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| == Cylindrical-backed grunt: Pre-Halo? ==
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| I was skimming my old copy of 'the art of Halo' when i found a cylindrical-backed grunt in the grunt concept art. Seeing as TaoH came out ~2 years before the Graphic novel, wouldn't this technically be their first appearance?
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| [[User talk:PoopskinTheLiar|-[[Talk:Poopskintheliar|Poopskintheliar]], Local retrocomputing geek.]] 22:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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| ==Kamikaze Grunts== | |
| Too many pages link to this as "Kamikaze Grunt". I believe we should make a section referring the link to the soecific section, or mae an entire new page. - Bunnokazooie 3/21/10
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| They must be '''Suicide Grunts''' because in Halo Wars they show suicide grunts with ''Cylindrical-backs''. <big>[[User:cally99117|<span style="color:red">'''7h3 Ma573r Chi3f'''</span>]] [[User talk:cally99117|<span style="color:brown">'''(5par7an 117)'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/cally99117|<span style="color:blue">'''(J0hn)'''</span>]] [[Special:Editcount/Cally99117|<span style="color:green">'''(Ma573r Chi3f P377y 0ffic3r)'''</span>]]</big> 12:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
| | Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. <span style="font-family: Halo3 ; Font-size: 135%; color:#800002;">FATGUNN</span> 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ==Wanted to Share This== | | == Erroneous Height == |
| Came across something hilarious the other day when I was playing Halo 3 campaign. So, I was playing Sierra 117, and I see a grunt ahead of me. He lights a plasma grenade, and throws it at me. While he is doing this, he shouts "SUCK IT HERETIC!!!" I am the only person who finds this funny? Because it was awesome. [[User:Covenant Ghost|Covenant Ghost]] 02:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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| | The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. [http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline10/blamestosh/happy_halo3_78416926_Full.jpg Errmmm... No.] Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.[[User talk:Thebigyeash|Thebigyeash]] 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC) |
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| | :The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see [http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/sloftus_characterscale/index.html?char1=GruntArmor1-H1&char2=ODST-H2 this].- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC) |
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| | == Unusual event == |
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| ive heard grunts say that heaps of times.
| | I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--[[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT) |
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| thugh just now i heard one say (im tryna see it suffocate) "IMA POP OPEN A CAN OF WHOOP-ASS" and a few minutes after it said "SUCK CRAP LIKE A RAT"
| | :I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT) |
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| ==Hilarious Line== | | == Variants == |
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| On Sierra 117, after being killed by an Unggoy, I heard one of them start to sing "We are the champions!". I laughed so hard I almost hurt myself. By the way, I had the IWHBYD skull on. Just thought I'd share. [[User:Darthmasterchief|<font color="green">The Sith version of Master Chief</font>]] [[Image:|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:Darthmasterchief|<font color="blue">My happy place</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Darthmasterchief|<font color="orange">What I've edited</font>]]</sub> 03:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
| | Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--[[User talk:Black kille|Black kille]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST) |
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| :You got killed by an Unggoy? Unless you were playing on Heroic or Legendary, that's extremely sad. {{Arby116Sig}} | | :Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST) |
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| :I believe that they also do that in Halo: Combat Evolved. It's funny. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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| =="they breathe methane rather than oxygen."== | | == RvB: Animated == |
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| This must be an in-joke that they are a race of servile brown-nosers. Methane being a major component of flatulence. Saying grunts are "fart-whiffers" or the like. [[User:67.5.157.0|67.5.157.0]] 04:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
| | Why does the gallery still feature the image from ''Red versus Blue: Animated''? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is ''not'' an official party. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST) |
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| no...not at all. [[User:Kap2310|Kap2310]] 03:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
| | == Curlback grunts == |
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| Uh... no, it's canon. They breathe methane gas, but the atmospheric kind. [[User:Evil Kiwi|Evil Kiwi]] 11:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
| | Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer? [[User talk:mrsupersauce|mrsupersauce]] 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST) |
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| I've considered it, but I think it's more a scifi concept of aliens breathing a different gas. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 18:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
| | ==Unggoy Philosophies?== |
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| But it could also be a joke at the same time. It could serve both purposes, you know. But I suppose you only have to think of it that way if you want. Anyway, that's what the first guy was saying. It could be a joke as well as a fact in the Halo universe.<br />--[[User:Jaeryd|Jaeryd]] 17:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
| | According to the ''Halo Encyclopedia'', one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330 |
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| Don't forget it gives Bungie an excuse to give them that back thing, odd armor anf the mask, also leaving them with time to figure out what the face should look like [[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 20:40, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
| | They say both of them. The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT) |
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| == Special Operations Commander?? == | | ==second, third or even fourth?== |
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| Is this rank even exist? And did it even appears in Halo 2? We need proof, a picture or something........
