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==Mark VII & Gen2== | |||
Naomi is listed here as wearing Gen2, but Glasslands and Thursday War state that she is wearing Mjolnir Mark 7. These are two different lines of armor, where is the information that they are one and the same coming from? | |||
==GEN2?== | ==GEN2?== | ||
What exactly does GEN2 mean? I'm guessing it means Generation-II. So lightweight variants are GEN2 while normal Spartan-II variants are GEN1? I was hoping that this would have been the Mark VII. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 15:37, 25 May 2012 (EDT) | What exactly does GEN2 mean? I'm guessing it means Generation-II. So lightweight variants are GEN2 while normal Spartan-II variants are GEN1? I was hoping that this would have been the Mark VII. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 15:37, 25 May 2012 (EDT) | ||
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== VISR 4.0 == | == VISR 4.0 == | ||
This video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPKWXZyfa6o&] shows that the visors of the GEN 2 are called VISR 4.0, all the way up to 4.09. Does this mean that they are simply later versions of the ODST VISR? If so, does that mean the data and software on the visors are called VISR 4.0 or are the visors themselves called VISR 4.0? I put it in the article, but I linked to the [[VISR]] that mostly describes the ODST version. Do we need to distinguish between the two and if so, is an article needed or just a subsection?-- | This video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPKWXZyfa6o&] shows that the visors of the GEN 2 are called VISR 4.0, all the way up to 4.09. Does this mean that they are simply later versions of the ODST VISR? If so, does that mean the data and software on the visors are called VISR 4.0 or are the visors themselves called VISR 4.0? I put it in the article, but I linked to the [[VISR]] that mostly describes the ODST version. Do we need to distinguish between the two and if so, is an article needed or just a subsection?--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 04:17, 21 September 2012 (EDT) | ||
== Halo 4 armor considered a different set? == | == Halo 4 armor considered a different set? == | ||
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== Question == | == Question == | ||
I read the Interactive Guide on Waypoint and noticed that some of the armor systems were tested during the Covenant invasion of Earth. What confuses me is that there weren't Spartan-IV's yet, with the handful of II's and III's being unavailable. Some armor systems were still tested as MJOLNIR systems but apparently without sustainable testees. Who would've have been testing these? For example, it mentions that ONI personnel tested the Air Assault and Orbital variants around Earth and Luna but it doesn't imply that Spartan personnel were the ones who did it.-- | I read the Interactive Guide on Waypoint and noticed that some of the armor systems were tested during the Covenant invasion of Earth. What confuses me is that there weren't Spartan-IV's yet, with the handful of II's and III's being unavailable. Some armor systems were still tested as MJOLNIR systems but apparently without sustainable testees. Who would've have been testing these? For example, it mentions that ONI personnel tested the Air Assault and Orbital variants around Earth and Luna but it doesn't imply that Spartan personnel were the ones who did it.--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 05:26, 31 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
:Do we know for sure when the Spartan IV program was first started though? For all we know, the S-IVs could have been up and running during the Battle of Earth. Either way, I'm sure there's other methods of testing the armor without the use of Spartan IVs- I mean, what were Maria and Naomi doing in that time period? --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:37, 31 October 2012 (EDT) | :Do we know for sure when the Spartan IV program was first started though? For all we know, the S-IVs could have been up and running during the Battle of Earth. Either way, I'm sure there's other methods of testing the armor without the use of Spartan IVs- I mean, what were Maria and Naomi doing in that time period? --[[User talk:TDSpiral94|TDSpiral94]] 05:37, 31 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
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==Lack of Gel Layer== | ==Lack of Gel Layer== | ||
Does anyone know why the GEN2 Armor would lack a gel layer? Or was I not aware of something again? --[[User: Yoonhyuk-740|Yoonhyuk-740]]-- | Does anyone know why the GEN2 Armor would lack a gel layer? Or was I not aware of something again? --[[User: Yoonhyuk-740|Yoonhyuk-740]]-- | ||
:There was a thing regarding "Super Toxic" precursor compounds in the GEN1 systems, also the Force Multiplying circuit technology had undergone various improvements. --[[User:SpartanS36|SpartanS36]] ([[User talk:SpartanS36|talk]]) 13:58, 26 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Compatibility with earlier systems == | == Compatibility with earlier systems == | ||
