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[[File: | ==POA Map?== | ||
[[File:HaloCE-Maw-PoA-Fore-Crash.jpg|thumb|POA on Halo]]Someone should make a map of the autumn cause that would be cool with with everything from front to back. Also does anyone know what those 2 people in that skybox like window in the Bridge are soposed to be doing in in the Piller Of Autumn level.--[[User:Leckgolo434|prophit of war]] 22:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
:[http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_poaconundrum/images/POA-Full-Int-Ext.jpg Here] is a map. Bungie didn't design the inside and the outside to be the same scale, though. I don't know about the other. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 23:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | :[http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_poaconundrum/images/POA-Full-Int-Ext.jpg Here] is a map. Bungie didn't design the inside and the outside to be the same scale, though. I don't know about the other. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 23:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
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*In space, Keyes sent 2 teams of SPARTAN-IIs: Blue Team (to destroy UNSC Circumference's data base) and Red Team (to protect MAC guns shield generators). | *In space, Keyes sent 2 teams of SPARTAN-IIs: Blue Team (to destroy UNSC Circumference's data base) and Red Team (to protect MAC guns shield generators). | ||
*Blue Team (John and wounded Linda, James went MIA because of his damaged T-Pack) and 4 Marines, returned to the Autumn. | *Blue Team (John and wounded Linda, James went MIA because of his damaged T-Pack) and 4 Marines, returned to the Autumn. | ||
*Cortana "random" slipspace jumped the Autumn to Alpha Halo (Installation 04) | *Cortana "random" slipspace jumped the Autumn to Alpha Halo (Installation 04) | ||
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Thanks, S331 13:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | Thanks, S331 13:32, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The Autumn had been on Reach for a while, undergoing modifications. If the rest of that FoR section is canon, the Autumn then deploys SPARTANs before evacuating from the system.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 13:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | :The Autumn had been on Reach for a while, undergoing modifications. If the rest of that FoR section is canon, the Autumn then deploys SPARTANs before evacuating from the system.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 13:58, September 16, 2010 (UTC)'' | ||
::So let me get this straight: all those things I listed happened after Noble Six helped PoA to escape Reach? Thanks for replying anyways S331 14:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::To me, it would seem that they happened before Noble Six helps the PoA escape. The ''Autumn'' partook in the space battle earlier in the day, and was going to jump away, but returned to Reach to the drydock for some reason, possibly for repairs or to retrieve the data delivered by Noble Team. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::That's possible. The detail I'm unsure about is the whole "marines putting on several house-sized ejectable engines within a few minutes" situation. I would prefer that they simply flew back to Reach for repairs.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 15:14, September 16, 2010 (UTC)'' | |||
:::::They had several hours to attach those rockets. I'm pretty sure they did that in space before they landed in Aszod, as the Autumn wasn't rated to land in atmosphere and as such, would need the additional engines to make a successful landing. Plus, who said the engines weren't already attached to the Autumn before the battle? They may also serve the purpose of the emergency thrusters mentioned in the book. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::Thanks for the discussion. I think the Autumn landed on Reach after the Chief and Linda returned, and landed there for repairs + package. Somewhat of an eye opener. [[User:Spartan331|S331]] 16:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::btw, am I the only one who thinks the PoA in these two scenes are placed in an awfully similar way? | |||
File:Reach 3889544 Full.jpg|200px File:HaloCE-Maw-PoA-Critical.png|200px[[User:Spartan331|S331]] 03:57, 16 November 2010 (EST) | |||
==Navy== | ==Navy== | ||
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It has already been proven in the Halo novels that the Autumn supported THOUSANDS of archer missiles, she was refitted prior to the battle for Reach to take a squad of spartans into Covenant space so the Autumn was deliberately fitted with well over the normal limit of armaments aboard UNSC ships. Basically she had HUNDREDS of pods, therefore, THOUSANDS of missiles. Kaosobsidian 21:45 20th December 2007. | It has already been proven in the Halo novels that the Autumn supported THOUSANDS of archer missiles, she was refitted prior to the battle for Reach to take a squad of spartans into Covenant space so the Autumn was deliberately fitted with well over the normal limit of armaments aboard UNSC ships. Basically she had HUNDREDS of pods, therefore, THOUSANDS of missiles. Kaosobsidian 21:45 20th December 2007. | ||
Why does Halo Warfleet claim that the PoA has only 32 pods? Or rather, they seem to count pods as 5-tube groups, since the visual model has 32x5 Archer pods, or 160 pods. I wonder, should one either change the nomenclature of the wiki (refering to pods as 5-tube groups), or change the description here to either 160 or 32x5 for the sake of internal consistency? | |||
--[[User:Hakura 99|Hakura 99]] ([[User talk:Hakura 99|talk]]) 07:48, February 19, 2021 (EST) | |||
==Scorpion Tank Complement== | ==Scorpion Tank Complement== | ||
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::because the pod WAS moving. Try watching the dvd | ::because the pod WAS moving. Try watching the dvd | ||
