Halopedia:Discord server/Contact: Difference between revisions

==Pre-amble==

For those of you that don't know, the contact of an IRC channel is the user with the highest access, who is responsible for running the channel in collaboration with the higher level ops (in our case, the other Halopedia admins).

===Reasoning===

Now, as to my reasons for wanting contact status:

===So, what will change?===

'''Nothing.'''  

*I have no plans to dick around with the channel settings. They're fine as they are.

==Questions==

:''Anything I haven't covered above? Feel free to ask any questions here.''

==Voting==

:''Please indicate support or opposition below. If we can keep this nice and tidy that'd be for the best. Anything longer than a couple of lines should probably be in discussion.''

===Support (23/4)===

#{{Support}} Manticore knows all about IRC and such [[User:Pinky49|Pinky]] ^{[[User talk:Pinky49|Talk]]} 17:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

#'''Strong''' {{support}} - from what I've seen, Manticore is obviously the best user to this position. He is very trustworthy user who knows a lot (probably even more than ''I'' do!) about IRC and thus he has my full support. --[[User:Jack Phoenix|Jack Phoenix]] _{([[User talk:Jack Phoenix|Contact]])} 17:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{support}} - sure, he atleast has the irc knowlege to be worthy of it. oh, and hes a decent person too. --[[User:Uberfuzzy|Uberfuzzy]] 18:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

#<s>{{support}} --[[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]} ^{[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]} 19:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC) </s>

#:''I've heard some rumors... And I didn't like what I heard.'' [[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]} ^{[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]} 19:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{support}} A local admin is always better then having to run back to wikia whenever you need something done.--[[User:Tesfan|Tesfan]] 19:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{support}} he's helped several users out there before, so why not...(including me :D)  

#{{support}}--[[User:Darth tom|Darth tom]] [[User talk:Darth tom|(talk)]]

# '''Strong''' {{support}}. Manticore has significant experience and knowledge when it comes to IRC and I can't think of a more acceptable candidate for this position. I know without a doubt Manticore would be outstanding in his duties, regardless of these "rumors" you've been hearing. [[User:Phil.e.|<span style="background:black; font-family:Courier New; font-size:10pt; color:white;">''' ''Phil.e.'' '''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Phil.e.|<span style="color:black;">[Talk to me]</span>]]} 22:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{Support}} If not Manticore, then who? [[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 14:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

#{{Support}}. Manticore, handsome, clever, and rich, with a comfortable home and happy disposition, seemed to unite some of the best blessings of existence; and had lived nearly twenty-one years in the world with very little to distress or vex him. --[[Wikia:User:Mitch 1 2|Mitch]]

#'''Strong''' {{Support}} I think you deserve it. [[User:SpecopsElite342|ZukaRasami]] 22:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

#{{Support}} '''[[User:ChurchReborn|<font color="black">Church</font>]]'''[[User talk:ChurchReborn|<font color="Red">'''Re'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ChurchReborn|<font color="Black">'''born'''</font>]] 04:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

#'''Very Strongly'''' {{Oppose}} You ignore me all the time. Why should you get this? [[User:Bllasae|Bllasae]] 20:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{oppose}} I've heard some rumors that I ''really'' don't like. I'd like to talk to you about that. [[User:Ghost sangheili|<span style="color: red; font-family: Papyrus; font-size: 12pt;">'''Pryo 'Zarkum,'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Ghost sangheili|[<font color="orange">iTalk</font>]]]} _{[[Special:Contributions/Ghost sangheili|[<font color="green">iWork</font>]]]} ^{[http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Life_of_War [<font color="blue">iWrite</font>]]} 19:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

#:What's your IRC nick? I'd like to check my logs because I haven't been on IRC today (my local time). {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 08:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

#::I've decided to remove my vote because I've seen and heard bad some bad stuff about you on IRC, but the reasons you and others have out are seeming otherwise, so I'm going to take off my vote for now. [[User:Delta-269|<font color="Grey">Fire</font>]][[User talk:Delta-269|<font color="Grey">Team</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Delta-269|<font color="Red">Sierra</font>]] 14:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

#:Well, I've just had a nice little chat with Manticore about these rumours and his deeds. I will now proceed to make a panegryic about the situation and its consequences. So far, the situation goes as follows.

