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In Halo: Reach, a ship that's clearly a Covenant Assault Carrier is consistenly called a Supercarrier.[[User talk:Mutoid Chief|Mutoid Chief]] 21:20, September 14, 2010 (UTC) | In Halo: Reach, a ship that's clearly a Covenant Assault Carrier is consistenly called a Supercarrier.[[User talk:Mutoid Chief|Mutoid Chief]] 21:20, September 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
: I second that, even if that ship was beastly huge compared to past incarnations.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 23:46, September 14, 2010 (UTC) | :I second that, even if that ship was beastly huge compared to past incarnations.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 23:46, September 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
It may look the same, but the size difference means it isn't an assault carrier. Some patrol boats look like destroyers these days, that doesn't make them the same. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Blue">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 03:47, September 15, 2010 (UTC)' | It may look the same, but the size difference means it isn't an assault carrier. Some patrol boats look like destroyers these days, that doesn't make them the same. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Blue">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 03:47, September 15, 2010 (UTC)' | ||
: Is there that big of a size difference? Looks the same size as the old Assault Carrier to me. Beyond that, the only difference between the Supercarrier and the Assault Carrier in the Halo Encyclopedia is about 6 meters. That seems insignificant enough for them be both classified as the same ship, with Assault Carrier or Super Carrier being used to describe their role. Ex: Shadow of Intent and Regret's ships were leading full assaults, and the Super Carrier in Reach was a preliminary attack ship that was carrying a large number of forces under the radar (or as under the radar as you can get using a Super-carrier)to attack Reach's surface to soften it up for the main force, but it wasn't leading an assault fleet. | |||
:Is there that big of a size difference? Looks the same size as the old Assault Carrier to me. Beyond that, the only difference between the Supercarrier and the Assault Carrier in the Halo Encyclopedia is about 6 meters. That seems insignificant enough for them be both classified as the same ship, with Assault Carrier or Super Carrier being used to describe their role. Ex: Shadow of Intent and Regret's ships were leading full assaults, and the Super Carrier in Reach was a preliminary attack ship that was carrying a large number of forces under the radar (or as under the radar as you can get using a Super-carrier)to attack Reach's surface to soften it up for the main force, but it wasn't leading an assault fleet. | |||
If the only notable differences are that minor, then really, these should both fall under Assault Carrier. The Supercarrier apparently is merely built on a slightly larger chassis, but otherwise is visually the same and functionally the same. Really not enough to justify a separate article if this is in fact the case.[[User talk:Fire Eater|Fire Eater]] 03:25, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | If the only notable differences are that minor, then really, these should both fall under Assault Carrier. The Supercarrier apparently is merely built on a slightly larger chassis, but otherwise is visually the same and functionally the same. Really not enough to justify a separate article if this is in fact the case.[[User talk:Fire Eater|Fire Eater]] 03:25, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I suggest we put this to a vote. [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 21:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | :I suggest we put this to a vote. [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 21:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I would oppose such merge. Multiple sources agreed that supercarrier and the assault carrier are two different ships. Although they may look similar in appearances, their role is different.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:16, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::There's also the possibility that "supercarrier" is also used to refer to any large carrier, like how "carrier" is used to refer to any class in general.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 21:22, September 17, 2010 (UTC)'' | ::There's also the possibility that "supercarrier" is also used to refer to any large carrier, like how "carrier" is used to refer to any class in general.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 21:22, September 17, 2010 (UTC)'' | ||
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One thing I should mention was while, I was playing was that the super carrier seems to have more of a reddish tint to it than the assault carriers. May have just been lighting, but I felt I should mention it.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 21:30, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | One thing I should mention was while, I was playing was that the super carrier seems to have more of a reddish tint to it than the assault carriers. May have just been lighting, but I felt I should mention it.--[[User talk:Zervziel|For the Swarm!]] 21:30, September 17, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I disagree this thing looks massive in size when the corvette passed under it | :I disagree this thing looks massive in size when the corvette passed under it | ||
:much bigger than the Forward unto Dawn looked when it passed by the shadow of intent. | |||
:Forgot to sign the above comment but i also should mention that we don't even know if a assault carrier can cloak like this supercarrier can | |||
:until we find out if they can i think this should be a separate page.[[User talk:Admiralmorris|Admiralmorris]] 21:30, September 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I'm opposing as well, mostly for the reasons Subtank and Forerunner brought up, while appearing similar, essentially they are different. [[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]][[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]][[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]] 22:31, September 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I'll leave it to this assessment. | |||
Arguments for: | |||
*It looks just like an Assault Carrier. | |||
*Much of the literature made it sound like an Assault Carrier. | |||
*It serves much of the same kind of purpose in battle. | |||
Arguments against: | |||
*The name's different. | |||
*It's 6 meters bigger. | |||
*Assault Carriers may or may not have cloaking. | |||
This is sounding a whole lot like the previous argument about whether the ''Halo Wars'' Mark IV was really the canonical default armor, or just artistic license. Something like cloaking is easy to reconcile, we simply never saw them use it. The name is not a hard leap, that is after all a UNSC designation, which could have changed easily later, after they got more familiar with that particular ship's usage. One half of a compound word is hardly a barrier, and seeing as the two look exactly the same, the burden of proof rests on the extraodinary claim in these cases, which is proving that it's different when it looks, acts, and does exactly the same as the two. If there's sources arguing against this, then yes, they are different. Otherwise, the unfounded claim is in their differences, not their similarity.[[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 23:49, September 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||