Talk:MJOLNIR (B)

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Wow CT, You couldn't of just renamed mine instead of deleteing it? It doesn't matter but you completly wasted my time, and don't say you didn't. But oh will, not that important, just kinda of unerving.Lekgolo 02:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Its not that big a deal. Chances are if you feel the need to rant about something, you probably shouldn't. Might come back to bite you on the ass. BLADEBANE Anti-Vandal 02:53, March 28, 2010 (UTC)Blade bane

Most likly, but I like to risk it.Lekgolo 18:13, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently nobody can decide on a name....Sith-venator Wavingstrider (Commlink) 18:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If we can't decide on a name then it must be called Unknown MJOLNIR Mark V Variant 18:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC) —This unsigned comment was made by Vegerot (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

No, it shouldn't. We know the name, the problem was whether to call it "Mark V(B) MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor" or "MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B)". --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I personally like MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B).Sith-venator Wavingstrider (Commlink) 20:10, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

This is the format of all the other Variants so we either change this or we change everything else.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 20:22, March 28, 2010 (UTC)!

This is the naming convention we use for the other privatised variations: Mark V(m) MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor and Mark VI(A) MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor.-- Forerunner 07:05, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

It would be better if we did it the other way because it shows it better. ANd so far we have only had comments about why we should do it this way (MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B)) and we haven't had any reason otherwise. So the majority says they like it the other way better and this is a democracy, (well at least if you live in the U.S.A) so lets give the people what they want!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 16:01, March 29, 2010 (UTC)!!

This isn't the USA, and the USA is not a democracy - it's a republic. Halopedia is not a democracy, and even if it was; I DON'T SEE A MAJORITY VOTE HERE. Smoke^{Sound off!} 16:04, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Mark V[B] and the standard one

I just wanted to ask for a clarification on this trivia statement:

Mark V[B] was released in 2551 to Noble Team; one year before the standard model was available to the SPARTAN-IIs.

From Bungie's Q&A:

S-117 was not the first Spartan to receive the Mk. V armor, as he had been in the field when it entered service on 24 Nov 2551.

From that, there is nothing to indicate that only the [B] variant was released in 2551. The way I see it, the basic Mark V (not just the [B] model) was released in 2551 for all Spartans who weren't in the field, not just for Noble Team. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 20:08, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

But then what about Gamma Company?!Gogeta21 22:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)!!!!

I'm sure it was just for Noble team. I mean, it's made by a private corporation. With each armour piece costing the UNSC as much as a fleet-worth of Destroyers (at least the constant development of the standard V), I'm not sure they'd be able to fund more than Noble Team's roster. Gamma company and the Headhunter specialists still had their SPI armour while Black team had their own prototype variant.-- Forerunner 22:49, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

MJOLNIR didn't cost them a fleet of Destroyers. The whole SPARTAN-II project costed more than that.—This unsigned comment was made by Gogeta21 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~

It's obvious that MJOLNIR wasn't issued for Gamma Company. But my point was, is there anything to indicate that only the [B] model (and not the "default" Mark V) was released in 2551? The Bungie Q&A never mentions anything more specific than just "Mark V". Judging by that statement, it seems more likely that the Mark V armor itself was released then, and Noble Team just happens to wear the [B] variant. Here's the entire quote:

S-117 was not the first Spartan to receive the Mk. V armor, as he had been in the field when it entered service on 24 Nov 2551. The most obvious indication of this is how familiar the Marines on the UNSC Pillar of Autumn (C-709) were with the armor.

So, what was so special about 29 Aug 2552? This was the very first time a "smart" AI had "piggy-backed" in the Mjolnir Mk. V powered assault armor during "live-fire" simulated combat conditions.

From this, it seems that all Spartan-IIs (not IIIs like Gamma) who weren't in the field at the time (plus Noble Team) received the Mark V in 2551.

As a side note, do we know if the entire armor set is the [B] variant or simply a visually upgraded default Mark V? The Reach armory only mentions Mark V[B] shoulder pads and helmet. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

[B] is technically a visually upgraded version of Combat Evolved. Bungie made it a different model so they could be more free with its look. Remember that all SPARTANs who received Mark V before August 2552 were secret. Perhaps ONI simply copied Halsey's standard design and had other teams work on variants. That way, they could hand them out without Halsey knowing they existed. Furthermore, I believe that Halsey's version was already complete some time before 2552; CQC and Security also being ready with it. I assume that she kept hers unreleased to the SPARTANs because she wanted to enhance them better; ie. attempt to enhance the shields. The Mark V officially entered service on 30 August, 2552. Releases before then were kept as secret or alternatively handed out as prototypes.-- Forerunner 17:40, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Where was it ever stated that releases before Aug 2552 were kept secret? The way I understand the B.net answer, the official release was on 24 Nov 2551. Aug 31 2552 was simply when John received it, and the first time it was used with a Smart AI. There is nothing to indicate - not even in The Fall of Reach - that releases before Aug 2552 were kept secret from anybody. The original intention in Fall of Reach might've been that John was the first one to use the armor but it was never directly stated. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 17:53, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps Noble Team was special. Like the Office of Naval Intelligence wanted to see if a group of SPARTAN-IIIs(Jorge was probably already wearing it beforehand) could wear an armor like this. So they created a new variant specifically for SPARTAN-IIIs (they probably downgraded the reaction time, AI system so they wouldn't die when then AI went in their heads, etc.). And before they know it, Reach is under attack so they went into battle.Gogeta21 20:37, May 5, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!