##Uncyclopedian raiders demonstrate their usual behaviour by attacking channel #halopedia and spamming (as usual). No involvement of Manticore as of yet.

##People are instantly roused that Manticore has unbanned the spammers, resulting in this conflict with the voting for the Contact.

#:All in all, the basic foundation for the complaint against Manticore was the rumours that he had actually ''invited'' the spammers. These are proven to be flagitious and inaccurate lies. Consequently, I believe that Manticore deserves Contact not only because of his previous experience, but also his method of persisting in his innocence.  

#<s>{{Oppose}} - '''[[User:ChurchReborn|<font color="black">Church</font>]]'''[[User talk:ChurchReborn|<font color="Red">'''Re'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ChurchReborn|<font color="Black">'''born'''</font>]] 09:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)</s>

#:Fair call Blemo; sometimes I do act too inappropriately in #halopedia. I'm sure I'm not the only one guilty of that though, and it certainly doesn't detract from my ability to act as an op (nor as admin here). However, before more people go jumping on this "#uncyc invasion" bandwagon, I should elaborate on your short summary. As I have explained to Tony already, I removed ineffective session-only bans, and inappropriate range bans lazily set by other ops (which banned approximately 1,000 IP addresses from the channel). These may very well have included those of #uncyclopedia users, but I wasn't about to sit and let *wikia* be banned from #halopedia. When I returned to my keyboard later on and saw the mess going on, I muted the offending users and cleared the channel. As for the ban you referenced above, it was when we were all being silly in the channel, and I can provide a full log of your "hug flood" if really needed. To the other users who opposed based on this reason alone, please consider this - while I might want to sit in IRC for hours on end chatting to you all, I just can't. I have university, work, and my own real-world social life. The time I do get to spend around the place is usually spent clearing an epic backlog of crap. I stay in #halopedia while doing this so that users who need help can get it, and vandals and trolls can be reported and dealt with quickly. It's frankly a hassle when something needs to be done with the channel and I can't do it. Much more than I emphasised above, I'd also love for us to be able to have <tt>halopedia</tt> cloaks to wear on freenode. This is something that the group contact needs to fill in all the paperwork for, and at the moment, a representative of this community isn't that person. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 07:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

