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Dunno?[[User:142.59.133.15|142.59.133.15]] 05:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC) | Dunno?[[User:142.59.133.15|142.59.133.15]] 05:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC) | ||
The reason is sometime between Halo 1 and 2, the amour is changed into [[body suit]]s.--[[Image:Hunter large.jpg|35px]] [[User:R1e2u3b4e5n6|<font color="6633FF">never ending-summer | The reason is sometime between Halo 1 and 2, the amour is changed into [[body suit]]s.--[[Image:Hunter large.jpg|35px]] [[User:R1e2u3b4e5n6|<font color="6633FF">never ending-summer</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:R1e2u3b4e5n6|<font color="6633FF">My personal COM chanel</font>]]</sup> 07:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
Is it just the 105th that are called "Helljumpers"? I was under the impression (although I'd have to head to a library and check out the earlier books) that the term "Helljumpers" applied to all ODSTs. | Is it just the 105th that are called "Helljumpers"? I was under the impression (although I'd have to head to a library and check out the earlier books) that the term "Helljumpers" applied to all ODSTs. | ||
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Peh, if you ask me there not based on anything, thier role is to plumit to earth it metal box's sound fimiler?, plus the SAS has a wide veriety of roles most of which kept secret --[[User:Climax Viod|<b><span style="color: Red">Climax-Void</span></b>]] [[Image:Hammer sickle.png|35 px]] <sup>[[User talk:Climax Viod|<b><span style="color: Black">Chat</span></b>]] or [[Special:Contributions/Climax_Viod|<b><span style="color: Silver">My Contributions </span></b>]]</sup> | Peh, if you ask me there not based on anything, thier role is to plumit to earth it metal box's sound fimiler?, plus the SAS has a wide veriety of roles most of which kept secret --[[User:Climax Viod|<b><span style="color: Red">Climax-Void</span></b>]] [[Image:Hammer sickle.png|35 px]] <sup>[[User talk:Climax Viod|<b><span style="color: Black">Chat</span></b>]] or [[Special:Contributions/Climax_Viod|<b><span style="color: Silver">My Contributions </span></b>]]</sup> | ||
they are described in the books as being an elite force, reminiscent of the Navy SEALS and Marine Corps of the US today. but don't discount the SAS either, because they are also the elite, and are also trained to deal with almost every kind of environment or scenario, like the ODST's and SEALS. [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee | they are described in the books as being an elite force, reminiscent of the Navy SEALS and Marine Corps of the US today. but don't discount the SAS either, because they are also the elite, and are also trained to deal with almost every kind of environment or scenario, like the ODST's and SEALS. [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 23:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
:If this is true then we also can't leave out Delta Force either, since they're US SpecOps team of sorts, and apparently basically the same as the SAS -- Rokrin | :If this is true then we also can't leave out Delta Force either, since they're US SpecOps team of sorts, and apparently basically the same as the SAS -- Rokrin | ||
*whatever they are, I think speak for most people when I say THEY RAWK HARD AND KICK ASS! | *whatever they are, I think speak for most people when I say THEY RAWK HARD AND KICK ASS! [[User:Leonidas-300|Leonidas-300]] 04:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
why were people specifying the 101st Airborn? they would be futuristic paratroopers. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 08:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | why were people specifying the 101st Airborn? they would be futuristic paratroopers. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 08:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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No, actually, everytime you head out into space, you will encounter ODSTs and enemies, like Elite Rangers. Maybe they killed them, because '''ODSTs are not dumb enough to walk into space knowing their armor cannot support them.''' -[[Image:Spartan with Sniper Rifle and Shotgun.jpg|50px]] '''[[User:Blemo|<font color=black>Blemo</font>]]''' | No, actually, everytime you head out into space, you will encounter ODSTs and enemies, like Elite Rangers. Maybe they killed them, because '''ODSTs are not dumb enough to walk into space knowing their armor cannot support them.''' -[[Image:Spartan with Sniper Rifle and Shotgun.jpg|50px]] '''[[User:Blemo|<font color=black>Blemo</font>]]''' | ||
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I really think that ODSTs are really smarter than that. -[[Image:Spartan with Sniper Rifle and Shotgun.jpg|50px]] '''[[User:Blemo|<font color=black>Blemo</font>]]''' | I really think that ODSTs are really smarter than that. -[[Image:Spartan with Sniper Rifle and Shotgun.jpg|50px]] '''[[User:Blemo|<font color=black>Blemo</font>]]''' | ||
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ok, so we're studying the Mexican War in rotc today. During the Battle of Chapultepec, many Marine NCO's and officers were killed because they were fighting on the front lines. In their honor, NCO's and officers were then required to wear a red stripe on their pant legs, a "bloodstripe". as many have pointed out, it may be the sergeants who wear the red patch. [[User:Leonidas-300|Leonidas-300]] 05:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | ok, so we're studying the Mexican War in rotc today. During the Battle of Chapultepec, many Marine NCO's and officers were killed because they were fighting on the front lines. In their honor, NCO's and officers were then required to wear a red stripe on their pant legs, a "bloodstripe". as many have pointed out, it may be the sergeants who wear the red patch. [[User:Leonidas-300|Leonidas-300]] 05:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
