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Population[edit]

The Essential Visual Guide lists the population of High Charity as 23,831,346. But according to the Bestiarum, this refers to the total San'Shyuum population (hence the distinction between "at reseeding" and "currently") and not the whole of High Charity (which would obviously include numerous members of other species). Thus the Visual Guide's population figure should be considered erroneous, or referring only to the San'Shyuum living in the city. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT)

I may be mistaken as to intent, but I think the interpretation of the content of the Bestiarum was not to imply the Prophet species numbered 23,831,346, but that it was indeed the total population of High Charity with all its constituent races. The world log off to the side of each page is referring to the population of each world, in this case High Charity, as it's the only viable 'homeworld' to list for the Prophets now. So even though the page is about the San'Shyuumm, the population figure is for all of High Charity, not just the Prophet portion. For example, we know there exists more Sangheili colonies than just their homeworld. The Bestiarum entry on the Elites refers to Sanghelios as a population of 8.135 billion. This is just the population of the planet, not just the Sangheili residents. Any Unggoy or Jiralhanae servants would be counted among that population number. There'd similarly be other Sangheili on other colonies that are not reflected in that number. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2014 (EST)

I did consider that, but then Contact Harvest states that there were "a little more than twenty million" San'Shyuum in the Covenant, which would nicely correlate with the Bestiarum's figure; since most of the Prophets are known to live in High Charity, this would make the population of other species in High Charity almost nonsensically small, particularly given the Unggoy practically own the lower districts. The point about the population figures referring to the worlds, not species, is valid for the most part, though the "Uncategorized"/Reclaimer entry uses Earth's "sudden change" population (or what was intended to be the remaining human population at the time) instead of that of Eridanus II, which the other stats refer to. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 00:07, 10 December 2014 (EST)

I can understand what you're saying. I guess all I can offer is that the Contact Harvest info and the Bestiarum info were known when the Visual Guide's value was decided. Perhaps the figures of the San'Shyuum numbers mentioned in Contact Harvest were era-dependent. How far back was that referenced. I can't check the novel at the moment. The High Charity figure would coincide with Halo 3, or 2552. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2014 (EST)

Contact Harvest page 262 offers the following: "There were a little more than twenty million San'Shyuum in the Covenant. Not a very large number compared to the faith's billions of adherents. But it was significantly more than the thousand or so individuals who had fled the San'Shyuum's distant homeworld long ago." Since this is circa 2525 timeline-wise, there would inevitably be some change in their population in 27 years, if not anything dramatic. But if the population number was actually discussed during the creation of the Visual Guide, I trust you had your reasons. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 01:48, 11 December 2014 (EST)

I suppose the first assumption made was that the Bestiarum was correct in its value of High Charity's population as of 2552, presumably when the information was presented by whatever Forerunner AI that compiled it. I think that was the starting point and that all other info would have to conform in some fashion later. I still think it's fine to question this, but I'm confident that 343i could come up with some plausible scenarios to explain any perceived discrepancy. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 07:26, 11 December 2014 (EST)

New Image?[edit]

Should we update this page with a new image from AnniversaryLord 'Themee (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2014 (EST)

Do we have a decent image of High Charity? -- SFH (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2014 (EST)

Not really. This one isn't bad, but its eclipsed. Plus the battle going on overhead probably isn't helpful. We have these two, but neither are really the focus of the image. There might be a decent one somewhere in the terminals or the new Blur cutscenes, but I haven't looked. - NightHammer (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2014 (EST)

This would be a good one. From here.--TDSpiral94 (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)

While I'd prefer an image with a proper background and environment for context, it's indeed quite good. That portfolio seems to have more useful stuff as well. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 13:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)

I agree with Jugus. It would be ideal to get one with a proper background, but I'm not entirely sure if that's possible. So this would be a good alternative. If no one else disagrees, I can upload it. - NightHammer (talk) 19:15, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Holy Cow, that is a good one. Lucky find there, I'd definitely use that as well.262VigilantGuardian (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2014 (EST)

Italicization[edit]