#::Of course everyone breaks some of the rules, even ops in the channel break rules. I do at times and so do other ops. And for the Uncyclo thing, that was frustrating when some of the users got unbanned and came back. If you watched them spam the channel or just came back to the keyboard and muted/cleared the users or saw some of then announcing their raid in #uncyclo I wouldn't know, cos I wouldn't expect someone that's usually in more than 5 channels at time to be looking at ''one'' particular channel 24/7. And I can understand if you were just being silly, and it is hilarious most of the time, but at times it's just too much for #Halopedia. People would expect you to be a little more respectful of users, especially new users who don't know any better. Yeah muting someone for a small amount of time for spamming/flooding or whatever for the lulz is hilarious, but it's a lot better if the mute is removed after 10 minutes at least. And I think people are afraid that if you got contact status that you would abuse it for the lulz of something, it could be funny, but both frustrating at the same time. Especially if it isn't put back the way whatever was changed was. A lot of the newer users were told about the crap that happened LAST SUMMER, which was when me and some other users were being dumb and not understanding anything and acting out like little kids that didn't get any candy when they wanted some do. Really, I would of been pissed off too, but it was possible to handle it in a more secure and mature matter, but it's understandable that it wasn't. But whatever now, the users that are still here from that aren't little n00bs anymore and can actually sort most things out without being complete, mindless idiots. But my thing is just showing users a little respect and not being so harsh sometimes. Like I said, it can be funny but too excessive and a pain to have users constantly complain about it. I mean don't get me wrong, your skills for this position is excellent, but people are hearing things and not understanding what happened. No, I'm not going around telling people crap about you, all I've said really is just things you've done from the most logical point of view I could think of instead of my own, I mean, I think I'm not just saying my own point of view. I think you're a pretty nice, funny guy that likes to be silly at times, but just too harsh sometimes. If you're used to #Uncyclo that makes sense, but being able to adapt to being different in different channels would help. Oh, btw, so I don't have to go through the pain of loading another page, that Graestan thing was cos before he had joined the channel like a week or something before I had ops methinks and did sexual things to a few of the users; made me weary of him of course, then the second time was just caps/spam/annoying every user in the channel from breaking the rules, plus what he did before - decided that'd be best just to ban him, didn't ban him cos he's a wookieepedian admin, just the usual stuff. Besides, he should of known better than to just join and do those types of things.. And my bad if this makes no sense whatsoever.. It's gone past 2am here >.>  '''[[User:ChurchReborn|<font color="black">Church</font>]]'''[[User talk:ChurchReborn|<font color="Red">'''Re'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ChurchReborn|<font color="Black">'''born'''</font>]] 09:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)  

#:''Your'' #wikia access was removed months ago by Wikia Staff following several complaints about your own actions there. What has happened with that since is really none of my concern. As for any channel naming conflicts, I have yet to be contacted by JSharp nor by any other staffer to resolve these. I'm not quite sure why you are speaking for Wikia on this matter, either.

#:I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about in regards to Churchreborn's access. It's true that I initially opposed her having ops based on her apparent inactivity in the channel (explained best I suppose by the difference between our timezones). However, ''I'' was the one who added her as an op following a consensus to do so amongst the administrators. I would think this demonstrates my ability to act neutrally and to follow the consensus of the other senior ops, don't you? That's really all this position is about. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 05:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

#::AJ is Sgt.johnson, no? I never mentioned him. Why are we bringing him up? As for CR, I was just recalling what we had discussed before. My op status in #halopedia was just an example, I could care less if I ever got it back. Commander Tony and GPT were the two admins who had added me about 5 times, before Manticore decided to stop playing the add/remove game, change my access level to -50, add me to the auto-ban list, and be done with it. Real mature, right? As I said, I could care less about whether the admins then or now approved or disapproved of my #halopedia access, it's not that important. I just used Manticore's way of handling the situation in my oppose reason. I'd be happy to discuss any further issues with you, forgottenlord. --{{User:Charitwo/Sig}} 01:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

#:::AJ comes up because you claimed that support from channel regulars matters when it comes to being opped.  Just like with the CR case, your inability to grasp important details in what was being discussed and drawing different conclusions from the evidence results in many other questions.  I'm not positive what changing your access to level -50 does, but if it, on its own, does nothing, it works well as a clear message of "stop f***ing with this" - which, actually, isn't an inappropriate response since other admins were giving you ops without full consultation of the team as is supposed to happen.  Adding you to autoban could be for plenty of reasons so if you would be so kind as to provide logs of these incidents, that would be helpful - for all I know, autoban could've been because you'd been bitching at Manticore too much about him removing your ops access.  I'm not saying there aren't plenty of reasons to oppose Manticore's being given contact - after all, I did vote against him, myself - nor am I saying that you are wrong with at least some of your claims and have legitimate reason to oppose Manticore on at least some of these grounds.  I'm merely saying the evidence you provide conflicts heavily with the evidence I have at my disposal and thus raises serious questions about your claims.  As such, your evidence needs to be backed up by more than just your heresay.  Truly, from such a perspective, Manticore's word carries more and he has directly disputed your claims.  --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 02:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