Also this is a good assumption this is incorrect the red and white are however ranks but the white means officers and the red means enlisted-USMCR3c0n | Also this is a good assumption this is incorrect the red and white are however ranks but the white means officers and the red means enlisted-USMCR3c0n | ||
*No offense, USMCR3cOn, but I think ur wrong. Why would white mean officers and red mean enlisted? It wouldnt make sense that much, as when you play alongside groups of ODSTs, there are always more white patches than there are red patches. Why would ''3'' Lieutenants or Sergeants, be leading just ''one'' private? Also in Halo 3 "The Covenant" Mission, u can hear the ODST with the red patch yelling out orders and pointing out objectives to the others. oh, and Leonidas-300, nice example using the Battle of Chapultepec dude. --[[User:Mesz4160]] | *No offense, USMCR3cOn, but I think ur wrong. Why would white mean officers and red mean enlisted? It wouldnt make sense that much, as when you play alongside groups of ODSTs, there are always more white patches than there are red patches. Why would ''3'' Lieutenants or Sergeants, be leading just ''one'' private? Also in Halo 3 "The Covenant" Mission, u can hear the ODST with the red patch yelling out orders and pointing out objectives to the others. oh, and Leonidas-300, nice example using the Battle of Chapultepec dude. --[[User:Mesz4160]] | ||
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== Relations with SPARTANS == | == Relations with SPARTANS == | ||
The article says that because the Chief beat up two ODST's, that that is why the relationship between the two are uneasy. | The article says that because the Chief beat up two ODST's, that that is why the relationship between the two are uneasy. But I recall the reason being that SPARTANS got more fame and glory for doing dangerous missions that ODSTs could do, but without the augmentations. They didn't like that they were lab projects, while ODSTs were tough on their own merits. I am not entirely sure, since this was in the The FLood, but I really don't think that two soldiers being beaten up is what caused tight relations.[[User:XRoadToDawnX|XRoadToDawnX]] 04:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
It wasn't that he beat up 2 he killed to and injured 2 others as a teenager therefore they were mad that even in all their awesome badassness that they got their asses kicked by a 16-17 year old kid-USMCR3c0n | It wasn't that he beat up 2 he killed to and injured 2 others as a teenager therefore they were mad that even in all their awesome badassness that they got their asses kicked by a 16-17 year old kid-USMCR3c0n He was 14 (suck that helljumpers!) he was 14 when he got augmentations and the incedent happened a few days later--[[Special:Contributions/58.107.129.103|58.107.129.103]] 10:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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It might be, that the ODSTs whom we see in Halos 2 and 3, don't have a problem with Spartans. The ODSTs in on Alpha Halo, didn't like the Chief, because of Silva being the CO of the three ODSTs killed by John on the Atlas. Its unlikely that several battallions of ODSTs, would hate the Spartans as much as Silva's did. Most ODSTs probably realize that with so few Spartans around (33 from John's class, plus however many from the second group of Spartan IIs (have to wait until Halo: Reach to get the numbers)) there will be plenty of action. A Marine Corps friend of mine in Afghanistan, has told me about some of the times where SEALs have worked with the Marines. The SEALs will go in to "soften up" an area, do recon, etc., but its the Marines who actually do most of the fighting. The missions which the Spartans go on, are often recon, assassination, or ones in which they sneak into a covenant ship/base to blow it up. The Spartans haven't really been seen to do large scale engagements. The ODSTs have. -- [[User:Nomad117]] | It might be, that the ODSTs whom we see in Halos 2 and 3, don't have a problem with Spartans. The ODSTs in on Alpha Halo, didn't like the Chief, because of Silva being the CO of the three ODSTs killed by John on the Atlas. Its unlikely that several battallions of ODSTs, would hate the Spartans as much as Silva's did. Most ODSTs probably realize that with so few Spartans around (33 from John's class, plus however many from the second group of Spartan IIs (have to wait until Halo: Reach to get the numbers)) there will be plenty of action. A Marine Corps friend of mine in Afghanistan, has told me about some of the times where SEALs have worked with the Marines. The SEALs will go in to "soften up" an area, do recon, etc., but its the Marines who actually do most of the fighting. The missions which the Spartans go on, are often recon, assassination, or ones in which they sneak into a covenant ship/base to blow it up. The Spartans haven't really been seen to do large scale engagements. The ODSTs have. -- [[User:Nomad117]] | ||