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In a Waypoint Bulletin (can't find it) bs angel stated that the developers wanted to put all of the Chief's previous armor systems in Halo 4 but there wasn't enough room left on the game disc. This can be assumed to be the Mark IV and V. So does this mean that GEN2 is that far back backwards compatible?--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 23:56, 31 October 2012 (EDT) | In a Waypoint Bulletin (can't find it) bs angel stated that the developers wanted to put all of the Chief's previous armor systems in Halo 4 but there wasn't enough room left on the game disc. This can be assumed to be the Mark IV and V. So does this mean that GEN2 is that far back backwards compatible?--[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 23:56, 31 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
:The only answer that statement gives is an inconclusive "maybe". Deleted ideas and concepts cannot be considered canon until stated otherwise. I'd love it if Halo 5, on the next-gen Xbox, was able to include all previous armour types - I would dearly love to sport a Mark V helmet in Spartan Ops. And while I like the look of some of the new armour variants, none of the new ones quite match some of the old classics. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[ | :The only answer that statement gives is an inconclusive "maybe". Deleted ideas and concepts cannot be considered canon until stated otherwise. I'd love it if Halo 5, on the next-gen Xbox, was able to include all previous armour types - I would dearly love to sport a Mark V helmet in Spartan Ops. And while I like the look of some of the new armour variants, none of the new ones quite match some of the old classics. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:43, 1 November 2012 (EDT) | ||
::A few of the new ones have the classic look to them. Air Assault, Enforcer, EVA, Mk VI (of course), Recon, Recruit, and Scout look pretty normal for Mjolnir. Let's just say I'm not a huge fan of the rest. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:22, 3 November 2012 (EDT) | ::A few of the new ones have the classic look to them. Air Assault, Enforcer, EVA, Mk VI (of course), Recon, Recruit, and Scout look pretty normal for Mjolnir. Let's just say I'm not a huge fan of the rest. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:22, 3 November 2012 (EDT) | ||
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::Ohhhh, it's the other way around from what I thought. That makes a lot more sense, thanks :D [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:42, 4 November 2012 (EST) | ::Ohhhh, it's the other way around from what I thought. That makes a lot more sense, thanks :D [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:42, 4 November 2012 (EST) | ||
== Header image == | |||
There's no reason that the Warrior variant should be the image header of the article. In fact, it should be the standard issue, default Recruit variant instead. This makes a little more sense to have it portray the GEN2. However, we don't have any high-quality, purely default Recruit config images out there so for now I guess the Warrior is okay. But when we finally do conjure up such an image, it should definitely be image #1 on here. If there's no contest, I can make the edit right now with a stand-in Recruit image.--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 22:47, 4 November 2012 (EST); | |||
:According to their descriptions, Warrior is factory standard while Recruit is standard issue. [[User talk:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:11, 13 November 2012 (EST) | |||
::Okay cool that works--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 04:13, 21 November 2012 (EST) | |||
== Requirements == | |||
I think it'd be a good idea to add the requirements for unlocking each armor set and visor to this page. Since some armors and visors seem to have different conditions for acquiring the normal and special versions of each set, and these conditions aren't even defined until semi-unknown conditions are met, it would be helpful to players to be able to look up what they need to do to unlock, for instance, the standard Enforcer helemet. --[[User:Delta1138|Delta1138]] [[User_talk:Delta1138|SnooPING AS usual I see]] 13:39, 13 November 2012 (EST) | |||
:There's already a page for that: [[Armor customization (Halo 4)]]. --[[User talk:Dr Mutran|Dr Mutran]] 14:47, 13 November 2012 (EST) | |||
== Leg/arm sets == | |||
Shouldn't these get their own article, too? [[Special:Contributions/98.24.14.97|98.24.14.97]] 13:46, 8 December 2012 (EST) | |||
:Maby we should include pics of both male and female versions for each armor so that we can compare. Maby we can put it each of the armor varient articals.{{unsigned|Ampmaster}} | |||
:I don't see why not. I may start making the articles for them later today. @Ampmaster: maybe a pic of 1 armor set (lets say the recruit armor) for comparison but not every armor. Just seems over excessive and redundant. Like subtank said before me, this isn't a repository for images.--'''''[[User:Killamint|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamint</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamint|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamint|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 08:39, 25 February 2013 (EST) | |||
