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That other page was deleted awfully fast...we should've merged some stuff! =D --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup> | ==Untitled== | ||
That other page was deleted awfully fast...we should've merged some stuff! =D --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>File:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 14:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
BTW! do we know if the battle has been won yet? --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup> | BTW! do we know if the battle has been won yet? --[[user:SPARTAN-077| The State]]<sup>([[user talk:SPARTAN-077|Our Decrees and Law]])</sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-077|The State Alchemists we've enlisted]])</sup>File:ROY!.jpg|25px]] 18:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
:thanks. I wrote the other one, but it was redirected to Battle of Mombasa, which had none of this stuff in it. But this is way better than my newbie writeup. And the battle was definitely won, thanks to the Chief - we just haven't been told how or why yet. Maybe the Elite come riding in on winged horses, raining death from above!!! | :thanks. I wrote the other one, but it was redirected to Battle of Mombasa, which had none of this stuff in it. But this is way better than my newbie writeup. And the battle was definitely won, thanks to the Chief - we just haven't been told how or why yet. Maybe the Elite come riding in on winged horses, raining death from above!!! File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 00:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
*Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this battle can't possibly have happened? If we ignore the Halo 3 promo stuff's dubious level of canonicity, what about the fact that Mombasa was utterly wiped out when Regret's Carrier jumped, and that as soon as the Covenant returned, they began digging where the city once stood. [[User:95 Headhunter|<b><span style="color: gray">The 95 Headhunter]]</span></b> <sup>[[User talk:95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(radio)</span>]] [[special:Contributions/95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(mission log)</span>]]</sup> 20:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC) | *Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this battle can't possibly have happened? If we ignore the Halo 3 promo stuff's dubious level of canonicity, what about the fact that Mombasa was utterly wiped out when Regret's Carrier jumped, and that as soon as the Covenant returned, they began digging where the city once stood. [[User:95 Headhunter|<b><span style="color: gray">The 95 Headhunter]]</span></b> <sup>[[User talk:95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(radio)</span>]] [[special:Contributions/95 Headhunter|<span style="color: green">(mission log)</span>]]</sup> 20:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Can this battle even be considered canon? It was a part of the Believe campaign, whose canonicity is ambiguous at best. Several parts of it contradict facts set up by, for example, Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, as well as the dates given in [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989 This Bungie.net entry]. In fact, most content here related to the time between H2 and H3 is based off the Believe campaign, which blatantly contradicts newer, set up facts. | Can this battle even be considered canon? It was a part of the Believe campaign, whose canonicity is ambiguous at best. Several parts of it contradict facts set up by, for example, Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST, as well as the dates given in [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989 This Bungie.net entry]. In fact, most content here related to the time between H2 and H3 is based off the Believe campaign, which blatantly contradicts newer, set up facts. | ||
So. To avoid confusion, I vote this page, as well as most Believe-related stuff here should be marked with the | So. To avoid confusion, I vote this page, as well as most Believe-related stuff here should be marked with the Non-canon template. Even though never officially confirmed as being non-canon, it has became obvious it doesn't fit in with the established canon. As always, the games override everything else. And Believe was just a marketing campaign by Microsoft. --[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 09:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Halo Encyclopedia == | == Halo Encyclopedia == | ||
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Any counter-arguments feel free to post here first before further action is took --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 18:15, 4 June 2011 (EDT) | Any counter-arguments feel free to post here first before further action is took --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 18:15, 4 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
Did you not read the article? This battle is non-canon and based on the Believe advertising campaign so yes there is a reason to have this battle and it should not be deleted | :Did you not read the article? This battle is non-canon and based on the Believe advertising campaign so yes there is a reason to have this battle and it should not be deleted | ||
Thankyou and have a good day | :Thankyou and have a good day. Ow-ow! [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 18:54, 4 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
::While Halopedia prefers to be considered a detailed home for canon works, it accepts other notable appearences. Red vs. Blue gets a mention on the wiki because it has been frequently talked about by Bungie and the Roosterteeth members have worked in Halo advertisement before (eg. machinima films using unreleased games). The Believe trailers are notable because they were officially endorsed by Microsoft as advertisement.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 04:19, 5 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::Keep in mind, it's also possible that the Second Battle of Mombasa ''was'' a real battle, the historical records of which were doctored by ONI after the war to make it appear that John-117 had died there. The ''Halo Encyclopedia'' seemed to canonise elements of the ''Believe'' campaign, and I hope for greater clarification when the Visual Guide is released.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 04:43, 5 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
[[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] | If it was an actual battle that took place in the Human-covenant war then there should be a date or something like for when it happened. Cause theories and speculation shouldnt be acceptable on Halopedia--[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 05:30, 8 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
:The battle is considered non canon at the moment that's why there's no date and it's not speculation it's based on the advertising campaign from Halo 3. So the article is fine it ''is'' acceptable on Halopedia and '''should''' be kept. | |||
Thank you and have a good day | |||
Ow-ow [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 11:43, 8 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
In '''our''' universe, this is an advertisement campaign. In the '''Halo''' universe, this is a cover-up of all the Forerunner installations by the ONI spooks. If I'm not mistaken, this is just like Deliver Hope. Both a trailer, but also a real thing in the Halo universe. Actually, I'm a little surprised that Halopedia is just for canon subjects. I mean, its called Halopedia, not Canon Halopedia. We should include all Halo-related subjects and elements. Just saying. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 12:00, 8 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
In that case it would be good if we errr changed some of the rules then, if halopedia isnt Canon pedia. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 07:22, 9 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It's an unwritten rule when it comes to content that is not of canon nature, subjected to [[Project:Notability policy|notability]]. The very reason why we also cover multiplayer content and all other stuff. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 08:41, 9 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
Errrm no, i dont think "Halo is not a speculative forum" is an unwritten rule mate. Go look up halo's policies and find out. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 10:43, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:But I still don't understand, how is this speculation? I'm confused. Isn't this like Deliver Hope? | |||
:*Believe = Deliver Hope Trailer | |||
:*Second Battle of New Mombasa = [[Battle of Fumirole|Battle of the unidentified human colony]] | |||
:I need to be enlightened. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 10:54, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
Well with that unidentified human colony battle you mentioned, at the top it says its "conjectural" meaning not necessarily concrete proven halo facts. --[[User talk:CookieMonstersayshello|CookieMonstersayshello]] 11:08, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:No... It's the '''article name'' that's conjectural. The battle took place in the Halo universe, just like how the "Second Battle of NM" is a real thing in the Halo universe. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Contributions]])</sub> 11:17, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
::I'll amend Spartan331's comment: ''"the battle '''supposedly''' took place in the Halo universe"''. We don't know to what extent content in the Believe marketing campaign can be taken as canon; its status is similar to the situation of ILB where it is canon but at the same time not canon. | |||
::This battle did not took place due to facts established by the games. However, since this battle is a content covered in a marketing campaign, which is part of the Halo franchise, it deserves its own article, hence the notability rule. Now, as for "speculation" part, I don't see what content is speculative other than those that have been tagged as conjectural content; all other information was from the now-removed marketing campaign. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:15, 10 June 2011 (EDT) | |||