| | I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--[[User talk:Bdgroot-117|Bdgroot-117]] 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST) |
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| == Re: Spec Ops Grunts ==
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| Well, there is such a thing as a special ops. grunt rank, there's an article on that. But, seeing as how grunts are a subordinate race in the Covenant, they are usually commanded by elites and brutes, although some grunts like Yayap did command grunt forces. Not entirely sure on that one. If there is such a thing, then they certainly could not command anything other than their own race and jackals.
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| [[User:Covenant Ghost|Covenant Ghost]] 21:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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| Well ultra grunts might be the special operations commander like the ultra elites are. The ultra grunt might be light the major grunt for special operations.
| | I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a [http://www.halopedia.org/Covenant_Storm Covenant Storm] grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. [[User talk:SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE|SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE]] 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT) |
| [[User:DilaBagomee|DilaBagomee]] 14:50, 08 July 2008 | | :Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT) |
| | ::Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT) |
| | It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar [[User talk:SPARTAN-347|SPARTAN-347]] 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT) |
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| | I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT) |
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| | The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.[[User talk:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT) |
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| ==Swearing Grunts==
| | I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --[[User talk:Cyrannian|Cyrannian]] 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT) |
| Maybe I'm interpreting what they say the wrong way, but have you guys ever played a Halo CE level and had a grunt shout "F*ck You!" while you are fighting them?
| | :It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate. --[[User talk:Eipok Kruden|Eipok Kruden]] 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT) |
| :No, the grunts in Halo 1 say "Hate you!" I know the line you're referring to. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]][[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 08:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
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| ::I think in Halo 3, they will sometimes say something like, "You big bastard!" [[User:Sith Alchemy 101|Sith Alchemy 101]] 12:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC) | |
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| Well, for a game rated Mature, it makes sense for the game to have swearing. But I don't think Bungie wanted to use words that are more harsh like S**t, or F**K. P.S., Halo 3: ODST might had been a Teen game if there where no bad language in it--[[User talk:Ultra Force|Ultra Force]] 03:58, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
| | Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding. |
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| == Sources gone ==
| | PS: How do I sign my posts?{{Unsigned|The Master Builder}} |
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| Err, the sources section is gone. [[User:Sor|Sor]] 08:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
| | :The [[Bestiarum]]: ''"It is still recovering from '''preactivation''' environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies."'' The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened. |
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| ==Grunt population== | | :You can sign your posts with the third button from the top left of the editing field (the blue pencil right after the "'''B'''" and ''I''). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:28, 23 May 2014 (EDT) |
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| In the bonus dvd of Halo 3 legendary edition it is said that grunt population is estimated to be about
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| 4 hundred million(or something like that).That is a relatively small number,compared with
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| the Brutes population for instance ,which is estimated to be more than 12 billion.I don't think that this makes any sense given the fact that the Grunts are the base of the Covenant military force (in the game we encounter at least 3 grunts for every single Elite or Brute we have to eliminate).So one could suppose that their numbers should be greater. [[User:Ni9lson|Ni9lson]] 14:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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| | After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet [[User:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|SLiD1nG Pr0Xy]] ([[User talk:SLiD1nG Pr0Xy|talk]]) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT) |
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| * You gotta remember, most Grunts likely live as slaves, with very, very few of them seeing much time on their homeworld. My guess is that most living Grunts are in service(military, labor), while less amounts of other species are in military/labor roles.
| | Guys, dontcha think we should change the main picture of the Minor Grunt to a Minor Grunt from HCEA? Like, I think it's more detailed that way. |
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| [[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 08:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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| | | Is there any particular reason why the Infinite Grunt hasn’t replaced the Halo 2 Anniversary Grunt in the main image section? It seems to me like it’s supposed to be the same type of Grunt. There is already a render being used on the Unggoy Conscript page that can be used. [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 04:19, March 13, 2022 (EDT) |
| *You also need to take into acout that truth said high charity was teeming with grunts mabye ost of the population is there?