#:::::Your attitude is worse than useless.  This is why so many votes are not just up/down votes over the issue.  We don't need people just rattling off "I vote against you" because what we want is reasoned debate and intelligent discussion.  Stating a bunch of claims and then failing to back it up is as bad or worse than just giving a vote - especially when the person you're making the claims about doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.  This isn't just about your vote, it's about the reason behind your vote.  Why is that important?  Because other users and admins can come along and look at these reasons and make INFORMED decisions about how they want to vote with full knowledge of Manticore's history.  Furthermore, giving this information may reveal something to Manticore that he wasn't aware of so that he can take corrective action and recognize his flaws and failings.  It becomes worse than useless because as it is, your sole result is creating bitter feelings while providing nothing that can be used for constructive gain by this community or any of its individuals. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

#:::::PS: I'm actually quite interested in your claims being proven as they're the first claims against Manticore's handling of the bureaucratic side rather than just the moderation side (of which we have MORE than enough) --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{oppose}} Mainly because of [[User:Lordofmonsterisland/IRC_Quotes#Rules_to_Surviving_a_Horror_movie......._and_other_stuff|this]] I am opposing.  This is an instance of unfair use of power that I do not stand for, which is why I oppose this possibility. [[User:ShadowyLeftHand|Lefty]] 17:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

#{{Oppose}} After a lot of thought, I've decided to oppose.  In truth, I believe that it is desirable to have the contact be a Halopedian, but in truth, I don't see any satisfactory options for such a contact.  Indeed, only Dragonclaws would I, at the time, consider for the position and even then, his present lack of activity makes him illsuited for such a job.  We can operate satisfactorily for now with Sannse as contact.  While Contact is a bureaucratic position, the reality is that IRC requires moderation as its most important skill and giving you what is, in some ways, a promotion with a clear history of poor moderation actions simply goes against what I believe to be proper. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 01:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

##Sorry, I'm a little confused. You [http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Halopedia:IRC_Channel/Contact&diff=546496&oldid=546428 supported here]. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 05:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:Heh. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 02:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:::O.O.[[User:Bllasae|Bllasae]] 02:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

:It was discussed [http://halopedian.com/Halopedia_talk:IRC_Channel#Ahax_for_op.21 here]. Perhaps you should add that page to your watchlist. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 02:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:I don't even think [[User:CommanderTony|CommanderTony]] or [[User:SpecOps306|Spops']] are on the mailing list either. '''[[User:ChurchReborn|<font color="black">Church</font>]]'''[[User talk:ChurchReborn|<font color="Red">'''Re'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ChurchReborn|<font color="Black">'''born'''</font>]] 23:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

::''I'' and most likely a few other users would know because both of them have said that they were told that they were not on it in public. '''[[User:ChurchReborn|<font color="black">Church</font>]]'''[[User talk:ChurchReborn|<font color="Red">'''Re'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ChurchReborn|<font color="Black">'''born'''</font>]] 09:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::::Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as aggressive. I was just concerned; we use email for discussing important and often sensitive information, and I would hate to think that information from those emails was being shared with non-administrators. {{User:Manticore/Sig}} 07:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:::However, some time to think about it has given me a lot of variables to consider still.  While I do object to your behavior and actions as moderator, the truth is that the channel contact does not equate to automatic moderatorship, but is merely a bureaucratic position.  So long as we can be decently certain that you would not abuse the bureaucratic position and not respect a moderation suspension handed out by your fellow admins nor suspend a fellow admin without the other admins consenting (both abuses that GPT did), there is much less of a problem.  Obviously I have much more to consider still.... --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 18:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:From a technical perspective, not really (Freenode admins can obviously overrule, though they don't get involved in channel politics).  From an official perspective, the contact remains answerable to the combined admin staff. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 03:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This is an example of what IRC responsibility is all about. http://p.defau.lt/?UbDCjdOTF82sQ06iYNefhw --{{User:Charitwo/Sig}} 00:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)