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Just one question: What are hanging gardens, and what is the valley of tears? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 03:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC) | Just one question: What are hanging gardens, and what is the valley of tears? '''[[User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="red">Guesty</font>]]-[[User talk:Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="blue">Persony</font>]]-[[Special:Contributions/Guesty-Persony-Thingy|<font color="green">Thingy</font>]]''' 03:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, I don't recognize those names. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 03:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | :Yeah, I don't recognize those names. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 03:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== about the minor with a sword == | == about the minor with a sword == | ||
BigQuote|Here is an intersting note. I was playing Delta Halo on Easy. A couple Minor Elites dropped down from a Phamtom and I charged foth to destroy them. Much to my suprise, one of the Minors dropped his weapon and drew a sword! | |||
I wasent the one who put about the elite minor using a sword but who ever was please respond to this because I also played delta halo and there was a minor droped with a sword [[User:Kami-Sama|visit my page]] | I wasent the one who put about the elite minor using a sword but who ever was please respond to this because I also played delta halo and there was a minor droped with a sword [[User:Kami-Sama|visit my page]] | ||
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how were do you go to start the page [[User:Kami-Sama]] | how were do you go to start the page [[User:Kami-Sama]] | ||
:Add the link to this page. Since the page doesn't exist yet, it will be red. Click on the red link to create the page. For example: | :Add the link to this page. Since the page doesn't exist yet, it will be red. Click on the red link to create the page. For example: Special Operations Minor Elite]]. -[[User:ED|ED]] 22:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
thanks i get started [[User:Kami-Sama|KAMI]] | thanks i get started [[User:Kami-Sama|KAMI]] | ||
Seeing that no one ever made the page... I'm wondering if someone else wants to start on it. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http:// | Seeing that no one ever made the page... I'm wondering if someone else wants to start on it. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> • <sup><small>[[Special:Mypage|<font color="#A9A9A9"><span class="insertusername">THE SOURCE OF SPAM</span></font>]] </small></sup> 04:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
i did make it some one deleted it [[User:Kami-Sama]] | i did make it some one deleted it [[User:Kami-Sama]] | ||
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:But what about the [[Sangheili Zealot]] rank? There are different kinds of the Zealot rank such as [[Shipmaster]], [[Field Master]], [[Sangheili General|General]], etc... So I think that the same should be done to that page if this one is moved. And there are Zealots in ''[[Halo 2]]'' and ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'' that are just simply called "Zealot" not "Field Master" or anything else. --{{User:Cally99117/Sig}} | :But what about the [[Sangheili Zealot]] rank? There are different kinds of the Zealot rank such as [[Shipmaster]], [[Field Master]], [[Sangheili General|General]], etc... So I think that the same should be done to that page if this one is moved. And there are Zealots in ''[[Halo 2]]'' and ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'' that are just simply called "Zealot" not "Field Master" or anything else. --{{User:Cally99117/Sig}} | ||
::::::So is there ever going to be a decision because this name template has been here '''''forever'''''-- | ::::::So is there ever going to be a decision because this name template has been here '''''forever'''''--File:Legendary.jpg|20px]][[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Orange">Ender the Xenocide]]</font>File:Legendary.jpg|20px]] 17:16, 18 November 2010 (EST) | ||
== The Concept Art == | == The Concept Art == | ||
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Shouldn't we use the last Canon appeareance of the Special Operations Sangheili(Halo 3) and not one from Reach, the armor had undergone serious design changes later on in the 9th age of Reclamation and no longer appeared like the Reach version, actually this could be extended to all of the Reach Elite articles. thoughts?--[[User talk:The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee]] 12:16, 11 April 2011 (EDT) | Shouldn't we use the last Canon appeareance of the Special Operations Sangheili(Halo 3) and not one from Reach, the armor had undergone serious design changes later on in the 9th age of Reclamation and no longer appeared like the Reach version, actually this could be extended to all of the Reach Elite articles. thoughts?--[[User talk:The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee]] 12:16, 11 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
:Canonically, Reach ''is'' the last canon appearance, because it's the most recent release. It is a prequel, yes, but much of its depictions are probably retcons - two entire militaries change their arsenal in a little under two months? I think not. Which leaves us with the Reach versions of the armour, until we are told or shown otherwise. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Canonically, Reach ''is'' the last canon appearance, because it's the most recent release. It is a prequel, yes, but much of its depictions are probably retcons - two entire militaries change their arsenal in a little under two months? I think not. Which leaves us with the Reach versions of the armour, until we are told or shown otherwise. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:22, 11 April 2011 (EDT) | ||
The issue with that is that you are ''Assuming'' it is a retcon. Unless explicitly shown we cannot assume that it is a retcon, rather it could be a special unit or army (which I believe is supported by the Plasma repeater and other new Covenant weapons in their description) brought in for the battle of Reach, and like the Skirmisher Kig-Yar suffered extensive caulsities and did not fight during the rest of the war. --[[User talk:The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee]] 11:04, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
: I agree with Fulsamee here. Because, if you look on Bungie.net, you will see that everybody is crying witch at everything in Halo: Reach. So, because of that; we should only call something a retcon as a last resort. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 13:49, 12 April 2011 (EDT)!!!! | |||
::So, because a majority didn't enjoy the game means we should revert it? I disagree with such assessment. | |||
::Expanding the point made by Specops306, it should be reminded that Halo: Reach is the most recent Halo game with the updated graphics. The essential question one should ask is, "if Halo 3 has Halo: Reach's game engine, would Bungie design them in similar way?" No doubt in my mind they would but unfortunately, they are unable to do so. As such, it is correct to interpret the design changes as retcons. — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 14:04, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