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| [[User:5th ace in the deck|5th ace in the deck]] 08:22, 22 november 2008 (UTC)
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| *As far as I know, that figure is for Balaho, which isn't a very hospitable world. I'd imagine that the majority of the Unggoy population actually lives on other worlds, or space habitats. And remember also, that the Covenant maintain strict quotias on Unggoy breeding rates to prevent another [[unggoy Rebellion]] from occuring. --'''[[CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[userWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 02:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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| Right now, it says Grunts are a relatively weak species, but I have to disagree. Strength wise, it would seem they are stronger than even Humans. Look at how they carry Fuel Rod Cannons and the occasional Plasma Cannon(best seen on the Covenant, they don't use it like the Chieftains do, just run around scared) in Halo 3-with one arm. In Halo 2, I think they carry it with two. Marines carry it with two, Elites carry it with one. The novel described a situation where a Marine couldn't lift the FRC, although it doesn't make much sense when your average Marine in Halo 2/3 can. Brutes carry it with two, but likely for better aim. It shouldn't be that surprising, as even smaller apes in real life like the chimpanzees have much more arm strength than that of a human. Look it up. I think, however, Grunts may be too scared to use their strength or may not know their advantage over humans in this area, and are probably not as resilient as your average human(the games support this theory), or it could be that the methane suits hinder them quite a bit speed/strength/dexterity wise, like miniature Darth Vaders or something. It could also be due to a lack of training, Grunts are more numerous than the other species and they're likely at the bottom of the training list because it might be a waste of resources to train them over Elites.
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| I'm starting to ramble, just getting my two cents in.
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| [[User:Gruntyking117|Gruntyking117]] 08:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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| I agree with you, another source comes from Halo: The Flood when a few grunts attack the Chief and almost drop a plasma 'nade in his suit. It was a close call for the Chief and shows that they are tough little critters and shouldn't be underestimated just because of their size.-- [[User:Joshua 029|Joshua 029]] 14:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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| You know, i've never thought of that. Now, i have a new found respect for the grunts. Imagine what thy could have done on their home planet![[PsychoThunder]]
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| Grunts lack strength and bravery mentally, at least, that's how i see it. That's why they need a leader in battle and why they cower when alone in battle. Heretic grunts don't cower, most likely because they realise their mental superiority over the Covenant grunts, and they also realise they are facing opposition far greater in size than they are, so their courage and bravery is much greater. '''[[User:HaloDude|<font color="black">Ha</font>]]'''[[User talk:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''lo'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/HaloDude|<font color="Black">'''Du'''</font>]][[w:c:halofanon:User:HaloDude|<font color="Red">'''de'''</font>]] 23:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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| I think, that if a Grunt were encuraged, properly trained, and getting REALLY angry, they would probably take a Spartan down unarmed, XD.
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| --[[User talk:H91|H91]] 15:00, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
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| :Wouldn't surprise me, on the level ''The Storm'', a grunt knocked one of those stacked crates (on pallets, not single crates) flying like a brute could... I got splattered :( [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 20:46, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Exploding Grunts==
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| Okay, under "Combating Grunts" is stays "In Halo 3, an attack will sometimes blow off the flimsy cover of a Grunt's methane tank, and may rupture the tank inside. The respirator can also be knocked off. This is fatal after a certain amount of time, but they will continue to fight. A leakage of methane gas can turn a situation perilous in the presence of a flame." On what level would you find both grunts, and something you could use to start a fire? In my experience, youre only given flamethrowers and firebomb gernades on levels with the flood. [[User:Zombee|Zombee]] 04:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
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| You could try [[data hive]][[User:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] [[UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] 20:10, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
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| :Well in [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx]], grunt gas tanks blow up like a grenade when ruptured. But that wouldn't be balanced, so in the game you just knock them off. However, I personally have never seen a Grunt die of suffocation. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
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| Yeah same here I shot one's tank off in [[The Storm (Level)|The Storm]] and the grunt kept on walking til I killed him like 10 second later, didn't even flinch. Bungie probably just didn't design have a graphic for them suffocating. [[User:Spartansniper450|Spartansniper450]]
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| Actually my friend has sniped of their respirators and they started to choke,and then fell over dead.I don`t think that it is the tank so much as the mask because they probably have backup reserves of methane but if their mask is gone then they are forced to breathe air.
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| what I find most perplexing is the fact that in halo ce, some grunts have pointed heads and some have more rounded heads. in halo two and three, they took out the pointy headed grunts. whats with that?