I don't recall "High Charity" being italicized in any official media, whether from the Bungie days or from 343i. It seems we took to italicizing the name because the city is mobile, not unlike a giant ship. Any thoughts? --Our answer is at hand. (Talk to me.) 12:35, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I agree. In most novels, ships are italicized but High Charity isn't. It's probably best to remove the italicization. --NightHammer^(talk)^(contribs) 12:41, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Yes, I think it should be changed. Like NightHammer said, High Charity isn't italicized in the books, and it isn't italicized in the Halo Waypoint universe article either. -- Topal the Pilot

(Talk|Contribs) 19:08, 3 October 2015 (EDT)

Mythos[edit]

Page 112 of Mythos has a layout of High Charity with several locations being marked, I cannot make heads or tails of these terms. Is it just me or did I miss several things? Col. Snipes 4 50 00:41, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

Post them if you want help from people who do not own them. Alertfiend - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. (Converse) 01:22, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

Just my two cents.Lord Susto 01:34, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

Eye of Kel (Kel 'Darsam) - an observatory for San'shyuum priests? augurs were roman religious officials who observed birds and interpreted the will of gods.
Balustrade of Glory - some kind of balcony or deck. Im guessing Penumbra the Worthy is a notable covenant figure likely Sangheili. we can only wonder what the title of Haven Master actually means.
Lances of the Faithful - I get the impression it has something to do with plasma cannons.

Susto - I was thinking the same thing about Eye of Kel, also Plaon's Gaze is taken from Janjur Qom's moon. Alertfiend - Top to bottom: Fount of Light, Plaon's Gaze, Skin of the First Worlds, Eye of Kel, Balustrade of Glory, Spires of Gifting, Spine of the Gods, Lances of the Faithful. The main thing is I don't know if these terms are referring to the sections they point to, Plaon's Gaze and Skin of the First Worlds both point to the dome of High Charity. Col. Snipes 4 50 01:48, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

Eye of Kel is a large starship-sized airlock that allows ships access to the interior. I'm not as sure of the others to offer an opinion as yet, but if I find out more specifics I'll either edit or mention it here. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 12:53, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

Let's change from ship infobox to megastructure infobox?[edit]

Because it's an artificial planet, simplistic compared to the forerunner ones but it still counts.Editorguy (talk) 19:32, 16 September 2016 (EDT)

Since it's mobile, one can just as easily categorize it as a really big ship. The ship infobox does a better job of conveying the information we have on High Charity than the megastructure one would, and it doesn't actually call it a ship at any point in any case, so I see no reason to change it. --Jugus (talk) 10:12, 18 September 2016 (EDT)

Is High Charity the largest?[edit]

"High Charity is, so far, the largest non-Forerunner construct seen in the Halo franchise."

Would the star roads not be considered "constructs?" Certainly they were much larger. TheArb1ter117 (talk) 02:00, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

The spirit of the sentence is certainly true, though you're right that the technicalities are less so. I'd probably say something along the lines of "largest construct seen outside of the Forerunner era", which gives a wide berth to cover the Forerunners, Ancient Humans, Precursors and whatever else gets thrown into the pot.BaconShelf (talk) 06:56, August 22, 2019 (EDT)

