the case. Even something like the presence of moons (apparently heavily urbanized ones, no less) alone would disprove the planet being Harvest in my book. --Tacitus (talk) 16:16, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

Agreed, cards aren't exactly trustworthy. --NightHammer^{(talk)(contribs)} 16:33, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

But if its the only source on something shouldnt we use it with a note saying it may not be accurate. The cards like were the first source on a lot of stuff prior to other lore confirming it.-CIA391 (talk) 16:56, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

The cards, which also are what gace us the name Sargasso and Daisy-023 to begin with, expliciatally ID the planet they're fighting on as Harvest. In 2531. When Daisy is about 20 years old. So yeah, obviously her face is different. Yes, the moon is an error but so is the Halo ring in the sky over Reach in the episode. The narration does not automatically mean that the setting of the following story is at least a decade into the war.~~TheEld

Here is Grims response. https://twitter.com/GrimBrotherOne/status/1038898982880047104?s=19 Aka the planet is unknown and this means Daisys life can very much expand to a loy later than we originally expected.-CIA391 (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2018 (EDT)

Well, then. I guess that means while we can't say she died on Sargasso, it's not necessarily Harvest either and could be at any point in the war. The best solution is probably to leave the location and time undefined in here and all relevant articles, as well as explain the issue in more detail in a note (i.e. the cards say Harvest, but aren't necessarily reliable as they also claim Harvest is Daisy's homeworld, the presence of moons, etc. in addition to Grim's statement about the location being vague). --Tacitus (talk) 01:53, 10 September 2018 (EDT)