Alright, I'm not sure how your post is relevant to the discussion. Just to clarify, my points were:

A. Judging by the official answer from Bungie, the entire Mark V set was officially released on 24 November 2551, not just the Mark V[B]. Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that this release was kept secret from anyone or that it was exclusive for Noble Team or only a select group of Spartan-IIs. The only reason John got the armor almost a year later was that he was on the field when it was released.

B. There is no proof whatsoever that any components other than the helmet and the shoulder plates are designated Mark V[B]. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 19:29, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. If the helmet and shoulder pads are the only confirmed parts of the suit as being Mark V[B], then where are the standard Mark components, namely the helmet and shoulder pads?

What about the body of the suit itself? Is that the standard Mark V body, or is it also the V[B]? Is the armor in Reach simply another example of Bungie doing the fairly limited "mix-and-match" scheme as they did before? --Exalted Obliteration 21:59, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The rest of the armor might be designated Mark V[B], but we have no confirmation on that. As far as we know, it might simply be an aesthetic upgrade of the standard Mark V. The Armory in Reach makes no mention of other components being Mark V[B], not even the chest. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 07:19, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

It'll be the same as V[m] and VI[a]. All three are privately-manufactured variants that only posess a Helmet or Shoulders.-- Forerunner 08:17, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Shoulders

The shoulders that were known as Mark V[B] during the Beta are now known as FJ/PARA. http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14276699/halo-project/videos/halor_armory_montage_072210.html;jsessionid=2wjq8dkvoqx64?show=hi -TheLostJedi 13:14, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

A Bungie image from before the Beta confirmed that both appear as shoulders. FJ/Para is a non-standard Mark V shoulder piece, you can use it on any suit to make you more aerodynamic.-- Forerunner 13:58, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

FJ/PARA and Mk V[B]

I removed the shoulder pauldron from the article because it's apparent that the Mk V[B] shoulder from the beta is now the Para shoulder for some reason. I was referring to this and this (on the page, it mentions that Kat has FJ/PARA shoulders). Even though I can't begin to fathom why this change was made, that seems sufficient evidence to me. --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 10:37, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Shield Recharging

Does anyone know how much slower the shields are to recharge than the armor featured in Halo 1-3?

Thanks!

-TheDudeMarky

They all recharge at different speeds and on different difficulties.--Blahmarrow 18:32, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

CNM-I?

File:Mark V(B) with CNM-I.jpg|400px|right]] Just wanted to bring this up, i found a weird helmet while doing the Armor permutation glitch; It resembles a Mark V (B) with a CNM-I attachment(like from a HAZOP helmet). Thing is, as far as i know, Mark V (B) doesn't have a CNM-I attachment. Is this just a glitch or is it indicative of more armors hidden in the game or something? DatrDeletr 05:40, 13 November 2010 (EST)

Glitch. I've found the Mark V visor, basic one, on EVA, and some my personal favorite, UA on Air Assault. EM

Yep, that's a V(B) with the unnamed night-vision like attachment and a Command Network Module-Improved. In terms of canon, and game file settings any attachment could be attached to any helmet, there's just only a few available for us to use in the armory. The randomly generated Spartans in Lone Wolf can do the same thing, I've seen grenade belts on chests that don't have them normally, and vice versa, and I've also seen the Patrol chest without the ghillie on it, because, technically, the game can do that. We just have limited options. Alex T Snow 05:50, 15 November 2010 (EST)

(B) or [B]

I noticed that the page title uses (B) but everywhere else its mentioned its written as [B]. Why? is this an oversight? --File:Legendary.jpg|20px]]Ender the XenocideFile:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 16:31, 17 November 2010 (EST)

No. Wiki formatting can't use the box bracket as it would be unlinkable (links using the same bracket format). Just make sure the page itself calls it the Mark V[B] while ignoring the title.-- 86.133.76.36 17:17, 17 November 2010 (EST)

yes but i got around that by typing for example: [[MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V(B)|Mark[B]]] which results in Mark[B]. so maybe a [B] in the actual page name wont affect a link if you type it this way. or maybe is it that you can only type []s after the | --File:Legendary.jpg|20px]]Ender the XenocideFile:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 17:34, 17 November 2010 (EST)

The latter. Title have some limit; trying to create a MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V[B] would result in the following message, The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title. It may contain one or more characters which cannot be used in titles. - 5əb'7aŋk^(7alk) 17:48, 17 November 2010 (EST)

Oh okay thanks for clearing that up --File:Legendary.jpg|20px]]Ender the XenocideFile:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 17:51, 17 November 2010 (EST)

will inserting this text {{Title|MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/Mark V[B]}} solve the problem?--Ender the Xenocide 18:42, 6 December 2010 (EST)