I have to diagree with the witch-calling, however the issue is that you are assuming a point that has not been stated by Bungie, meaning that you are ''Speculating'' and offer a theory without any proof, wherever the only citable evidence on military supplies, that some of the new weapons are not seen late on due to use by a special unit presumbably destroyed during the current battle, supports why the armor is not seen later on in the war. This would mean that canonically the Halo 3 version is the version we should use here. --[[Special:Contributions/97.106.137.90|97.106.137.90]] 16:30, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Even if it's a different version of the armor used by another unit than the ones we see in the earlier games, that doesn't make it any less valid. Also, you're speculating yourself; there's nothing to suggest that this unit was destroyed during the events of Reach. The Covenant military is immense; even if these were separate armor variants (as opposed to different visual depictions due to changes in game design), it's entirely feasible that the unit that used the armor designs we see in ''Reach'' existed during the events of the other games. We simply didn't see any of them. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 17:01, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
::On that point, I think the all images of the Jiralhanae should be reverted to that of Halo 3; during the events of Halo 3, the Jiralhanae are the top soldiers (hence the elaborated and complete armour) for the Covenant military whereas during the events of Reach, they are simply a shock-troop group (i.e. little to no armour). — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 17:11, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
Regarding Subtank's last point, I did suggest that a while back, but mainly out of the reason that their Halo 3 appearance is the furthest in the timeline, versus Reach, which was earlier. It wasn't taken, though, and that exact point is probably non-valid as of the above now, but it could hold in some regard to Sub's proposal. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:46, 12 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Just to clarify, the proposal only applies to Jiralhanae since they are the only species that shifted in the Covenant military whereas others remains the same as they are even during the Great Schism (i.e. Grunts didn't rose from Cannon-Fodder to that of position of a Hierarch). | |||
Me assuming that the unit was destroyed during the battle of Reach is supported by the fact that the Skirmisher sub-species was destroyed during the battle, it seems the UNSC inflicted grave calsulties on the Covenant during this battle, I also support the Jiralhanea pages being changed in regards to Subtank. (BTW I was the IP address)--[[User talk:The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee]] 11:03, 13 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It is theorised by myself that the Skirmisher sub-species was dwindling ever since they joined the Covenant, which would explain why they became extinct after the events of Reach. To say that an entire sub-species to extinct in one battle... I just can't find that plausible. Of course, this has nothing to do with the actual article itself and merely to show my opinion of the subject. — <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:12, 14 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
It really seems that in order to prove you are assuming I have to assume which is just ''shabla'' confusing. --[[User talk:The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee|The Reborn Qual 'Fulsamee]] 11:11, 13 April 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Featured Article? == | |||
I propose we remove this as I featured article. It may be good. But Featured articles are supposed to be articles that say, "Hey, this is what happens when all the great minds on this Wiki come together to make something great!" We wouldn't want to give a newcomer a bad first impression that this is the best we got. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 12:24, 14 April 2011 (EDT)!! | |||
== Change the focus of the article == | |||
This article should present the Specops Elite not as a rank but as a unit. Nowhere has it been stated that a Specops Elite is a rank. Even the Visual Guide presents it as a unit and not a rank In the novels, they always refer it as a special forces unit. The only known ranks within the Specops Elite unit is Officer (per The Flood) and Commander (per HGN). This article should be treated like the Elite Rangers which is an article about a unit, not a rank. — [[User:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:18px;">HA</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hacame|<span class="plainlinks" style="color:#483C32; font-family:lucida console; font-size:12px;">came</span>]]</sup> 21:53, 23 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Coloration 2 and pictures == | |||
First time on the Wiki, and I have a question. Are not Spec Ops Sangheili blue in CE (original)? Also where are pictures of it in CEA (cutout preferably)? [[User talk:Wortio117|Wortio117]] 22:27, 28 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
Well I changed the text and inserted the picture from the Plasma Rifle page already but do you guys agree with it? [[User talk:Wortio117|Wortio117]] 22:53, 28 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Where are the Crimson Sangheili from Halo 3 said to be SpecOps? == | |||
Personally, I've always thought it would fit better with canon if that was some sort of other Fleet Security rank, as they were seemingly deployed to contain the infestation on the ground as their primary directive, with assisting The Chief as a secondary thing. I mean, if they were SpecOps and were sent there for the sole purpose of helping Chief, why would they so willingly stay behind to kill the Flood instead of just go with the Chief?Plus, Special Operations doesn't really seem like the kind of unit to send to go contain an outbreak of Flood, that seems more like the job of Fleet Security, who literally have Security in the name. So does anyone have a source that says these guys are SpecOps? I'd really like to know. [[User talk:Sgt Rorschach|Sgt Rorschach]] 04:34, 8 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I always assume that it was derived from the fact that because Rtas 'Vadum was SpecOps Commander and led his SpecOps units to Earth to assist the Arbiter (per EVG). However, you are correct in pointing out one thing: the armour worn is actually those of the Fleet Security and not of the SpecOps, per [[Usze 'Taham]] article (and his profile on Bungie.net). We should definitely correct this and move the information to [[Fleet Security]]. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 09:32, 8 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== The Elite seen in the Day at the Beach cinematic was clearly a Minor and not part of Special Operations == | |||
The Sangheili in Another Day at the Beach is wearing purple armor. Sangheili Minors wear blue armor. As such, the Sangheili in the cinematic uses active camo, something only Special Operations Sangheili use. [[User:Jebcubed|<span style="color: blue">'''Jeb'''<sup>'''3'''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Jebcubed|<span style="color: orange"><sub>'''Talk at me here'''</sub></span>]] 16:24, October 29, 2019 (EDT) | |||