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-==Time==
+{{Archived}}
+== Population ==
-If the level Cortana was set in November/December 2552 then why does the date for the destruction say March 2553? [[User talk:FishType1|FishType1]] 11:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
+The ''Essential Visual Guide'' lists the population of High Charity as 23,831,346. But according to the Bestiarum, this refers to the total San'Shyuum population (hence the distinction between "at reseeding" and "currently") and not the whole of High Charity (which would obviously include numerous members of other species). Thus the Visual Guide's population figure should be considered erroneous, or referring only to the San'Shyuum living in the city. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
+:I may be mistaken as to intent, but I think the interpretation of the content of the Bestiarum was not to imply the Prophet species numbered 23,831,346, but that it was indeed the total population of ''High Charity'' with all its constituent races. The world log off to the side of each page is referring to the population of each world, in this case ''High Charity'', as it's the only viable 'homeworld' to list for the Prophets now. So even though the page is about the San'Shyuumm, the population figure is for all of ''High Charity'', not just the Prophet portion. For example, we know there exists more Sangheili colonies than just their homeworld. The Bestiarum entry on the Elites refers to Sanghelios as a population of 8.135 billion. This is just the population of the planet, not just the Sangheili residents. Any Unggoy or Jiralhanae servants would be counted among that population number. There'd similarly be other Sangheili on other colonies that are not reflected in that number. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 20:36, 9 December 2014 (EST)
+::I did consider that, but then ''Contact Harvest'' states that there were "a little more than twenty million" San'Shyuum in the Covenant, which would nicely correlate with the Bestiarum's figure; since most of the Prophets are known to live in High Charity, this would make the population of other species in High Charity almost nonsensically small, particularly given the Unggoy practically own the lower districts. The point about the population figures referring to the worlds, not species, is valid for the most part, though the "Uncategorized"/Reclaimer entry uses Earth's "sudden change" population (or what was intended to be the remaining human population at the time) instead of that of Eridanus II, which the other stats refer to. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:07, 10 December 2014 (EST)
+:::I can understand what you're saying. I guess all I can offer is that the Contact Harvest info and the Bestiarum info were known when the Visual Guide's value was decided. Perhaps the figures of the San'Shyuum numbers mentioned in Contact Harvest were era-dependent. How far back was that referenced. I can't check the novel at the moment. The High Charity figure would coincide with Halo 3, or 2552. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 06:54, 10 December 2014 (EST)
+::::''Contact Harvest'' page 262 offers the following: ''"There were a little more than twenty million San'Shyuum in the Covenant. Not a very large number compared to the faith's billions of adherents. But it was significantly more than the thousand or so individuals who had fled the San'Shyuum's distant homeworld long ago."'' Since this is circa 2525 timeline-wise, there would inevitably be some change in their population in 27 years, if not anything dramatic. But if the population number was actually discussed during the creation of the Visual Guide, I trust you had your reasons.  --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:48, 11 December 2014 (EST)
+::::I suppose the first assumption made was that the Bestiarum was correct in its value of ''High Charity'''s population as of 2552, presumably when the information was presented by whatever Forerunner AI that compiled it. I think that was the starting point and that all other info would have to conform in some fashion later. I still think it's fine to question this, but I'm confident that 343i could come up with some plausible scenarios to explain any perceived discrepancy. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 07:26, 11 December 2014 (EST)
-I think the level Cortana and maybe the Covenant were set in 2553. It takes a pretty long time for the ships to slipspace jump to the Ark. Look at how fast a UNSC frigate goes in slipspace - about 2.1 light years a day is how fast it goes. The Ark was outside the Milky Way Galaxy. I think it took about a month or more to get to the Ark from Earth, considering how fast it takes for ships to get there. So I think it should be changed from November/December 2552 to sometime in early 2553. [[User talk:TickToXsiK|TickToXsiK]] 20:57, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
+== New Image? ==
-*But they didn't travel through Slipspace, they used a ''portal''.  That could have been damn fast.  It was also Forerunner technology which would definitly increase the speed and plus ''Foward Unto Dawn'' was docked with ''Shadow of Intent'' so it definitly traveled as fast as that ship did.--[[User talk:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 21:01, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
-==Covenant Planets?==
+Should we update this page with a new image from Anniversary[[User:Lord &#39;Themee|Lord &#39;Themee]] ([[User talk:Lord &#39;Themee|talk]]) 20:00, 29 November 2014 (EST)