Wait a minute. The Spartans were responsible for thousand of Covenant kills on Jericho and who knows what other planets. So while it is fair to say that most of their operations were recon and special ops and the like. It is not fair to say that they haven't done any large scale engagements. | Wait a minute. The Spartans were responsible for thousand of Covenant kills on Jericho and who knows what other planets. So while it is fair to say that most of their operations were recon and special ops and the like. It is not fair to say that they haven't done any large scale engagements. [[User talk:Psycho60|Psycho60]] 19:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
Don't forget that the Spartans where chosen because of there prime physical status, ''before'' they underwent training and augmentation. --[[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 04:17, December 13, 2009 (UTC)l33tmcphee | Don't forget that the Spartans where chosen because of there prime physical status, ''before'' they underwent training and augmentation. --[[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 04:17, December 13, 2009 (UTC)l33tmcphee | ||
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:With a sudden escape from Reach, and a rather sudden contact with the Covenant, it may be possible that they either: (a). Had no time to suit up, or (b). They failed to have the specific equipment ready in time. Also, if Halo: The Flood says they're ODSTs, until there is a solid reference or proof that says that they're not (i.e, Bungie state that the book is wrong), then Halo: The Flood is to be treated as a strong canonical source. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="blue">Kil</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''ler'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="blue">'''Chin'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''chilla'''</font>]] 20:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | :With a sudden escape from Reach, and a rather sudden contact with the Covenant, it may be possible that they either: (a). Had no time to suit up, or (b). They failed to have the specific equipment ready in time. Also, if Halo: The Flood says they're ODSTs, until there is a solid reference or proof that says that they're not (i.e, Bungie state that the book is wrong), then Halo: The Flood is to be treated as a strong canonical source. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="blue">Kil</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''ler'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="blue">'''Chin'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''chilla'''</font>]] 20:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
Maybe they don't wear the body suits that are in Halo 2 and 3 because Bungie didn't think of them as ODST's. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] [[UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b> [[Image:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 18:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | Maybe they don't wear the body suits that are in Halo 2 and 3 because Bungie didn't think of them as ODST's. <span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype;"><b>[[User Talk:ONI recon 111|<font color="blue">1st</font>]] [[UserWiki:ONI recon 111|<font color="#red">Class</font>]] [[w:c:halofanon:Category:ONI recon 111|<font color="light blue">Cadet</font>]] [[User:ONI recon 111|<font color="green">ONI recon 111</font>]] | </b>[[Image:1227612553 First3.jpg|30px]]</span> 18:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
Exactly, in the context of the game, they are never mentioned. Never even hinted at. Now I think that the novels are as just as solid as the games themselves, however the ODST's in the flood are undoubtedly something that needs to be tweaked. Just slightly tweaked to fit with the rest of the stuff without breaking what we read in First Strike and what we already know. | Exactly, in the context of the game, they are never mentioned. Never even hinted at. Now I think that the novels are as just as solid as the games themselves, however the ODST's in the flood are undoubtedly something that needs to be tweaked. Just slightly tweaked to fit with the rest of the stuff without breaking what we read in First Strike and what we already know. | ||
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Alot of plases in Combat Evoled that you fight at you see dead marines on the ground even at the most lower part of the forerunner structures they're still dead bodies on the ground.It could be a long range reconnaissance mission that they went on to try to stop the ugly grunts from getting to Earth.Could I be right?--[[User talk:Odst276|Odst276]] 13:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Odst276 | Alot of plases in Combat Evoled that you fight at you see dead marines on the ground even at the most lower part of the forerunner structures they're still dead bodies on the ground.It could be a long range reconnaissance mission that they went on to try to stop the ugly grunts from getting to Earth.Could I be right?--[[User talk:Odst276|Odst276]] 13:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Odst276 | ||
::Then personally expand it yourself by finding the sources that say otherwise, don't make others do work that you recommend when you sure as hell have enough time to do so. [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General | ::Then personally expand it yourself by finding the sources that say otherwise, don't make others do work that you recommend when you sure as hell have enough time to do so. [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 1/04/2009 | ||