==Halo Online stuff== | |||
With there being so many variants. Wouldnt it be an idea to split the variants by what variants were being tested on Anvil station and ones that 100% made it out of testing. As we know if they appear in Halo 4/Halo 5(or simply say they are out of testing in a canon fodder and so on) they did make it out of testing and are officially used normally. | |||
Would help organize the seemingly huge list we have. --[[User talk:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 20:15, 25th February, 2016 (GMT) | |||
:That might be good, yeah. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:06, 26 February 2016 (EST) | |||
==Real Armor colors== | |||
I know this is going to take a lot of time, but i'm sure someone will do it: replace every GEN2 Armor image with a new one colored sage that actually looks like a real Spartan (like [http://i.imgur.com/63ISvLG.png this]), not like a silly power ranger (like [[FOEHAMMER-class_Mjolnir|this]]). It would look a lot better if the images showed real soldiers, instead of silly dudes made by the players! {{Unsigned|Firex}} | |||
:The different colors are to give them variety. If each armor was shown with the same color it would make the articles bland and uninteresting. Also please post your comments on the bottom of a talk page, not the top.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 19:07, 4 March 2016 (EST) | |||
:: I think it would make it more "loyal" to the lore. Almost every Spartan's armor is colored sage, even Spartan IV's. Nobody would wear a blue and yellow armor for combat. --[[User:Firex|Firex]] ([[User talk:Firex|talk]]) 03:58, 5 March 2016 (EST) | |||
:::Daisy, Majestic, osiric, Blue team and Noble beg to differ. Spartans seem always to have used a variety of colour schemes for various purposes, whether it be for desert camouflage like Daisy, dazzler purposes like the non-canon "Hellspawn" project, team homogeneity like Majestic, or political purposes like with Vale. If anything, the default for GEN2 MJOLNIR seems to have been the colours worn by Infinity's Spartans in Halo 4's campaign, which is dark grey and gold. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 07:52, 5 March 2016 (EST) | |||
::::Well the "power ranger" colors have a better ability to be useful if we use two different colors(preferably 2 colors that dont match another on the skin already), more so we can see the patterns on a set, that is more useful than being all sage. | |||
::::So there is a use to using different colors in the images that seem power rangery. More so with the Strider, Deadeye, Scanner variants as their bodies are reskins of other variants so the pattern is the only thing to distinguish the bodies. -- [[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 13:38, 5 March 2016 (GMT) | |||
==Replace variant section== | |||
Mjolnir/GEN2 | |||
The above template could replace [[MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor_(GEN2)#Armor_variants_and_upgrades|this entire]] section of this page and make it easier for editors. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 17:48, 21 June 2016 (EDT) | |||
:The below section is for record safety in case you wanna revert the next update seeing as it the biggest change outta this whole page. But I personally believe its now easier. -[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 13:24, 22 June 2016 (EDT) | |||
::Can we revert the change made to the variant section? It's not compatible with mobile view. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 11:54, 15 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::Gotta revert it as it's not compatible with mobile view. I've taken the liberty to improve the list by inserting a [[Template:Scrollbox|scrollbox]] (which is compatible with mobile view). — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:43, 2 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
==Armor variants and upgrades== | |||
Deleted section as it was redundant. And I only made it as a safe record. With now the record being really outdated(plus I wanted rid of the Halo Online armor directs.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 15:44, 15 September 2016 (EDT) | |||
==Techsuit== | |||
Should we make a page on the techsuit or keep it on this page? | |||
I mean we have a Mark VI techsuit, the two base GEN2 techsuit, and the 4 unique Osiris ones(which we still need images of), plus that weird suit Majestic wear while out of armor in the cutscenes. | |||
But the techsuit is GEN2 armor in general. Its what all the variants use...-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 07:24, 23 October 2016 (EDT) | |||
:The SPI armor's bodysuit is also called a "techsuit" in ''Mythos'', so it seems it's a rather inclusive concept. I think there may be enough information on the concept to make it an article. We do have pages for less notable armor parts like the [[MJOLNIR power supply control unit]]. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:10, 23 October 2016 (EDT) | |||