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| Yeah, and also, in Halo CE, there were grunts how had gas tanks that had rounded tips, but not in any other games. [[PsychoThunder]]
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| I hated the Round-Tops, as I call them, I always killed them and not the others. [[User:VanFlyhight|VanFlyhight]] 19:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
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| Yeah, they say that the curl-backs might have had something to do with gender, but they had it figured out by Halo 2.[[User:Spartansniper450|Spartansniper450]]
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| I think the different shapes of the tanks and kinds of masks may possibly be due to either rank or a choice that grunt made on what to bring into a combat situation. Also the curlbacks may be for rolling out of the halo ce dropships.
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| Does anyone find it wierd that in the Bestiarium, it says that Grunts have a matriarchal society? It never once mentions this in any of the books. Could this perhaps be a typo? (After all, all it takes would be the change of one letter to change it to patriarchal) [[Image:Haloforgheisonvv4.gif|35px]] [[User:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>Stryker</b></span>]][[User talk:Stryker117|<span style="color:DarkBlue"><b>117</b></span>]][[Image:UNSCoH Dingo without letters.PNG|30px]] 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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| I find it all too believable. I mean, the males we see in the games don't seem too bright. Obviously, their females compensate... '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306</font>]]''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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| I thought it was more of a reference to their child-like voices. Can you imagine a Grunt "I Want my Mommmy." Anyways I know you wern't serious Subtank but [[humans|we]] have a patriarchal society and Females and Males are equal when it comes to intelligence. Also I think Grunts are more Uneducated than stupid. [[User:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] [[UserWiki:Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Galacticdominator|<font color="black">'''~ '''</font>]] 20:05, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
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| I have read a few articles about Grunts from Halo: Contact Harvest and have noticed that they seem to be unusually vicious in that book. I mean, one grunt tore a man's stomach apart for no apparent reason and another tried to bite into a man's neck. I wonder why these grunts are so aggressive, while the grunts in the games are quite cowardly. They seem to be a bit unpredictable, these grunts.
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| I'm just saying. :-) [[User:Sor|Sor]] 11:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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| Maybe they were terrified into agression by the brutes like an injured animal, or maybe brutes put something in the tanks. (Grunts on roids!!!!LOL)[[User:Spec-op sniper058|Spec-op sniper058]] 00:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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| Maybe when they saw how powerful Human technology was, after awhile they started flee when they notice that the Humans there fighting are better then they thought...
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| -"Guest" 9/15/08
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| -It is not just the grunts,all covenant species is much better in the books rfor exampl in the flood a hunter deflects a rocket lancher round with its sheild without taking damage,a flood combat form only needs one melee to take down MCs sheild this is probaly to not make the game to hard
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| SPARTAN 456
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| I say that they were just over excited because it was the first time they were face to face with humans or the brutes could
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| have told them to kill humans because [[Truth]] told all covenant species that humans were [[Heretics]]. Yayap the grunt 227
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| Omg grunts on roids! "grunt walks in and he seems abnormally big" "ME WANT KILL CHIEF!". lol, I couldn't help it with the other comment.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 05:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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| == Picture... ==
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| I took a neat picture of the general military role Grunts fill: Cannon Fodder. It is actually a picture of Grunts walking in a straight line in front of a Brute. I wished to put it on the page, but I don't want to replace any of the existing pictures. I also don't think there is really enough room...Where do I put my picture? Do I put it on at all? Please help!
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| -Mando345
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| == Grunt pics ==
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| I was thinking that to make the article better someone should get pics of all the grunt ranks from every game and put them on said article. Can not be me for I do not own an x-box and the computer version I play is on safe mode.
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| [[User:DilaBagomee|DilaBagomee]]
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| == sources ==
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| some of the sources are kinda scrambles, with the template being messed up.