-I know that High Charity is the moving capital of the Covenant, but are there any covenant colonized planets?  I know there's a homeworld for every species...but does anyone have any idea what they are?--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 14:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
+:Do we have a decent image of High Charity? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 22:17, 3 December 2014 (EST)
-:Not a clue.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 01:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
+::Not really. [[:File:H2A - Great Schism.jpg|This one]] isn't bad, but its eclipsed. Plus the battle going on overhead probably isn't helpful. We have [[:File:H2A Great Schism.png|these]] [[:File:H2A Terminals - Seeker of Truth.jpg|two]], but neither are really the focus of the image. There might be a decent one somewhere in the terminals or the new Blur cutscenes, but I haven't looked. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 22:42, 3 December 2014 (EST)
-:Hopefully [[Bungie]] will one day shed some light on this.--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 05:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
+:::[https://cdn.artstation.rocks/p/assets/images/images/000/298/097/large/high_charity_10_copy.jpg?1415826885 This] would be a good one. [http://www.artstation.com/artwork/halo-2-anniversary From here].--[[User:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] ([[User talk:TDSpiral94|talk]]) 12:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)
-:There's [[Joyous Exultation]] in GoO. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 06:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
+::::While I'd prefer an image with a proper background and environment for context, it's indeed quite good. That portfolio seems to have more useful stuff as well. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)
-:I think theres one named joyous exultation, other than that the rest aren't talked about. The prophets anyway destroyed their planet thats all i know.
+:::::I agree with Jugus. It would be ideal to get one with a proper background, but I'm not entirely sure if that's possible. So this would be a good alternative. If no one else disagrees, I can upload it. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 19:15, 9 December 2014 (EST)
+::::::Holy Cow, that is a good one. Lucky find there, I'd definitely use that as well.[[User:262VigilantGuardian|262VigilantGuardian]] ([[User talk:262VigilantGuardian|talk]]) 19:53, 9 December 2014 (EST)
-I think thats a ship {{unsigned|72.184.71.233}}
-:If you are refering to High Charity, yes, that's stated in the article. If you mean Joyous Exultation, I highly believe it is stated to be a planet in the book. Please source the page number you are basing this upon. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 02:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
-well i know that the elites come from the planet Sanghelios but the rest i'll have to look into
-I assumed it was a sort of rally point, a set of coordinates, at which the Sanghelli Fleet could regroup. [[User:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 04:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
-==Flood base?==
-It could be possible that the flood use High Charity as a base
-They Are.
-Is this confirmed, i know it says in the halo 3 that you enter high charity, but is it realy confirmed?? [[User:Campaign Obsessive|Campaign Obsessive]] 10:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
-== Forerunner structure? ==
-I think it is an abandoned forerunner cityship, and was found and taken over by the covenant who used it as a holy city due to its forerunner orgins.
-: No information to confirm this so it isn't wiki-able.  Until you can find a real source that confirms this, it is irrelevant to Halopedia. --[[User:Forgottenlord|Forgottenlord]] 05:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
-I think it is without a doubt a covenant structure. The Council chambers, Mausoleum, and Steps of Silence are to huge and to specific to Covenant society to be forerunner. The Keyship/Dreadnaught and the Two large stone wall within the council chambers are the only forerunner structures i've seen. [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 19:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
-== Halo 3 ==
-Didn't High Charity crash on The Ark? When it exploded, why didn't it destroy it?[[User:Royce|Royce]] 20:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
-:High Charity is one tough, Flood-Infested cookie. Having crashed into a frigate and then crashing onto an immense Forerunner structure, it survived it all. Seeing that most of the Covenant's technology is reverse engineered from the Forerunner's, its quite possible that High Charity is impervious to such damage. [[User:5748 PrimaryCipher|5748 PrimaryCipher]] 03:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
-::He meant why didn't The Ark detonae when High Charity exploded. I think High charity crashed somewhere within hte foundry in the centery, and if you looked at it, it wasn't exactly intact. Also, the core is the size of a halo. High Charity exploding might have destroyed a halo, but it probably only did a number on the ark. [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 01:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
-:::It's core isn't the size of a Halo, not even <i>close</i>. High Charity itself is a speck compared to a Halo, so it wouldn't destory it if do anything at all.
-:Don't forget that High Charity is ripped out from the [[San 'Shyuum|Prophet]]s' Home Planet. It isn't small.