:::Per Tony, unless you find the sources or info that prove Halo: The Flood to be wrong, don't tell everyone else what you want. It's up to you whether or not you accept the information here as correct, but we've used as much canon as we can from canonical sources such as official books, comics, games and official websites such as Bungie.net. If you wish to state that one of these sources is completely wrong, that's up to you. But don't remove anything that has a source, instead, try finding a way to expand it. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="blue">Kil</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''ler'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="blue">'''Chin'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''chilla'''</font>]] 20:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | :::Per Tony, unless you find the sources or info that prove Halo: The Flood to be wrong, don't tell everyone else what you want. It's up to you whether or not you accept the information here as correct, but we've used as much canon as we can from canonical sources such as official books, comics, games and official websites such as Bungie.net. If you wish to state that one of these sources is completely wrong, that's up to you. But don't remove anything that has a source, instead, try finding a way to expand it. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="blue">Kil</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''ler'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="blue">'''Chin'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="black">'''chilla'''</font>]] 20:27, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
Here is a question that I have yet to have seen been asked and that is whether or not, SSG Avery Johnson and SSG Byrne were ODST marines. In Contact Harvest, they are described this way: | Here is a question that I have yet to have seen been asked and that is whether or not, SSG Avery Johnson and SSG Byrne were ODST marines. In Contact Harvest, they are described this way: | ||
''' Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson had to work to keep his boots planted on his Hornet’s starboard landing skid. | '''Staff Sergeant Avery Johnson had to work to keep his boots planted on his Hornet’s starboard landing skid. Like the other marines, Avery wore charcoal fatigues and matte-black impact plating that bulwarked everything vital from his neck to his knees. His helmet encased his recently shaved head, and its silver-mirrored visor completely obscured his square jaw and brown eyes. The only place Avery’s black skin showed was at his wrists where his leather gloves didn’t quite touch his shirtsleeves.''' | ||
::Documentation? | ::Documentation? Citation? Really I don't want to search for something in copyrighted material that you've posted without any references. ~ [[User:Georgiastrings|<b><font color="blue">Georgiastrings</font></b>]] 15 JAN 2009 | ||
The uniform they were wearing sounded a lot like them being ODST, and their battalion commander was LTC Aboim, who is said to have been a ODST commander. Also, on page 350 of Contact Harvest, it talks about Johnson's HEV orbital drop training, so is there a possiblity that Johnson and Byrne were ODST's? I know that they were Spartans and part of Project Orion, but the prologue in Contact Harvest showed them to be either ODST's or attached to an ODST battalion. Any thoughts?--[[User talk:Bugkill|Bugkill]] 23:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC) | The uniform they were wearing sounded a lot like them being ODST, and their battalion commander was LTC Aboim, who is said to have been a ODST commander. Also, on page 350 of Contact Harvest, it talks about Johnson's HEV orbital drop training, so is there a possiblity that Johnson and Byrne were ODST's? I know that they were Spartans and part of Project Orion, but the prologue in Contact Harvest showed them to be either ODST's or attached to an ODST battalion. Any thoughts?--[[User talk:Bugkill|Bugkill]] 23:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Very doubtful that they were attached to the ODST, indeed the description matches the body suits worn by the helljumpers (minus the heavy plating) but no specific mention is made of them being ODST's or being attached to them. Also, Aboim as a ODST commander has never really been confirmed, it is speculated and is very probable, but never confirmed. Either way, until an official confirmation is made by Bungie, or Joe Staten himself, I would simply leave this as speculation. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 02:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC) | Very doubtful that they were attached to the ODST, indeed the description matches the body suits worn by the helljumpers (minus the heavy plating) but no specific mention is made of them being ODST's or being attached to them. Also, Aboim as a ODST commander has never really been confirmed, it is speculated and is very probable, but never confirmed. Either way, until an official confirmation is made by Bungie, or Joe Staten himself, I would simply leave this as speculation. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 02:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