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| -[[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] 15:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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| == Jakal Stew?!?! ==
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| So, Grunts seem to regard Jakals as a tasty treat? That is so bizarre! It's just... wow. So they like put Jakals in soup and eat them? That's....omg [[User:Kougermasters|kougermasters]] 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
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| yeah one time i heard a grunt say "if hungry, eat jackal"
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| [[User:Maiar|Maiar]] 08:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)==How much?==
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| Are the grunts weigh 101 pounds (118 kg) ? Hard to believe that. Where did you found that information?[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|spartan]]-53 12:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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| Do you believe that the Chief weigh a ton? [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="Silver">Master</font><font color="DarkGray">Chief</font>'''<font color="Gray">Petty</font><font color="DimGray">Officer</font>''']]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution</font>]]</sub> 12:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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| I know that. UNSC was probably changed the kilo value. I cannot explain it in other way. I mean, do you know what a ''''TON'''' is? Just try to lift 50 kilos. It is impossible for a grunt to weigh 118 kilos...[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|spartan]]-53 11:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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| 101 pounds would be 45 and half kilograms and the cheif only wieghs half a ton. A (presumably) very muscular 6'8" man would come to about 90 to 110 kilograms leaving the armour to be in the area of 400 kilos
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| Master cheif weigh 136 kilograms withouth his armor acording to books.And why would not a grunt weight 118 kilos?They are around 150 centimeters long and is very muscular by nature as acording to first strike a marine wasent able to lift a fuel rod gun and grunts are seen running with it in one arm like it would weight no more than a phone and it is maybe meaning when they have their armor on they weight 118 kiograms
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| And I thought the Jackals were evil. (See the beginning cutscene of the level The Arbiter to see what I'm talking about if you don't already.) [[User:Mutantclannfear|<span style="color:red; font-family: Impact; font size: 12pt;">Mutantclannfear</span>]] 00:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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| == Brown Grunts ==
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| The trivia section makes reference to a brown variant of Grunt. I myself have never seen one, but can anyone else confirm their existence?
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| == Grunt ==
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| I was playing on Crows nest and i killed everone in the hanger but i still heard a grunt i finally found it but it had no weapon.It pointed its empty hand at me and made a shooting motion though
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| It was probadly a glitch or a somehow undiscovered easter egg--[[User talk:Heroicpotatoe|Heroicpotatoe]] 21:42, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
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| == Grunt Strength ==
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| I was playing on the storm and I hit a grunt in a ghost and it fell out.Then I killed the other grunts and I went to get its ghost but i saw the grunt running around with a detached plasma cannon in one hand.This proves that grunts a stronger than brutes,elites,and spartans because spartans and elites walk slower with a plasma cannon.Brute hold them with two hands.The grunt was running around arms waving with a plasma cannon
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| == Seperatist Grunt Glitch ==
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| Loyalist grunts are MUCH more common in Halo 3, infact the only time I saw a Seperatist Grunt in Halo 3 was at a distance on a bridge during the level The Ark. By the time I got there I was just in time to se him turn a corner. When I followed him he was facing a wal, not moving a bit. My target didn't change colour but whjen I saw him he was throwing plasma grenades at Brues. I tried pushing him back into the level but he wouldn't budge. He stayed COMPLETELY still. Can I put this glitch on the page?
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| Same thing happened on the Ark with me. A Grunt even ran over enemies for me with a Ghost and stayed completely still when they all died. My marines didn't shoot him either.--'''<span style="background:Black;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[User:Shade Link|<font color="Blue">Shade</font>]]</span>''' 23:07, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
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| == Helmets ==
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| Grunts have straight and curlback helmets. Is there some kind of meaning to this? I always thought it indicated their gender. {{Arby116Sig}}
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| I myself in particular find such a thing as the above text unlikely. My theory is that it's due to rank and/or optional equiptment that particular indevidual chose to bring into combat.
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| ==mask & tank==
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| has anyone noticed that the masks arent attached to the methane tanks at all so how would the methane they need to breath make it from their backs to their mouths... [[User:Hollywood101x|Hollywood]]
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| Ok, I heard that breath methane and isnt methane explosive? or flammable so i played the level The Covenant and got some incindieary grenades from a brute and kept it all through the level until the ending were you join forces with the flood, so i bashed the grunts back pyramid thing and it was still alive so i threw the flamy grenade at it and guess WHAT!!!!.....................It didnt work!!