-::you see though high charity is a speck to halo in halo 1 that frigate destroyed the halo and that was even smaller
-:No. It's a Cruiser. Besides, the Pillar of Autumn didn't crash into Installation 04 - its fusion core became unstable and caused it to explode. The shockwave cracked the part of the ring it was on. Unsupported, it moved freely, pulling apart the rest of the structure. -- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:53, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:the POA is still smaller then high charity so if high charity blew up on the ark it shouldve at least did something and in halo 3 you blow up a reactor on that just like the POA[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 16:18, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-== High Charity size ==
-I think High Charity has to be pretty larger than only 350 kilometers: look at it floating near Delta Halo, a 10000 kilometers diameter structure, it would be totally dwarfed by the ring if it was that large. My guess is that it has to be at least 600 kilometers in diameter, otherwise too small. <b>[[User:Spirit of Fire|<font color=blue>Spirit of</font> ''<font color=red>Fire</font>'']][[Image:UNSCoH Dingo without letters.PNG|20px]]</b> 22.27 17 October 2007
-== Power Source ==
-I thought during Halo 2 when Prophet of Truth escaped in Forerunner Ship High Charity lost power.So how did the Flood give it power to slipspace to Earth and the Ark?[[User:Yuhi33|Yuhi33]] 17:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- The City was massive, its more then likely that it had its own power source while the dreadnaught powered the stardrive and slipspace capacitors. Cortana said she answered the Gravemind's questions. So I think that since the flood probably don't exactly requre central air and life support that the Gravemind used Cortana to re-route systems and repower the cities engines. Oh and did anyone else notice the Arbiter's Mausoleum and the what I assume was the Council Chambers in the distance?  [[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 02:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
-== High Charity ==
-I think, From Halo 2 Story last campaign for review
-Halo 2 for Ringworld is Installation 05 for New Land and but stand by from covenant battle in Installation 05 and included The Flood-Infested in underground for Gravenmind defeating about installation 05, after From Forare Ship of Frigate from UNSCDF Team in Installation 05, then catched from gravemind in Forare Ship of Firgate from UNSCDF escaped from Installation 05, then crashed in The High Charity on Wall in sky. The Flood Infested escaped in High Charity for Not center of covenant defences value of High Charity didn't to take about gravemind.
-Then, Last Story-----I founded for information, This Installation 05 and near High Charity exploding from Ringworld but not destroyed an ringworld installation 05 but, This High Charity for Heavy too high from gravemind why- heavy for more growing full flood-infested by gravemind heavy very then down crashing to The Ark about Halo 3. for Not Destory to Ringworld of Installation 05 not destroy and exploding. Review Story Last....
-HALO 3 for The Ark from last "The Covenant for Campaign" after Off Shield for Round and Lap-around for disabled then, Open Hole for Black incoming a High Charity Defences to crashed in Land near Core World in The Ark Top of Core. Then, .........campaign last- The Covenant after, Opened on Doorway and Open on Hangers from The Ark for clicked to opening a Launch engine a Build New Ringworld of Installation 04! from Make for The Ark by Years 30,163,452 Star's over The Ark. This Installation 04 then, Control Room destroy to Installation 04, firing outlook to sky orange of fire with heat fire ash! Escaped from Get the Frigate for UNSC from Escaped in Ringworld INSTALLATION 04 again Destroyed from Fire with Exploding from Destroyed for Gravemind for no more a the flood-infested.
-HALO 1 for Ringworld Installation 04 for "The Maw of Campaign" Destroy before save for Life Galaxy, Destroyed Installation 4 and Again The Ark for built new installation 04 again decided from the ark.
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-High Charity for Halo 3, The Ark and Incoming from "Black Hole" for incoming speeder fast to crash into "THE ARK" between near closed not core there, there is wall with land crashing of HIGH CHARITY from escaped used tools ringworld to catched the ark from Infection Forms and The Flood Infested Forms for Team forced The Ark are headhunter to covenant...
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+==Italicization==
+I don't recall "High Charity" being italicized in any official media, whether from the Bungie days or from 343i. It seems we took to italicizing the name because the city is mobile, not unlike a giant ship. Any thoughts? --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 12:35, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
+:Yeah, I agree. In most novels, ships are italicized but High Charity isn't. It's probably best to remove the italicization. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 12:41, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
+:Yes, I think it should be changed. Like NightHammer said, High Charity isn't italicized in the books, and it isn't italicized in the Halo Waypoint universe article either. -- [[User:Topal the Pilot|'''Topal the Pilot''']] [[File:Blueteam.png|20px]] <small>([[User talk:Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Talk'''</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Topal the Pilot|<span style="color:green">'''Contribs'''</span>]])</small> 19:08, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
