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The article says that ODSTs are recruited from the special forces branches of all the military services. But the only other special forces units I can find are Spartan. What other branches are there? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 21:35, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | The article says that ODSTs are recruited from the special forces branches of all the military services. But the only other special forces units I can find are Spartan. What other branches are there? [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 21:35, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Presumable the Army, Air Force, Navy and regular Marine Corps maintain their own special forces. Then there are the special forces of the various human countries and colonies, including civilian special forces. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Presumable the Army, Air Force, Navy and regular Marine Corps maintain their own special forces. Then there are the special forces of the various human countries and colonies, including civilian special forces. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:31, August 27, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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The article suggests that the Marine deployment at Argyre Planitia was an orbital drop operation and connected to the inception of the ODSTs, as opposed to the UNSC Marine doctrine as a whole. I checked the timeline entry this supposition is based on, just to be sure. The timeline page on Xbox.com isn't up anymore, but luckily [http://halostory.bungie.org/halostory.timeline.html HBO has a copy]. | The article suggests that the Marine deployment at Argyre Planitia was an orbital drop operation and connected to the inception of the ODSTs, as opposed to the UNSC Marine doctrine as a whole. I checked the timeline entry this supposition is based on, just to be sure. The timeline page on Xbox.com isn't up anymore, but luckily [http://halostory.bungie.org/halostory.timeline.html HBO has a copy]. | ||
{{Article | {{Article quote|A series of lightning strikes against Koslovic forces near the Argyre Planitia marked the first extra-terrestrial deployment of Marines. The campaign was an unqualified success. As a result, future military doctrine favored large contingents of Marines for ground assaults and ship-boarding actions.}} | ||
Note the wording "extra-terrestrial"; ''"any object or being beyond (extra-) the planet Earth (terrestrial)"''. | Note the wording "extra-terrestrial"; ''"any object or being beyond (extra-) the planet Earth (terrestrial)"''. | ||
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The way I understand this, it's referring to the first time marines were deployed outside Earth. There had been fighting on the Jovian Moons, but marines weren't necessarily involved; they could've just been local UN security forces. Alternatively, it may refer to the first time they were deployed outside a planet's atmosphere, but nowhere does it say it was the first time marines were dropped onto a planet in small pods. It could've been just dropship deployments, so the whole event has more to do with UNSC Marines in general than the origins of the ODSTs. | The way I understand this, it's referring to the first time marines were deployed outside Earth. There had been fighting on the Jovian Moons, but marines weren't necessarily involved; they could've just been local UN security forces. Alternatively, it may refer to the first time they were deployed outside a planet's atmosphere, but nowhere does it say it was the first time marines were dropped onto a planet in small pods. It could've been just dropship deployments, so the whole event has more to do with UNSC Marines in general than the origins of the ODSTs. | ||
Not only that, but the article also suggests the existence of a UN Marine Corps separate from the UNSC. The whole organization's existence is questionable at best; See | Not only that, but the article also suggests the existence of a UN Marine Corps separate from the UNSC. The whole organization's existence is questionable at best; See Talk:United Nations Navy. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
==I think that...== | ==I think that...== | ||
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I haven't seen a bit of an ODST during Halo 4 campaign. Can someone confirm that they totally absent from both ''Infinity'' and Ivanoff? If confirmed, I think we have to mention that in the "Trivia" section. <strong>[[User:Lunaramethyst|<span style="font:23px Segoe script; color:darkgreen;">Λ</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:Lunaramethyst|<span style="color:#4C997C">Want to speak ?</span>]]</sup> 08:23, 13 November 2012 (EST) | I haven't seen a bit of an ODST during Halo 4 campaign. Can someone confirm that they totally absent from both ''Infinity'' and Ivanoff? If confirmed, I think we have to mention that in the "Trivia" section. <strong>[[User:Lunaramethyst|<span style="font:23px Segoe script; color:darkgreen;">Λ</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:Lunaramethyst|<span style="color:#4C997C">Want to speak ?</span>]]</sup> 08:23, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
:There aren't any ODST's aboard ''Infinity'' that we know of, or have seen. The Marines aboard the ship have only been infantry, tankers, and Force Recon and those aboard ''Ivanoff'' were ONI Marines (black armor). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | :There aren't any ODST's aboard ''Infinity'' that we know of, or have seen. The Marines aboard the ship have only been infantry, tankers, and Force Recon and those aboard ''Ivanoff'' were ONI Marines (black armor). {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | ||
:I was a little disappointed, ODSTs have been in every Halo game since CE (while only technically in CE, not visually), hopefully they'll make a comeback in Halo 5. | :I was a little disappointed, ODSTs have been in every Halo game since CE (while only technically in CE, not visually), hopefully they'll make a comeback in Halo 5. [[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]] 15:01, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