Just because they are members of NavSpecWar and Marines doesn't mean Johnson and co were ODST's. The armour they wear in the prologue does sound like the ODST suits we see, but ODST's are also seen wearing other uniforms, ie; regular body armour in Halo:CE. Why can't Marines? Its described as blast plating, intended for dealing with explosives and protecting the wearer. Something ODST's might find handy, but also regular NavSpecWar Marines as well. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue> Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 02:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC) | Just because they are members of NavSpecWar and Marines doesn't mean Johnson and co were ODST's. The armour they wear in the prologue does sound like the ODST suits we see, but ODST's are also seen wearing other uniforms, ie; regular body armour in Halo:CE. Why can't Marines? Its described as blast plating, intended for dealing with explosives and protecting the wearer. Something ODST's might find handy, but also regular NavSpecWar Marines as well. --<b>[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]]</b> <b>[[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops</font>]][[UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=blue>306</font>]] - <i>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] <font color=purple>[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_HOT_GATES 'Morhek]</font></i></b> 02:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I have to disagree, at least with the aspect that normal Marines can wear ODST body suits. Think of it like this: In the United States Army, they have the U.S. Army Rangers, and then there's everyone else. If what you say is true, then a soldier who is not a Ranger would rate to wear the tan beret that Rangers wear. However, that is not the case. No one else can wear the Ranger beret except for Rangers; however, Rangers can wear the standard black berets that other soldiers wear. Why, you ask? Well, they're still soldiers, right? | :I have to disagree, at least with the aspect that normal Marines can wear ODST body suits. Think of it like this: In the United States Army, they have the U.S. Army Rangers, and then there's everyone else. If what you say is true, then a soldier who is not a Ranger would rate to wear the tan beret that Rangers wear. However, that is not the case. No one else can wear the Ranger beret except for Rangers; however, Rangers can wear the standard black berets that other soldiers wear. Why, you ask? Well, they're still soldiers, right? | ||
Lets clarify shall we... Army Rangers can only wear the tan beret when they are currently assigned to a Ranger Battalion. Thus, when a Ranger qualified soldier (meaning that he has passed Ranger School at Fort Benning GA, and is authorized to wear the Ranger TAB on his left shoulder) is assigned to a regular "line" Infantry unit such as the 101st ABN or the 82nd ABN or any other Infantry division but mostly ABN divisions, he is only authorized to wear the Army black beret in the case of the 101st ABN AIR ASSAULT , but if its a ABN division like the 82nd ABN assigned to jump status, then it would be the maroon beret. But, he is still considered an elite Infantryman, the Army does this because they want expert leaders in charge of new recruits, and it also gives the new guys something to strive for. This also makes the Army's Airborne units elite divisions slightly on par with Ranger Battalions. | Lets clarify shall we... Army Rangers can only wear the tan beret when they are currently assigned to a Ranger Battalion. Thus, when a Ranger qualified soldier (meaning that he has passed Ranger School at Fort Benning GA, and is authorized to wear the Ranger TAB on his left shoulder) is assigned to a regular "line" Infantry unit such as the 101st ABN or the 82nd ABN or any other Infantry division but mostly ABN divisions, he is only authorized to wear the Army black beret in the case of the 101st ABN AIR ASSAULT , but if its a ABN division like the 82nd ABN assigned to jump status, then it would be the maroon beret. But, he is still considered an elite Infantryman, the Army does this because they want expert leaders in charge of new recruits, and it also gives the new guys something to strive for. This also makes the Army's Airborne units elite divisions slightly on par with Ranger Battalions. Signed Ross-073 | ||
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Whenever the page is ''unlocked'', there's a typo in the "body suit" section that needs to be fixed. | Whenever the page is ''unlocked'', there's a typo in the "body suit" section that needs to be fixed. "Infra-red" needs to be changed to "infrared". [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 23:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Typo is fixed, thanks for the head's up, carry on! [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General | :Typo is fixed, thanks for the head's up, carry on! [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 3/15/2009 | ||
::Sure thing, anytime! [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 23:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | ::Sure thing, anytime! [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 23:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Sorry about posting twice in a row, but why exactly ''is'' the article locked? | :::Sorry about posting twice in a row, but why exactly ''is'' the article locked? Or should I say, why was it locked in the first place? [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 23:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::Vandalism, continued vandalism. [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General | ::::Vandalism, continued vandalism. [[Image:United Nations logo.png|35px]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia|<font color="silver"><b>General</b></font>]] [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font></b>]], <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia</font>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk</font></b>]]</sup> 3/23/2009 | ||