-Not Available story about Halo 3 last story is campaign, coming soon later of updating...
+==Mythos==
+Page 112 of ''Mythos'' has a layout of High Charity with several locations being marked, I cannot make heads or tails of these terms. Is it just me or did I miss several things? [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 00:41, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
+Post them if you want help from people who do not own them. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. <small>([[User talk:AlertFiend|Converse]]) </small> 01:22, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
-Please don't post your fanfiction here. We have [http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page this] site here for fanfiction. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
+:Just my two cents.[[User:Lord Susto|<span style="color:orange">Lord Susto</span>]] 01:34, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
+:*'''Eye of Kel''' ([[Kel 'Darsam]]) - an observatory for San'shyuum priests? augurs were roman religious officials who observed birds and interpreted the will of gods.
+:*'''Balustrade of Glory''' - some kind of balcony or deck. Im guessing Penumbra the Worthy is a notable covenant figure likely Sangheili. we can only wonder what the title of Haven Master actually means.
+:*'''Lances of the Faithful''' - I get the impression it has something to do with plasma cannons.
+::Susto - I was thinking the same thing about Eye of Kel, also Plaon's Gaze is taken from [[Janjur Qom]]'s [[Plaon|moon]]. Alertfiend - Top to bottom: Fount of Light, Plaon's Gaze, Skin of the First Worlds, Eye of Kel, Balustrade of Glory, Spires of Gifting, Spine of the Gods, Lances of the Faithful. The main thing is I don't know if these terms are referring to the sections they point to, Plaon's Gaze and Skin of the First Worlds both point to the dome of High Charity. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 01:48, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
+:::Eye of Kel is a large starship-sized airlock that allows ships access to the interior. I'm not as sure of the others to offer an opinion as yet, but if I find out more specifics I'll either edit or mention it here. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:53, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
+==Let's change from ship infobox to megastructure infobox? ==
-WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!![[User talk:Roberthaha|Roberthaha]] 17:44, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
+Because it's an artificial planet, simplistic compared to the forerunner ones but it still counts.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 19:32, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Is High Charity an Ark Portal? ==
+:Since it's mobile, one can just as easily categorize it as a really big ship. The ship infobox does a better job of conveying the information we have on High Charity than the megastructure one would, and it doesn't actually call it a ship at any point in any case, so I see no reason to change it. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 10:12, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-The exact origin of High Charity is not known, is it? This is from the Dreadnought article:
+== Is High Charity the largest? ==
-''It is mentioned that the vessel removed a "chunk" of the Prophet homeworld when the Reformers fled[6]. This may allude to an explanation of the planetary dome of High Charity.''
+"High Charity is, so far, the largest non-Forerunner construct seen in the Halo franchise."
-I think that the "chunk" was actually the Portal constructed on the San 'Shyuum home planet. There had to be a portal, without it the Prophets would not have survived the Halo activation. Either the Reformers purposefully removed the Portal from the planet, or it was attached to the Dreadnought in some way, causing it to break off of the planet.
+Would the star roads not be considered "constructs?" Certainly they were much larger. [[User:TheArb1ter117|TheArb1ter117]] ([[User talk:TheArb1ter117|talk]]) 02:00, August 22, 2019 (EDT)
+:The spirit of the sentence is certainly true, though you're right that the technicalities are less so. I'd probably say something along the lines of "largest construct seen outside of the Forerunner era", which gives a wide berth to cover the Forerunners, Ancient Humans, Precursors and whatever else gets thrown into the pot.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 06:56, August 22, 2019 (EDT)
-High Charity and the Portal share many common features. Both are circular. They seem to be roughly the same size, based on how big the Dreadnought looks when viewed from the edge. High charity has a huge spire sticking from its bottom, and the Portal also reaches deep into Earths surface. The rising sections could have formed a base for the dome of High Charity.
-Based on these facts, I am pretty sure that High Charity was built on an inactive Ark Portal, removed from the Prophet homeworld.
-I don't know what the chunk was, but the rest of High Charity is entirely artificial, built by the Covenant over the centuries. But its based around the [[Forerunner Dreadnought|Keyship]] from the Prophet Homeworld. I'm not too sure about the chances of having a forerunner ship on their planet, but having a portal as well? that would have to be pretty low. And if that was the case, why didnt they simply activate the portal they had? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 20:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