:::Its a simple camera trick, I believe. In terms of canon, yeah, the Autumn is moving. But since the Pillar of Autumn is a static object in the ''game'', Bungie moved the pod and camera to give the illusion of movement. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | :::Its a simple camera trick, I believe. In terms of canon, yeah, the Autumn is moving. But since the Pillar of Autumn is a static object in the ''game'', Bungie moved the pod and camera to give the illusion of movement. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 10:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
==Cleanup== | ==Cleanup== | ||
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Problably some sort of MAC guns[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 04:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC) | Problably some sort of MAC guns[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 04:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
They may be sensors of some sort.[[Special:Contributions/98.154.61.193|98.154.61.193]] 23:15, 28 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
==Marathon-class Cruiser?== | ==Marathon-class Cruiser?== | ||
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I didn't look that carefully, but how do we know that the Halcyon in the asteroid field is the Pillar of Autumn? | I didn't look that carefully, but how do we know that the Halcyon in the asteroid field is the Pillar of Autumn? | ||
Because in FoR, the ''Autumn'' fought a covenant vessel int eh asteroids, and there was only one other halcyon cruise left in active service, the ''[[UNSC Dawn Under Heaven]]'' [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:Blue">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 01:48, September 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Halcyon/POA modifications == | == Halcyon/POA modifications == | ||
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To save confusion this ships modifications should be displayed separatly to show its evolution as in each incarnation it is never the same. The same should apply to the halcyon class itself as no ship could have remained exactlyy the same throughout the whole war from its initial launch.[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 05:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC) | To save confusion this ships modifications should be displayed separatly to show its evolution as in each incarnation it is never the same. The same should apply to the halcyon class itself as no ship could have remained exactlyy the same throughout the whole war from its initial launch.[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 05:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Better Picture == | |||
anyone have a pic of the reimagined PoA Halo: CE beginning because that seems to show more detail than the ship-braking yards--[[Special:Contributions/97.106.137.90|97.106.137.90]] 15:43, 13 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I'd like to add to that: a better picture should be added not only from ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary'', but also from ''Halo: Reach'', like a transparent cutout image would definitely be nice. I know the image I uploaded of CommanderTony's ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser may not be enough, especially because it is quite possibly somewhat out of date compared to other higher-quality screenshots from other, newer Halo video games. Actually, come to think of it, both the ''Pillar of Autumn'' of ''Halo: Reach'' and ''Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary'' are aesthetically the same, considering 343i is using graphic assets from ''Halo: Reach''. Also, I think that whatever new image is made should also be posted in the [[Halcyon-class light cruiser|''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser]] article as well. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 14:01, 15 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:'''UPDATE''': Got plenty of new images both from ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''. So no need to worry anymore. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 09:59, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
==Changes Section== | |||
Shouldn't there be a Changes section on how it was designed and redesigned in the ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''? Something like a compare and contrast type of thing from game to game. I feel it is important that it be added so people can see more of a difference. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 09:59, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:Well, one sentence ought to do it: ''"The Pillar of Autumn was redesigned in ''Halo: Reach'', now sporting additional antennas, visible defense turrets/cannons, <insert-more-changes-here>."'' Honestly (and joking aside), the design changes wasn't that drastic enough for the article to even consider having a Changes section. Compared to H4's redesign of almost everything, PoA's redesign is expected and falls within fan's satisfactory threshold. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:23, 9 July 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Well, put that way, I guess that should be more than enough. It is enough to leave it at that. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:39, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
==ODST numbers== | |||
How can there be 530 ODSTs but only 400 marines? {{Unsigned|162.234.136.110}} | |||
:Probably because the ODSTs were assigned to the Autumn to support the Spartans in Operation RED FLAG, while the Marines were either from the original complement, or stragglers from Reach desperate to get offworld. I highly doubt either number is the typical complement of a UNSC cruiser. The Autumn was the exception to a lot of rules. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:22, 27 November 2015 (EST) | |||
==Longsword Numbers== | |||
How can there be only 5 Longswords onboard? Halo: Warfleet states that the UNSC Pillar of Autumn had only 5 Longswords on board but it lost 5 during the Fall of Reach and had two escorting in Halo: Combat Evolved, and then there is the one Chief used to escape? So shouldn't the number be 8? Should a note be made about the correct amount or should the inconsistency be ignored and just accept what Halo: Warfleet states? | |||