:::::Ah, I see. It's a shame really. [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | :::::Ah, I see. It's a shame really. [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
The usage of the {{tl|Wikipedia}} template in History is bugged (leads to the article "Shock+troops" on en.wiki). I'd suggest using 'Shock_troops' as the parameter. Cheers, [[User talk:CuddlyCombine|CuddlyCombine]] 12:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC) | The usage of the {{tl|Wikipedia}} template in History is bugged (leads to the article "Shock+troops" on en.wiki). I'd suggest using 'Shock_troops' as the parameter. Cheers, [[User talk:CuddlyCombine|CuddlyCombine]] 12:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I havn't read the books but from what i have read accrose Halopedia there were some ODSTs on the autumn just any we encountered were equipped as regular marines out of naccesity. and Sergeant Peter Stacker and Private first class Chips Dubbo have been encountered as both ODSTs (Halo 2, level; Delta Halo) and regular Marines. not quite sure hwat that actualy means relative to my argument but is relevant. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 13:56, September 19, 2009 (UTC) | I havn't read the books but from what i have read accrose Halopedia there were some ODSTs on the autumn just any we encountered were equipped as regular marines out of naccesity. and Sergeant Peter Stacker and Private first class Chips Dubbo have been encountered as both ODSTs (Halo 2, level; Delta Halo) and regular Marines. not quite sure hwat that actualy means relative to my argument but is relevant. [[User talk:Agent Tasmania|Agent Tasmania]] 13:56, September 19, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:There ''were'' ODST's in Halo: Combat Evolved, Spirit of Fire. In fact, the word ODST came from Halo: The Flood... Before Halo 2. | :There ''were'' ODST's in Halo: Combat Evolved, Spirit of Fire. In fact, the word ODST came from Halo: The Flood... Before Halo 2. Apparently, all those Marines you see are really ODST's wearing armor different than we know... Read the book, please! -[[User:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato]] | ||
Spirit of fire, There were 400 marines and 530 ODST in Halo: Combat Evolved at Alpha Halo, because they just wore the standard marine armor and yes READ THE BOOK!! - Sgt.SPNKr | Spirit of fire, There were 400 marines and 530 ODST in Halo: Combat Evolved at Alpha Halo, because they just wore the standard marine armor and yes READ THE BOOK!! - Sgt.SPNKr | ||
== Correction == | == Correction == | ||
Since I lack the rights to edit the article, I wanted to point out something that needs correcting. In naval parlance, when you are on a base or ship, you are referred to as being "aboard" the base or ship, not "onboard". Someone with the appropriate editing rights needs to change that. | |||
<div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div>17:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for the correction Smoke. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | :Thanks for the correction Smoke. {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | ||
::Corrected.- <b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 17:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC) | ::Corrected.- <b>[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 17:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Thanks, and not a problem. <div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div> 17:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC) | :::Thanks, and not a problem.<div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div>17:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
== List of known ODSTs == | == List of known ODSTs == | ||
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== Clearing Up An Issue == | == Clearing Up An Issue == | ||
OK I did some extensive editing work on the article for specific reasons, cleaning up, MOS, generally fixing things up to look better. However they were reverted for exact reasons yet unclear to me. | OK I did some extensive editing work on the article for specific reasons, cleaning up, MOS, generally fixing things up to look better. However they were reverted for exact reasons yet unclear to me. | ||
What I understand is the reasons are 1: The ODSTs are not Navy 2: the users boxes are to remain untouched. On issue one if that's the case I have one question I'm confused about, if the ODSTs are not part of the Navy then why are they under the Navy's authority? | What I understand is the reasons are 1: The ODSTs are not Navy 2: the users boxes are to remain untouched. On issue one if that's the case I have one question I'm confused about, if the ODSTs are not part of the Navy then why are they under the Navy's authority? | ||
So with that is there any other issues that needs to specifically be addressed? [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:14, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | So with that is there any other issues that needs to specifically be addressed? [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:14, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:On another note, since the Marines would be represented by the Navy representative, Hood, perhaps Strauss is there to represent the Air Force? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:01, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | :On another note, since the Marines would be represented by the Navy representative, Hood, perhaps Strauss is there to represent the Air Force? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[w:c:halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 22:01, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::OK I understand what your saying, makes sense. As for Strauss representing the Air Force perhaps, but then what role does Vice Admiral Witcomb serve? He had a seat at HIGHCOM until the Battle for Reach. | ::OK I understand what your saying, makes sense. As for Strauss representing the Air Force perhaps, but then what role does Vice Admiral Witcomb serve? He had a seat at HIGHCOM until the Battle for Reach. | ||