-It is possible that they had a portal, but it was damaged or destroyed by the flood before the halos were activated, or afterwards during the Prophets civil war.[[User:Blade Kassan|Blade Kassan]] 07:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-I'm not sure if we could call it an Ark Portal since the city is massive compared to one. The ship may have been stuck in the ground? or in a docking bay? We saw the effects of a Covenant drive over NM when it dragged chunks of the city in. Maybe the powerful Forerunner slipspace drive, when coupled with poor understanding, just tore away the surface when they left the planet.
-[[User:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 12:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
-== How did High Charity got to the Ark ==
-Well, here are my three theories about how High Charity could go to the Ark, using portals.
-*My first theory is that the Gravemind could use 2401 Penitent to open a portal to get to the Ark, but this is improbable, because if the Forerunners didn't gave information about the Ark to Spark, it would be improbable that they gave him the ability to make portals.
-*My second theory is that the Gravemind used Forerunner relics placed on High Charity to open a Portal.
-*My last theory is that, as the Gravemind learns what it's victims knew, he might got information from the Prophet of Regret.
-[[User:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Kurt Ambross'''</span>]] [[Image:Mexico flag.png|30px]] ([[User talk:Kurt Ambross|<span style="color:green">Talk</span>]]) 04:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
-I thought cortana told the gravemind how to use its back up generators or (slipspace)[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 14:46, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
-== help! need book pages in hch and hgoo. ==
-PLEASE! need book pages in hch and hgoo. PLEASE! --[[User:Ptowery|þ†öWè®¥]] <sup>[[User:Ptowery|^]]</sup> <sup>([[user talk:Ptowery|UNSC Fleetcom]])</sup><sup>([http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Ptowery  UNSC History])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/Ptowery|UNSC Mision Log]])</sup> 15:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
-answer at [[User_talk: Ptowery]]
-==Theory overhaul==
-The theories section of the article needs an extensive overhaul.[[User:Warhead xTEAMx|Warhead xTEAMx]] 12:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
-==Where are the Elites???==
-In the Halo 3 level Floodgate, it in mentioned that the Elite fleet has quarantined High Charity. If High Charity has broken quarantine, wouldn't you think that the Elites would follow it???? [[User:D1134|D1134]] 19:11, 12 October 2008(UTC)
-Its Unknown what happened to the "Fleet of Hundreds" of the Sangheili it possiblily could have destroyed by the space rupture when it jumped to The Ark or all the ships gone back to Sanghelios in an attemp to survive the jump's shockwave.
-([[User talk:Marthex|Marthex]] 18:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
-== Hith Charity wasnt destroyed on March 3rd ==
-Because the ceremony on earth was on March 3rd and the slip space travel is not instantly. BB
-== Power ==
-How did High Charity manage to travel to Earth through slipspace if the Forerunner Dreadnought was gone? How did it power itself?
-On a second note, it’s unlikely that Gravemind was able to escape its destruction through usage of 2401 Penitent Tangent, since his teleportation grid was restricted to usage Installation 05, so it would have had no effect on the Ark.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 18:41, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
-== High Charity (Level) ==
-on the begining of the level if you clear that whole phantom dock place head towards the back of ity and their is a phhantom docked???why wouldnt cortana just have us fly the phantom to truth and kill him i mean after all she is in high charity network so she couldve very easily done so.......{{Unsigned|Spartan238}}
-:LOL! That's hilarious! I can't answer that question canonically. However the real answer is that Bungie wanted to make another level, not just joyriding in a captured enemy phantom. Sign your posts please. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:purple">'''Que'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:red">'''Sera'''</span>]], [[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:orange">'''Sera'''</span>]] 15:44, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:Phantoms aren't robots - they're not controlled by High Charity. She needed to stay inside its computers to make sure that John is safe. Besides, Truth wasn't the target. That's why they were planning on blowing up In Amber Clad.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:49, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-:Im just saying that theirs a flaw their because if master cheif knows how to use other controls on other covenant stuff he could fly that and sure bungie wanted a level i get it but still in the story theirs a flaw seeing you couldve done that true?[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 16:14, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-== Prophets Home ==
-This my speculation but, after the prophets left their original home world aboard the dreadnought I think that they named high charity after their plant, charity and that high as in royal because it is the prophets holy city. anybody agree?
-Well the problem with your speculation is that it's just that:  Speculation.
-[[User talk:Eaite &#39;Randjam|Eaite &#39;Randjam]] 21:32, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
-== Halsey's photo from J.C, Could it be HC? ==