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| I've stressed this many times before, Bungie is not MilSim, they're not perfect, and they whould rather get the game out rather than meticulously going over tiny, unimportant details like that. [[User talk:L33tmcphee|L33tmcphee]] 20:49, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
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| == There should be ==
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| There should be a different Grunt pic. The Grunt in that one is UGLY! And an answer to Hollywood101, yea I have, odd isnt it? | |
| --[[Special:Contributions/99.166.108.207|99.166.108.207]] 18:10, 30 March 2009 (UTC)CANIS RUFUS March 31 2009
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| All Halo 3 Minor Grunts look like that!!!![[User talk:4DJONG|4DJONG]] 14:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC) though they have wrinkly skin OH WELL
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| == Split off the Sucide Grunts ==
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| I propose that the Suicide Grunts section be split off into an article of its own. In Halo Wars they are completely different from normal Grunts. Firstly they are a special forces unit, secondly they are perverted version of normal Grunts and finally they carry methane reserve tanks already. Do you oppose or support splitting Suicide Grunts off into a new article? [[User talk:Incendiary|Incendiary]] 09:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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| I oppose. This section is not talking about different grunt ranks. It is a page about the grunt RACE a.k.a Unggoy. Suicide grunts are still Unggoy, aren't they. That's like splitting off honour guards from the Sangheilli section. [[User:K9colin|K9colin]]
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| Oppose, as per K9colin.
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| 21:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} As K9colin said, the suicide grunt isn't a rank, such as Minors, for example. There is no reason to split them from the article.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 17:33, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} As per the others. {{User:Spirit of Fire/Sig}} 17:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Neutral}} It could be shortened and added as a rank. [[User talk:Dragonblaze-052|Dragonblaze-052]] 22:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} - It... just no. —[[User:Kougermasters|<font color="blue">'''K'''</font><font color="black">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''u'''</font><font color="black">'''g'''</font><font color="blue">'''e'''</font><font color="black">'''r'''</font><font color="blue">'''m'''</font><font color="black">'''a'''</font><font color="blue">'''s'''</font><font color="black">'''t'''</font><font color="blue">'''e'''</font><font color="black">'''r'''</font><font color="blue">'''s'''</font>]] 01:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}}-no, the suicide grunts are nothing more than grunts 'filled with the spirit for the great journey' not a separate rank or race. --[[User talk:Raian603|Raian603]] 22:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}}-Make the sucide grunts a rank, but not taken from this page, Frunt Ultras don't have a species page.--GEARS OF HALO CREED 09 16:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} Pointless. [[User Talk:ODST Joshie|<span style="color:DarkRed">SPARTAN</span>]][[w:c:halofanon:Halo:Team Wolf|<span style="color:DarkRed">-G024</span>]]<sup>[[w:c:halofanonSPARTAN-G024(ODST Joshie)|<span style="color:DarkRed">(The Unsung Hero)</span>]]</sup> 08:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} As per K9colin and Smoke. [[Halopedia:Covenant of Halopedia|<font color="purple">'''Councillor'''</font>]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Algerian">Nicmavr</span>]] - [[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Goldenrod">'''Ascy'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Nicmavr|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:Red">''''Vamal'''</span>]] <span style="color:Blue"><sup><u>'''''Light your way with honour!'''''</u></sup></span> 15:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} - I will have to oppose as well. I find myself agreeing with K9colin, Smoke, Odysseas, Spirit of Fire, Kougermasters, Raian603, Gears of Halo Creed, ODSTJoshie and Nicmavr. LOOOOOOOOOOL - {{JEA13/Sig}}
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| {{Support}}It has enough info to be its own article.A good percent of articles here on halopedia are shorter than what we could make on it.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[Image:Red Team.jpg|100px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Holonet</span>]]) 20:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} The suicide Grunts are still Unggoy, not a different species. [[User talk:Flag-Waving American Patriot|Flag-Waving American Patriot]] 00:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} Just because they make strange comments, blow themselves up and run around screaming doesn't make them too different. Funny, but not different. [[User:Gunnery Sergeant Gonzalez|<span style="color:green"><b>GySgt. Gonzalez</b></span>]] [[Image:SMG Concept.jpg|35px]] 22:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Neutral}} It should be shortend and added as a rank.[[User talk:Kasa 'Makonee|Kasa 'Makonee]] 21:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
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| {{Oppose}} - As per the others. -- {{Mechanical-Menace Sig}}
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| I support, as too many pages link to Unggoy as Suicide or Kamikaze Grunts, not the race itself, but the class. Bunnokazooie
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| == Flipyap Grunt... ==
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| You killed Flipyap! Or Yapflip, was he. Well, I saw the wording of it, and at first thought nothing of it, then thought "An attempt at yoda?" Then finally it ocurred to me, read it backwards "He was Yapflip or Flipyap Killed you." Or you can remove the "He was". Anyone else agreeing with me? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|"Die? Didn't you know?...Spartans don't die."]] 13:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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| That seems worth mentioning. I'll add it and see how it goes.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 05:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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| == ??? ==
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| On the Last voyage of the infinite succor page, it is mentioned grunts are assigned the task of studying humans and thats why they would use MA5Bs (trivia section of said page I think, just do control f) but on this page I couldn't find anything like that. Is this true (add to this page), or false and I remove it from the other page?[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 05:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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| Also, the grunts change appearance during the games, other covenant races have a changes from and to section. Should we add a section like that to this page?[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 06:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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| Why is the text size 26 and blue?