::One more thing I've been working on a revision of the edit I made to include this information I want to know if I've got this right. | ::One more thing I've been working on a revision of the edit I made to include this information I want to know if I've got this right. | ||
::The '''Orbital Drop Shock Troopers ''' abbreviated '''ODST''' or '''Helljumpers''' are an elite group of [[UNSC]] [[UNSC Marine Corps|Marines]] that specialize in special warfare tactics. The ODSTs are one of the primary Special Operations units of the [[United Nations Space Command]], and is under the command of [[UNSC Special Forces|UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command]]. The Orbital Drop Shock Troopers are the Special Operations Forces of the UNSC Military, sometimes referred to as the 105th Special Forces. The ODSTs are under the operational authority of Naval Special Weapons a sub division of Naval Special Warfare | ::The '''Orbital Drop Shock Troopers '''abbreviated '''ODST''' or '''Helljumpers''' are an elite group of [[UNSC]] [[UNSC Marine Corps|Marines]] that specialize in special warfare tactics. The ODSTs are one of the primary Special Operations units of the [[United Nations Space Command]], and is under the command of [[UNSC Special Forces|UNSC Naval Special Warfare Command]]. The Orbital Drop Shock Troopers are the Special Operations Forces of the UNSC Military, sometimes referred to as the 105th Special Forces. The ODSTs are under the operational authority of Naval Special Weapons a sub division of Naval Special Warfare | ||
::Is that right? And is there any other thing that needs to be addressed with the edits I've made beside the eras box? (I meant to say era box at the beginning.) [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 23:04, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | ::Is that right? And is there any other thing that needs to be addressed with the edits I've made beside the eras box? (I meant to say era box at the beginning.) [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 23:04, October 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::::The U.S. Marine Corps does not belong to, nor answer to, the U.S. Navy. You fail at attempting to explain it. Read Tony's message carefully, and stop posting useless messages (the one I just deleted). <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | :::::The U.S. Marine Corps does not belong to, nor answer to, the U.S. Navy. You fail at attempting to explain it. Read Tony's message carefully, and stop posting useless messages (the one I just deleted). <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 20:16, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::actually smoke, the US Marines today DO belong to the US Navy. | ::::::actually smoke, the US Marines today DO belong to the US Navy. The Marines budget comes from the US Navy, but they are allowed to operate independently and represent themselves in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. | ||
:::::::Their budget comes from the Department of Defense, which goes to the Department of Navy, which goes to the US Marine Corps...the US Navy has no business in the matter. If the Navy was responsible for their annual budgetary concerns, then they'd be extremely happy with assimilating them back into the small Naval infantry forces they once were, which in turn would give them a larger budget. Now...does any of that makes sense to you either? {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | :::::::Their budget comes from the Department of Defense, which goes to the Department of Navy, which goes to the US Marine Corps...the US Navy has no business in the matter. If the Navy was responsible for their annual budgetary concerns, then they'd be extremely happy with assimilating them back into the small Naval infantry forces they once were, which in turn would give them a larger budget. Now...does any of that makes sense to you either? {{User:CommanderTony/Sig}} | ||
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:::::::::Oohrah, Smoke, I'm back after hiatus and Marines reinforcements have arrived, Smoke's right! [[User talk:Griever0311|Griever0311]] 19:18, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | :::::::::Oohrah, Smoke, I'm back after hiatus and Marines reinforcements have arrived, Smoke's right! [[User talk:Griever0311|Griever0311]] 19:18, December 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
You know WHAT!SCREW you guy's I may be an idiot little snot nosed kid as I know you would call me if you knew how old I was but i'm future USMC straight into the soul. you don't even know the half of what i'll have to do to get in,but for starters I have to get Lasik to fix my crappy vision and pray I lose my asthma enough to do those long run's Marines do.and here my parents are already telling my I HAVE to go Navy because of their higher survival rate. My own parents think I'm so dumb I'm going to get shot in the ass so you guys can just back off[[Special:Contributions/4.153.67.200|4.153.67.200]] 03:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Lance Corporal Phy-ODST | |||
== huh? == | == huh? == | ||