Whoah! so it worked!!!--Ender the Xenocide 18:42, 6 December 2010 (EST)

Beta material

Does beta material such as "The UA/Multi-threat chest plate was previously seen in the Beta as the Scout chest plate, purchasable for 200 cR. The Beta version lacked the grenade belt." in the trivia belong in here? That particular UA chest piece isnt even mark V [B], it's [W]. Can someone clear this up?--UNSCSILVERSTREAK 17:34, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

I see now that there is some internal inconsistancy that needs to be resolved and therefore, it may appear as if I did not know what I was talking about. This exists on the UA pages concerning the UA Multi threat armor. Sorry for the inconvienance.--UNSCSILVERSTREAK 22:59, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

Title

Now that there is a Mark IV[B], we can't put it in this article titled MarkV[B]. However, it doesn't really deserve its own page. A solution is to rename this something like, simply, Mark [B] (idk), so that both iterations can remain.--Ender the Xenocide 01:38, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

Likely a prototype helmet for the Mark V, fielded as early as 2525 simply to gather data which would be used to improve the helmet. We've seen prototype gears being fielded to Spartans to gather more data to improve the gear for its official armour system (i.e. Mark VI helmet and Recon helmet in Reach are described as prototypes for the Mark VI).— subtank 01:45, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

So in the gallery it should be referred to as "Mark V[B] prototype" instead of "Mark IV[B]" right?--Ender the Xenocide 01:56, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

That's what I would do. — subtank 01:59, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

I don't know, I'm starting to think it's not the Mark V version prototype. It seems more like the [B] helmet of the Mark IV series. Then again, we can't really say anything at all on this topic and so maybe we should avoid trying to give the FUD appearance too specific a designation.--Ender the Xenocide 20:32, 20 October 2012 (EDT)

The Mark system wouldn't be introduced for another nine years, so therefore it can't be the "Mark IV[B]". These helmets were upgraded and carried over to the Mark V and Mark VI, respectively, but that doesn't mean that they were Mark V/Mark VI prototypes. Remember that MJOLNIR's external components are irrelevant; it's the internal architecture that matters. Fred's outfit is just a first-generation MJOLNIR variant that was later upgraded for use with the Mark V[B]. Any "proper" name we tried to give it, (i.e. "Mark IV[B]" or "Mark V[B] prototype"), would be fanon. --Courage never dies. 00:16, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

So all we can really say is that Fred's armor in FUD looks like the Mark V[B], 343 pulled a Homecoming.Sith-venator Wavingstrider (Commlink) 01:49, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

So no real edit has addressed this in the article. What decision should we take? As of now, the article currently contradicts itself; the intro refers to it as IV while the gallery has V prototype.--Ender the Xenocide 04:09, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

@Braidenvl: Can you supply the source for the Mark system introduction date? — subtank 08:56, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

Halsey's journal - January 7th, 2535 entry. It's also discussed here. --Courage never dies. 09:08, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

Hmm. Retroactive application maybe? Happens a lot, like the [GEN1] and [GEN2].

I am of the opinion that it is safe to treat the appearance of the Mark V[B] in FuD as a advanced prototype armour. This would be similar to the K-variant that appeared in "Birth of a Spartan": Frankie said that the armour is simply a prototype and that its intended appearance is for the Mark V. On that note, the description for the K-variant in the gallery is inaccurate since Frankie never said anything of the K-variant being part of the Mark IV. — subtank 11:33, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

Now we have to make a choice, because there is really such a thing as a MJOLNIR [B] armor according to Halo Waypoint (Fred's page), both for the Mark IV and Mark V. As stated earlier by Braidenvl, the term "Mark IV" didn't exist, but I think it's somehow irrelevant because names have often been applied retroactively. I suggest moving the page to "MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor/(B) variant", simply. Like we do for other armors. And this time, we can't really accuse 343i of canonizing Halopedia's speculation, because we did refrain from doing anything risky. I have to say I'm glad that they made this choice, in my head it had always been like this, although due to the above conversation I never really tried to force this into the wiki, for obvious reasons. Imrane-117 (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2014 (EST)

I wonder if they should really get separate pages. As I suggested, we usually put Mark IV, V and VI variants on the same page, for example "V variant". In this case, wouldn't "(B) variant" be able to group both Mark IV(B) and Mark V(B)? Imrane-117 (talk) 18:06, 10 November 2014 (EST)

Title V2

We may have to discuss making a possible exception to our new titling standard with this title because "B-class Mjolnir" sounds pretty weird to me. With most of the others there's always an actual proper name preceding "class" whereas with this one there's just a "B" — which should, more properly, be "(B)" or "[B]". Seeing as this particular armor is a bit of a different from most variants (as an alternate production model of the mainline Mark IV/V rather than a specialist variant), I'm wondering if it would be more apt to title it as "(B)-variant MJOLNIR" or something to that effect. Or at least add the brackets to the "B" and make it "(B)-class MJOLNIR". --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 12:04, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

Any of those sound fine to me. I just made sure this one didn't get left behind.Sith Venator (Dank Memes) 12:16, 14 June 2015 (EDT)