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| == Curlbacks on ODST? ==
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| I believe I saw a Curlback Grunt on Halo 3: ODST. Could somebody verify this?
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| no i'm sure there is no Curlback in ODST [[User talk:SPARTAN - 300|SPARTAN - 300]] 02:53, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| == What happened to grunts after the destruction of covenant in halo 3? ==
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| did they get rid of being slaves?
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| :Its never mentioned. There doesn't appear to be ''any'' post-Halo 3 canon material available at the moment, so its impossible to say. But I doubt it. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 01:27, November 18, 2009 (UTC) | |
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| I'd assume they returned to their homeworld with the help of the elites. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 19:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
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| I think they would return home and have friendly relations with humans,along with the legoklo and hugarok. But the Jiranhae,Kig-yar and Yanmee would either raid ships for loot or prepare for another war,they could possibly follow the remaining prophets--[[User talk:Heroicpotatoe|Heroicpotatoe]] 21:46, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
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| == Jerk Store grunt ==
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| I was playing the last level of Halo 3 when i saw a grunt.I got out of my worthog and he said"Hey,the jerkstore called and there all out of you!" Then he starts mocking master cheif about how he was stolen at the age of 6 and turned into a sparten super soldier- ironskull08
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| Take a look at the easter egg page, and look for some sort of finall grunt at the list of Halo 3 easter eggs. --[[User talk:H91|H91]] 15:11, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
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| This comes from Seinfeld.- Trexon
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| That is the [[Final Unggoy|Final Grunt]]--[[User talk:Disciple of the Covenant|Disciple of the Covenant]] 01:23, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
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| == Grunt population? ==
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| According to the Bestiarum, there is only 320million grunts, but if they are prolific breeders, why would they have such a low population? [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~]] 13:09, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| :This question has been asked before. The Covenant leadership controls the population. This was put in place because over-breeding caused a drop in Kig-yar births due to competition for space, which led to a minor civil war.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 15:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
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Glowing[edit]
Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. FATGUNN 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Erroneous Height[edit]
The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. Errmmm... No. Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.Thebigyeash 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
- The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see this.- 5əb'7aŋk(7alk) 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
Unusual event[edit]
I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--Blahmarrow 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
- I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. -- Specops306 Autocrat Qur'a 'Morhek 22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
Variants[edit]
Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--Black kille 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)
- Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- Forerunner 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST)
RvB: Animated[edit]
Why does the gallery still feature the image from Red versus Blue: Animated? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is not an official party. --"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST)
Curlback grunts[edit]
Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer? mrsupersauce 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST)
Unggoy Philosophies?[edit]
According to the Halo Encyclopedia, one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. Xamikaze330 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
They say both of them. The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot (talk) 21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT)
second, third or even fourth?[edit]
I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--Bdgroot-117 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST)
Inaccurate Main Image[edit]
I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a Covenant Storm grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
- Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.--Spartacus (Talk | Contribs) 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
- Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--Eipok Kruden 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)
It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar SPARTAN-347 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --ADinoSupremacist 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.ArchedThunder 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT)
I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --Cyrannian 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
- It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate. --Eipok Kruden 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)
Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding.
PS: How do I sign my posts?—This unsigned comment was made by The Master Builder (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
- The Bestiarum: "It is still recovering from preactivation environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies." The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened.
- You can sign your posts with the third button from the top left of the editing field (the blue pencil right after the "B" and I). --Jugus (Talk | Contribs) 05:28, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
Subtypes[edit]
After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet SLiD1nG Pr0Xy (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT)
Graffix[edit]
Guys, dontcha think we should change the main picture of the Minor Grunt to a Minor Grunt from HCEA? Like, I think it's more detailed that way.
Main image.[edit]
Is there any particular reason why the Infinite Grunt hasn’t replaced the Halo 2 Anniversary Grunt in the main image section? It seems to me like it’s supposed to be the same type of Grunt. There is already a render being used on the Unggoy Conscript page that can be used. ArchedThunder (talk) 04:19, March 13, 2022 (EDT)