::Or we could possibly be seeing the end of the ODST's. They were the baddest of the bad except for the Spartans, whose only major drawback was that there were so few of them. Now that the UNSC is producing Spartans in significant numbers, ODST's may no longer be necessary. Perhaps in the post-war UNSC, the best-of-the-best don't become ODST's, they become Spartans. As ODST Gage Yevgenny once said, "I'd seen the future of warfare, and I wasn't it."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 16:56, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ::Or we could possibly be seeing the end of the ODST's. They were the baddest of the bad except for the Spartans, whose only major drawback was that there were so few of them. Now that the UNSC is producing Spartans in significant numbers, ODST's may no longer be necessary. Perhaps in the post-war UNSC, the best-of-the-best don't become ODST's, they become Spartans. As ODST Gage Yevgenny once said, "I'd seen the future of warfare, and I wasn't it."--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 16:56, 13 November 2012 (EST) | ||
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:I agree on both points. I don't think the "Shock Troops (Unit)" naming scheme has ever been used in canon (apparently not in the ''Encyclopedia'' either, glancing through the ODST section). It looks to be another one of those relics that has stuck because no one has questioned it. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:02, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | :I agree on both points. I don't think the "Shock Troops (Unit)" naming scheme has ever been used in canon (apparently not in the ''Encyclopedia'' either, glancing through the ODST section). It looks to be another one of those relics that has stuck because no one has questioned it. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:02, 2 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
::Actually, the 7th Shock Troops Battalion moniker [[:File:7thODSTunitpatch.PNG|is canon]]. EDIT: Unless, of course, it's meant to be read "7th Battalion, Shock Troops" or "Shock Troops, 7th Battalion". The first possibility seems more likely. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 11:55, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::According to the Bungie writeup on the back of the Halo 2 Joyride ODST figure, the Helljumpers are from "NSWG2-ODST Team 5". That would be Team 5 of Naval Special Warfare Group 2. (This is the same writeup that gave us the first usage of SOEIV.) Another version of the ODST cardback from Joyride states "105th ODST Division". The Fall of Reach, p65 refers to "'Helljumpers'—the infamous 105th." On page 6 however, there's a reference to the "105th Drop Jet Platoon". The 105th Helljumpers have been around "centuries" prior to the Spartan-IIs according to issue 3 of Helljumper comic. Linking the 105th with 'Helljumper also occurs in The Cole Protocol, p48. So there's some ambiguity as to whether it's a division or platoon. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 12:52, 13 October 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Personnel category == | |||
Okay, I'm making a category for ODST personnel (as it is easier to have a category rather than keep a long list updated). Before I make it, does "Orbital Drop Shock Trooper personnel" or "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers personnel" sound better/correct. I can never decide which one is correct. Just asking for input so I don't create a large category and then have to make a new one just because of one letter. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 10:12, 31 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
:Wouldn't "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers" suffice? Granted, most of the personnel categories have the "personnel" in there, but then again the Spartan ones (and several others) don't. I'd be fine with "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers". --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:24, 31 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
::Yeah, I was thinking about that, but I figured that "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers" might be used as a category to encompass the organization as a whole in the future. But there is no reason to really expect that to happen right now, so "Orbital Drop Shock Troopers" should be fine for now. - [[User:NightHammer|NightHammer]] ([[User talk:NightHammer|talk]]) 10:45, 31 May 2015 (EDT) | |||
==Branch???== | |||
While looking through many articles, i became a little bit lost. I don't get it, to whome do the ODSTs belong to? Are they part of UNSC Marine Corps or UNSC Navy's Naval Special Warfare Command? It's 2 different branches of UNSC Armed Forces, but info in the articles is suggesting they belong to eigher of them. --[[User:Necrontir|<font color="Black"><b>Necrontir</b></font>]] 11:52, 2 May 2016 | |||
:Naval Special Warfare Command is a division of the UNSC Naval Command, which is largely made of up the Navy with token representation from the Marine Corps. So technically, the Marines have similar authority to the Navy within Naval Special Warfare Command (Johnson was a non-ODST operator within the division, I believe). It is my understanding that NavCom is essentially the UNSC's equivalent of the United States' Department of the Navy, which is made up of the Marines and Navy. In the UNSC, the Marines are mostly organized under UniCom, though like I said, they have some authority within NavCom. Also forgot to mention that the ODSTs are further organized under Naval Special Weapons, which UniCom has more authority over for whatever reason. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 11:57, 2 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
::Yeah, well, thats a little bit enlightening. Thanks. --[[User:Necrontir|<font color="Black"><b>Necrontir</b></font>]] 12:06, 2 May 2016 | |||
:::Heh, military chains of command can be a daunting prospect to unravel sometimes. Suffice to say, ODSTs are members of the Marine Corps, which operates under the authority of the Navy. NavSpecWar is part of the Navy, but has elements from the Navy, ODSTs, and "regular" Marines special warfare units, and is the Navy's contribution to UniCom. UniCom oversees ground deployments across most branches, which includes ODSTs despite being launched from orbit. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 09:53, 3 May 2016 (EDT) | |||
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