-In Dr. Halsey's Journal there is a photo in the back which shows a circle with an arrow pointing to it, with "A New threat?" underneath it. If you turn the photo on its left side it looks like a mushroom. On the back it says things about the UNSC not having anything this ''BIG'' and it having guided movement.
-Could this be High charity? As high charity is huge, has guided movement and looks like a mushroom.
-Thanks, --[[User:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:green">'''Tentacle'''</span>]][[User talk:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:gold">'''tornado'''</span>]] 13:02, 27 November 2010 (EST)
-Yes, it IS High Charity. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  16:10, 4 January 2011 (EST)!!
-If it IS, then why isn't it in the article? --[[User:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:green">'''Tentacle'''</span>]][[User talk:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:gold">'''tornado'''</span>]] 16:30, 9 January 2011 (EST)
- Good point.[[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  16:05, 10 January 2011 (EST)!
-==Omega?==
-While I'm not going to launch a debate as to how strict/lax guidelines have to be on this wiki in regards to similarities, it does seem short-sighted to claim that one franchise has sole similarity. Yes, it's similar to Omega. It's also similar to [http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Earth_Spacedock Earth Spacedock] from ''Star Trek'', and [http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/File:Avernus_Station_SC-BG-BW_Art1.jpg old artwork] of ''Avernus Station'' from ''StarCraft'', and never in my right mind would I claim any special connection with those any more than Omega, or any other mushroom-shaped space stations I've yet to encounter in sci-fi. So where is the line drawn? Obviously a line exists somewhere, given the Halo rings are compared to ''Ringworld'' yet not [http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Argentium Argentium] for instance, but it's hard to see here. Way I see it (and administer it on the SC wiki, as with the ME one) is that trivia should be reserved for similarities that are too similar/unique to be anything else or when the reference is practically universal (e.g. Greek mythology).
-Just food for thought.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 19:00, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
-I think its worth it. If you look at the flood infected HC and Omega next to each other they look like interchangeable concept art. Both are hollowed out chunks of rock, with a city super structure hanging off the base. The only difference is function. High Charity looks structurally similar to the star-bases, but those are both completely fabricated. Omega and High Charity are both re-purposed planetary bodies, that function as a "homeworld" for a variety of species. Omega just doesn't move... as far as we know. [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 21:06, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
-Truth, your last sentence just sparked a whole lotta bad-ass speculation for ME3 for me.  Just imagine that for a second... Vegerot goes RAWR! [[File:Icon-Vegito2.gif|21px]] [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]])  21:00, 1 October 2011 (EDT)!
-== Can we get some screenshots of the interior? ==
-There are entire levels in halo 2 taking place inside high charity. It needs more images. [[Special:Contributions/98.24.14.97|98.24.14.97]] 18:56, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
-:Yeah I agree, also it needs some photos from Halo 3. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 19:37, 11 May 2013 (EDT)
-== Population ==
-The ''Essential Visual Guide'' lists the population of High Charity as 23,831,346. But according to the Bestiarum, this refers to the total San'Shyuum population (hence the distinction between "at reseeding" and "currently") and not the whole of High Charity (which would obviously include numerous members of other species). Thus the Visual Guide's population figure should be considered erroneous, or referring only to the San'Shyuum living in the city. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:31, 3 September 2014 (EDT)
-== New Image? ==
-Should we update this page with a new image from Anniversary[[User:Lord &#39;Themee|Lord &#39;Themee]] ([[User talk:Lord &#39;Themee|talk]]) 20:00, 29 November 2014 (EST)
-:Do we have a decent image of High Charity? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] ([[User talk:SFH|talk]]) 22:17, 3 December 2014 (EST)
-::Not really. [[:File:H2A - Great Schism.jpg|This one]] isn't bad, but its eclipsed. Plus the battle going on overhead probably isn't helpful. We have [[:File:H2A Great Schism.png|these]] [[:File:H2A Terminals - Seeker of Truth.jpg|two]], but neither are really the focus of the image. There might be a decent one somewhere in the terminals or the new Blur cutscenes, but I haven't looked. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 22:42, 3 December 2014 (EST)
-:::[https://cdn.artstation.rocks/p/assets/images/images/000/298/097/large/high_charity_10_copy.jpg?1415826885 This] would be a good one. [http://www.artstation.com/artwork/halo-2-anniversary From here].--[[User:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] ([[User talk:TDSpiral94|talk]]) 12:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)
-::::While I'd prefer an image with a proper background and environment for context, it's indeed quite good. That portfolio seems to have more useful stuff as well. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:16, 4 December 2014 (EST)