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 == Possible canonical explanation for HW and CP Mark IV variants ==
-I've been doing a little bit of research and I think there is a canonical reason for the Halo Wars and Cole Protocol Mark IV.
+:I've been doing a little bit of research and I think there is a canonical reason for the Halo Wars and Cole Protocol Mark IV.
+:The Halo Wars Mark IV is the MJOLNIR PAA. The PAA was rushed into production due to the new threat, the Covenant. The first and only MJOLNIR suit Samuel wears is the "Halo Wars" Mark IV. He is seen wearing the HW armor in two pieces of media, the Fall of Reach re-released book and comic. Since Samuel received this armor right at the beginning of the war it stands to reason that the Halo Wars armor is the MJOLNIR PAA.
-The Halo Wars Mark IV is the MJOLNIR PAA. The PAA was rushed into production due to the new threat, the Covenant. The first and only MJOLNIR suit Samuel wears is the "Halo Wars" Mark IV. He is seen wearing the HW armor in two pieces of media, the Fall of Reach re-released book and comic. Since Samuel received this armor right at the beginning of the war it stands to reason that the Halo Wars armor is the MJOLNIR PAA.
+:In 2535 the Final Production model is released. During this same year the Battle of the Rubble takes place. The Cole Protocol cover shows a depiction of Grey Team during 2535. This armor is not seen in any media taking place before 2535. Thus the Cole Protocol armor is the Final Production Model.
-In 2535 the Final Production model is released. During this same year the Battle of the Rubble takes place. The Cole Protocol cover shows a depiction of Grey Team during 2535. This armor is not seen in any media taking place before 2535. Thus the Cole Protocol armor is the Final Production Model.
+:The design of the Final Production Model is carried over to the Mark V version 1. It's confirmed that the armor Noble Team wears (except Jorge) is Mark V but the first version. The armor that the Chief wears a year later is the second version. This is why they both look different. So there's already different versions of the Mark V canonically, so it makes sense the same goes for the Mark IV.
-The design of the Final Production Model is carried over to the Mark V version 1. It's confirmed that the armor Noble Team wears (except Jorge) is Mark V but the first version. The armor that the Chief wears a year later is the second version. This is why they both look different. So there's already different versions of the Mark V canonically, so it makes sense the same goes for the Mark IV.
+:Unless 343i decides to release pre-2535 media that shows the Cole Protocol styled Mark IV, I feel this theory is the best explanation and may be true. [[User:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
-Unless 343i decides to release pre-2535 media that shows the Cole Protocol styled Mark IV, I feel this theory is the best explanation and may be true. [[User:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]]
 Interesting theory, ADinoSupremacist.
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 If your theory is correct, then why were so many SPARTAN-IIs' consistently wearing and utilizing what is technically an inferior armor configuration? Given that the TCP one is largely a proto-Mark V sans shields, why aren't all of the other SPARTAN-IIs' using it instead of the early, functionally inferior model?--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 00:47, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
-I'm not fully understanding what you're asking. Are you referring to things such as Cal wearing the possible PAA? For all we know that could just be another artistic license that Halo: Legends is filled with. After all the Elites and Brutes had Samurai like armor in that episode. Though it could be possible that not all of the FPMs were made at the same time, they are rather expensive. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 19:33, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
+:I'm not fully understanding what you're asking. Are you referring to things such as Cal wearing the possible PAA? For all we know that could just be another artistic license that Halo: Legends is filled with. After all the Elites and Brutes had Samurai like armor in that episode. Though it could be possible that not all of the FPMs were made at the same time, they are rather expensive. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 19:33, 6 April 2012 (EDT)
 Not quite. The question I was asking was if the iteration used by Grey Team is the standard issue suit, particularly one which could employ numerous attachments and variant components, why is an older, less flexible design used more frequently.
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 Now that I think about it, that would definitely make sense. The MJOLNIR Project Videos released by 343 last year made that clear, alongside earlier statements and thoroughly solidified by Halsey's Journal. Another thing I noticed about most depictions of the dominant Mark IV configuration is that they consistently fail to point out a few key features of those suits; the pauldrons are mounted separately from the armor below them, while the chest plates are meant to rise and fall with the user's movements. From what I have seen of the armor in "Halo: Fall of Reach: The Covenant", that seems to be the case.
-Its an understandable oversight, even if it is unnecessary, but in the case of the comic, I can see that being somewhat understandable. The art style does not readily lend itself to such subtle details, and it may even be more than that. My impression is that the large number of moving parts as seen in 2531 etc. may actually be an upgrade to the earlier version. Perhaps the most of the depictions with a seeming lack of the said moving parts is what the first line was like.
+It's an understandable oversight, even if it is unnecessary, but in the case of the comic, I can see that being somewhat understandable. The art style does not readily lend itself to such subtle details, and it may even be more than that. My impression is that the large number of moving parts as seen in 2531 etc. may actually be an upgrade to the earlier version. Perhaps the most of the depictions with a seeming lack of the said moving parts is what the first line was like.
 Any external upgrades to that iteration would probably only really need to be its metallic composition, movement qualities, refractive coatings, magnetic holders, etc., which were probably implemented quickly during the Harvest campaign. Given that this version is apparently quite functional and versatile without major physical changes probably would explain why so many SPARTAN-IIs would use it. It would be definitely be the least expensive suit to employ, since there would only need to be small, incremental, and internal changes made.
 The infamous TCP/Grey Team version, on the other hand, I recall Mr. O'Connor referring to it as being an offshoot of the initial Mark IV model. The same was said of the Halo Wars iteration. Given how close it is to the original issued suit, it is probably its moderately upgraded direct successor, while the other one would eventually lay the groundwork for the Mark V in 2551-2552.--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 19:43, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
+:Indeed, the former even looks more modular, versus the TCP's compactness. Hadn't thought that could happen, though, the offshoot ending up swallowing the main model! [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:01, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
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